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chicubs111 Jul 21, 2019 6:05 PM

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Originally Posted by DePaul Bunyan (Post 8637840)
The same reasons that make Trump Tower a poor location for retail apply to a casino. Not enough foot traffic, not close enough to transit, and the area would not do well with the additional vehicular traffic. It's also way, way too small for a major casino. The typical Vegas strip casino is north of 125k SF of gaming, some have almost 200k SF.

your saying there is not enough foot traffic in that area of the loop?...I mean its not state street but its not that far off the beaten path.. Ideally if block 37 wasn't the block 37 we have now and still a blank slate they could of came up with something spectacular that could of housed a Casino, theater, and hotel and it would of just added to a more appropriate avenue like State... always missed opportunities ..smh

DePaul Bunyan Jul 21, 2019 6:56 PM

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Originally Posted by BonoboZill4 (Post 8637909)
Exactly. Those retail spaces are really skinny, so I doubt they'd be able to function for gambling purposes other than penny machines lol

Not to mention all of the windows...

DePaul Bunyan Jul 21, 2019 7:02 PM

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Originally Posted by chicubs111 (Post 8637966)
your saying there is not enough foot traffic in that area of the loop?...I mean its not state street but its not that far off the beaten path.. Ideally if block 37 wasn't the block 37 we have now and still a blank slate they could of came up with something spectacular that could of housed a Casino, theater, and hotel and it would of just added to a more appropriate avenue like State... always missed opportunities ..smh

If there was enough foot traffic in that part of the loop then the retail space wouldn't still be vacant after over a decade on the market.

The Thompson Center site is just as good as Block 37 would have been, it has perfect transit access and could accommodate a massive mixed-use supertall with other attractions (shopping, nice restaurants, possibly an observation deck, hotel/convention space, etc.). Chinatown is the only non-loop location that could work. Remember the casino needs foot traffic and volume to drive revenue, if the taxes are too high then the payouts will be less, which will keep the degenerate gamblers in Indiana and the suburbs.

chicubs111 Jul 22, 2019 12:15 AM

^ Well I think in regards to the casino its more of a "if you build it they will come" .. the foot traffic will be there if the attraction is there.. This is right in the heart of downtown where all the tourist who come to visit this city pass by at some point so where not talking about tourists having to go way out of there way to get there... I think block 37 site would of been better because its more inline to the state street theme of entertainment and shopping corridor where is the thompson center area is more straight up office/city/government space. But it can work at Thompson center as well if done right.

(just confirming were talking about the thompson center area vs block 37 area?...i reread your comment and i thought you were saying not enough foot traffic at Thompson center but your saying trump tower retail area which i didnt even think was a possible location for casino...but yes your correct that trumps space is way to small and just odd location for casino anyway)

ardecila Jul 29, 2019 3:27 PM

The city just posted a public survey for casino location... submit your comments!

https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/JQB9JXT

Baronvonellis Jul 29, 2019 4:23 PM

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Originally Posted by ardecila (Post 8644335)
The city just posted a public survey for casino location... submit your comments!

https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/JQB9JXT

Thanks, done!

IMBY Jul 29, 2019 4:32 PM

In Las Vegas, only 1 in 4 now come to Las Vegas to gamble as the gambling Baby Boom generation is dying away, and the Millennials have no interest in it, generally speaking. Will be interesting to see if this casino even makes a profit, considering.

Kenmore Jul 29, 2019 4:33 PM

this thing is going to be a disaster, isn't it?

Investing In Chicago Jul 29, 2019 4:59 PM

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Originally Posted by IMBY (Post 8644434)
In Las Vegas, only 1 in 4 now come to Las Vegas to gamble as the gambling Baby Boom generation is dying away, and the Millennials have no interest in it, generally speaking. Will be interesting to see if this casino even makes a profit, considering.

Yeah, I believe it. I've been to Vegas ~15 times and i've never spent a penny on gambling there (or in my life for that matter)...anyone who gambles, who can't afford to take the loss, is an idiot.

glowrock Jul 29, 2019 5:54 PM

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Originally Posted by ardecila (Post 8644335)
The city just posted a public survey for casino location... submit your comments!

https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/JQB9JXT

Done.

