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summersm343 Mar 12, 2016 9:31 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Williard Mouse (Post 7368862)
Looks like a complete redesign.

SJPhillyBoy Mar 12, 2016 9:52 PM
Still a really nice project, but that stinks that the tallest building is shrinking.

http://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/69f0...CBNDM1.1-0.jpg

Photo showing the early Camden waterfront area with the RCA factories and Ben Franklin Bridge in front of the Philadelphia sky line.(Photo: Courier-Post file)

http://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/f92c...waterfront.JPG

A proposed development on Camden's Waterfront is expected to hold two office towers. (Photo: Volley for Robert A.M. Stern Architects)

http://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/c201...terfront-2.JPG

Photo: Robert A.M. Stern Architects and Courier-Post

SJPhillyBoy Mar 12, 2016 9:58 PM
Previous version.

The other previously shorter building is not out in the water anymore. That was cool, now it is not as cool. Not loving these changes.

http://cdn.phillymag.com/wp-content/...ts-937x625.jpg

Larry King Mar 12, 2016 10:21 PM
As long as something actually gets built there I'm happy. I figured the first renderings were a pipe dream

Nexis4Jersey Mar 12, 2016 10:24 PM
Too much parking , there needs to be more housing and commercial space...

jjv007 Mar 12, 2016 10:32 PM
Damn, of course it was scaled down.

Philly-Drew Mar 12, 2016 11:18 PM
Forget the height decrease for a moment, I still prefer the first design. But like Larry King said, if the changes allow this to get built, that will be amazing for Camden City, and Camden County.

Go Camden!!

Chubbs Peterson Mar 13, 2016 1:48 PM
I don't hate it. Still two tall glass buildings on Camden's Waterfront that will most likely be 100% leased by completion given Liberty's history, but what a tease seeing those initial renderings.

SJPhillyBoy Mar 13, 2016 2:13 PM
Based on the updated plan, there is a pier park on the pier where the curvy skyscraper was moved from . That is actually a very good use.

http://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/9de3...t-overview.JPG
Photo: Robert A.M. Stern Architects and Courier-Post

Parkway Mar 21, 2016 5:00 PM
They have been taking tons of soil samples so my guess is that the design changes are based on the results of those tests.

The DN had another piece on this development this morning. http://www.philly.com/philly/news/ne...and_shops.html

1487 Mar 21, 2016 5:35 PM
I wonder what happens first- this or Drexel's innovation neighborhood. They both sound good, but I'm skeptical until we see some buildings going up. At least camden has the benefit of huge incentives from NJ.

Flyers2001 Mar 21, 2016 6:01 PM
Philly.com Article

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/ne...and_shops.html


Quote:
And some community activists worry the development will exist separately from many of Camden's residents: a neighborhood built for a gentrified population that is isolated from the rest of the city.
Ahh, That's reality folks. Sorry, but majority of Camden is poor, sad but true. New development is going to have to be shiny and attractive. It's going to cost money to have it built and its going to cost more money to own. There is not going to be a wall, so the additional green space and paths it creates is an opportunity for surround neighborhoods to access the waterfront.

Outta here Mar 21, 2016 7:46 PM
The NEW design concept . Am I looking at a 8/10 story building that resembles a
shipping crate , that will replace a 590' tower ??
Wow , what a kick in the nuts ....... :yuck:

Flyers2001 Mar 21, 2016 8:38 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Outta here (Post 7378589)
The NEW design concept . Am I looking at a 8/10 story building that resembles a
shipping crate , that will replace a 590' tower ??
Wow , what a kick in the nuts ....... :yuck:
It looks more like 21-24 stories.

hammersklavier Mar 22, 2016 12:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Williard Mouse (Post 7368862)
http://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/c201...terfront-2.JPG

That fat new building is kind of ugly, actually. :sly:

Philly Fan Mar 22, 2016 12:44 AM
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Originally Posted by hammersklavier (Post 7378916)
That fat new building is kind of ugly, actually. :sly:
Reminds me of this:

http://www.spaceflightinsider.com/wp...ht-Insider.jpg

iheartphilly Mar 22, 2016 12:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Philly Fan (Post 7378962)
Many have more respect for the NASA bldg...the Camden short and fatty building is underwhelming to say the least.

summersm343 Mar 22, 2016 1:47 AM
Revised Camden Waterfront Master Plan Receives Approval

Quote:
The ambitious $830 million plan to transform Camden's waterfront has been approved by New Jersey's Economic Development Authority—with a number of changes.

There are, however, a few changes to the master plan since its September announcement, including a 22 percent reduction in the overall size of the site. The Courier-Post reports the following updates:

-The site plan dwindled from 37.2 acres to 26 acres.
-1.5 million sq ft of commercial retail space, up from 500,000 square feet
-211 residential units, down from 1,600 homes
-130-room hotel, down from 140 rooms
-4,000 parking spaces
-Total cost is now $830 million, down from $1 billion

The plan also calls for four phases of improvements to the waterfront park, a new ferry stop near the Ben Franklin Bridge, and two new roads.

Now that the plans have been approved, the Inquirer reports that the developers expect to break ground this fall. That's on track with their timeline from last September. According to Liberty Property Trust, they expect occupancy in late 2018 and 2019.
http://philly.curbed.com/2016/3/21/1...-plan-approved

Larry King Mar 22, 2016 1:57 AM
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Originally Posted by 1487 (Post 7378420)
I wonder what happens first- this or Drexel's innovation neighborhood. They both sound good, but I'm skeptical until we see some buildings going up. At least camden has the benefit of huge incentives from NJ.
Definitely the Camden project

summersm343 Mar 22, 2016 2:17 AM
Estimates:

Tower 1 - 420 feet - 24 floors
Tower 2 - 350 feet - 22 floors

https://scontent-ord1-1.xx.fbcdn.net...11&oe=57993ECA

https://scontent-ord1-1.xx.fbcdn.net...55&oe=5789CF82

https://scontent-ord1-1.xx.fbcdn.net...82&oe=57546AF7

https://scontent-ord1-1.xx.fbcdn.net...40&oe=575119DC

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/ne...and_shops.html


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