Aaron (Glowrock)

ardecila Jul 29, 2019 6:19 PM

I tried to tailor my feedback toward making sure the casino is appropriate for Chicago, and not Vegas or some random interstate exit in the suburbs. Good urban design, oriented toward walkability and transit, etc. The worst case scenario in my mind is Lumiere Place in St Louis or Sugarhouse in Philly... huge floorplates, blank walls, loading docks, and totally disrespectful of surrounding neighborhoods. Basically just another convention center. I know the casino business considers windowless rooms essential, but at the very least they should put the main floor up on Level 2 and let the ground floor be populated by restaurants, bars, and retail tenants like the Greektown Casino in Detroit.

Suggested the Motor Row and Sox Park lots locations as a good middle ground between "downtown" and "non-downtown".

bnk Jul 29, 2019 7:24 PM

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Originally Posted by ardecila (Post 8644335)
The city just posted a public survey for casino location... submit your comments!

https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/JQB9JXT

Done twice. Once at home and once at work.

Plan to do a few more

HowardL Jul 29, 2019 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by ardecila (Post 8644525)
I tried to tailor my feedback toward making sure the casino is appropriate for Chicago, and not Vegas or some random interstate exit in the suburbs. Good urban design, oriented toward walkability and transit, etc.

We basically offered the exact same input. I hope they are listening.

bnk Jul 30, 2019 12:03 AM

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Originally Posted by ardecila (Post 8644335)
The city just posted a public survey for casino location... submit your comments!

https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/JQB9JXT

I think it is letting me vote more than once from the same location, just using different zip codes.

I think I will do 50 more tonight.

glowrock Jul 30, 2019 1:15 AM

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Originally Posted by ardecila (Post 8644525)
I tried to tailor my feedback toward making sure the casino is appropriate for Chicago, and not Vegas or some random interstate exit in the suburbs. Good urban design, oriented toward walkability and transit, etc. The worst case scenario in my mind is Lumiere Place in St Louis or Sugarhouse in Philly... huge floorplates, blank walls, loading docks, and totally disrespectful of surrounding neighborhoods. Basically just another convention center. I know the casino business considers windowless rooms essential, but at the very least they should put the main floor up on Level 2 and let the ground floor be populated by restaurants, bars, and retail tenants like the Greektown Casino in Detroit.

Suggested the Motor Row and Sox Park lots locations as a good middle ground between "downtown" and "non-downtown".

Huge floorplates are basically essential for a casino, unfortunately. That being said, I very much like the idea of having the casino on the 2nd floor and leaving the ground level for shops/restaurants/etc... Makes sense to me! As for location, oddly enough I kind of wish it would be at the 78 Site. Right on the edge of The Loop, easy transit and highway access (with the modifications in the works currently), very close to Chinatown, etc... I'd still take the Reese site as a good option, though.

Aaron (Glowrock)

BonoboZill4 Jul 30, 2019 2:40 AM

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Originally Posted by bnk (Post 8644814)
I think it is letting me vote more than once from the same location, just using different zip codes.

I think I will do 50 more tonight.

Not the hero we deserve, but the hero we need :worship:

HomrQT Jul 30, 2019 4:28 AM

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Originally Posted by BonoboZill4 (Post 8637908)
Haha, be careful. A lot of people love that eyesore. The atrium is wonderful, but at the end of the day, it is simply far too inefficient and historically irrelevant for the city to let take up a city block and not earn valuable tax dollars, both on its purchase/demolition and whatever is put there in its place. It may be the Loop's last chance at another true supertall.

I doubt we'll be shaking our heads at it being removed like we do some other lost treasures, such as the old Chicago Federal Building

Count me as one of those ready to see the Thompson Center gone and a much more dense, tall building put in it's place. NO casino there.

Freefall Jul 30, 2019 7:58 AM

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Originally Posted by bnk (Post 8644814)
I think it is letting me vote more than once from the same location, just using different zip codes.

I think I will do 50 more tonight.

The Chicago Way

donnie Jul 30, 2019 10:23 AM

i say build a new pier on the south side and put the casino on thAT!

Kenmore Jul 30, 2019 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by bnk (Post 8644814)
I think I will do 50 more tonight.

weird


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