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King DenCity Jan 13, 2014 5:04 PM

^Yes it is :) jk, I think it's just a theory. But a nice one at that!

NYguy Jan 13, 2014 8:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Crawford (Post 6404326)
If this is built at 1,800+ ft. then hopefully it will push Related to build taller on the western railyards.

The only problem with that is that the tallest buildings have to be on the eastern platform, according to the site plan. But maybe Related can get around that.


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Together the two sites could allow for an 1,800-foot mega-tower nearly 2.5 million square feet in size—what would be the tallest, and one of the largest, buildings in the city. Most of that structure would have to be for commercial use under the area's zoning, either office or hotel space, but it also could contain a substantial residential component as large as 400,000 square feet.

That residential component is key for anything approaching that 1,800 ft height. As a 2.5 msf office tower, the floor plates would probably be larger. I could see 2 msf of offices getting up to supertall status at least, with 400,000 sf of residential taking the top half or so of the tower. That would give us a tapering tower, something that could be topped with a spire giving us a classic look.

We see now that residential development is king in Manhattan (and the rest of the city), Related is even looking toward the residential end to carry it's entire project.

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The companies are breaking even on current leases in the hope that the white-hot market for residential real estate in Manhattan, along with the retail component, will carry the entire project.

But for now it's all speculation. Ultimately what gets built depends on who buys the parcel or parcels. The way things are going, I don't think it will be a long time before we find out.

baseball1992 Jan 14, 2014 4:03 AM

Obviously 2000+ ft is slightly far-fetched, but what is the change that we get 1800 ft to pinnacle for this tower?

Hypothalamus Jan 14, 2014 10:58 PM

CTBUH Global News:

Hudson Yards Site Could Host Supertall
New York, United States – January 13, 2014

http://www.ctbuh.org/Portals/0/Media...dson-Spire.jpg

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Two parcels of land in Hudson Yards, if developed together, could host a supertall tower that would surpass One World Trade Center at an astounding 549 meters (1801.18 feet).

A parcel of land owned by the Rosenthal family, which stretches from West 35th to West 34th streets between 10th Avenue and the new thoroughfare Hudson Boulevard, is now on the market. Adjacent to the Rosenthal parcel is a site owned by Sherwood Equities, which may consider selling to the neighboring buyer.

Major developers are attracted to the monumental potential of the Hudson Yards site.

“Together these sites are one of the best commercial development parcels in the area,” said Ryan Nelson, senior vice president and manager of Sherwood Equities acquisitions and sales.

The zoning of the parcels supports commercial, office, hotel, and up to 37,161 square meters of residential space, for a combined total of 111,484 square meters.

chris08876 Jan 14, 2014 11:17 PM

An 1800ft'r to the roof. Now that would be ridiculous. A combination of commercial, office, and hotel in one tower would be nice.

Roadcruiser1 Jan 14, 2014 11:25 PM

Can this building reach 2,000 feet if the developers wanted it to??

Onn Jan 15, 2014 12:13 AM

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Fordham University Expands; Hudson Spire Brokerbabble

Jessica Dailey
New York Curbed
14 January 2014

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HUDSON YARDS—More details have emerged about the block-long development site near Hudson Yards that just hit the market. The gist is that whatever tower ends up rising there could be giant. By which we mean, up to 100 floors and 1,800 feet high, with 1.2 million square feet of residential, commercial/retail, and/or hotel space. Massey Knakal, which is selling the parcel, issued a release today (warning: PDF!) stating that "Hudson Spire" has an official address is 435 Tenth Avenue, facing the yet-to-be-created Hudson Boulevard, and runs from 501-507 West 34th Street to 510-528 West 35th Street. "Rarely does an opportunity become available to build a city's tallest tower, especially in New York City, which is known for its iconic buildings. The Hudson Spire could one day become the tallest building in the US, surpassing One World Trade Center," MK crows in its release. "An observation deck would be the ultimate addition."
http://ny.curbed.com/archives/2014/0...okerbabble.php

Onn Jan 15, 2014 1:27 AM

Funkysunk2, SSC

http://i.imgur.com/iASCnh7.png

King DenCity Jan 15, 2014 2:43 AM

^sweet!

chris08876 Jan 15, 2014 9:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Onn (Post 6406766)

Would a spire still be subjected to the FAA 2000 ft limit or 600m limit? Or does it only apply to roof; like with the old proposal called the Chicago Spire?

NYguy Jan 15, 2014 1:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Onn (Post 6406671)


It's being marketed as an exciting project, the tallest in New York City. I think interested parties would be looking to pursue that. Sherwood has said they would consider selling their portion of the site as well, but they could also stay on to this joint project. I'm really interested to see where this goes.



http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/154140520/original.jpg
http://www.masseyknakal.com/pressrel...4216605843.pdf

http://newyork.citybizlist.com/artic...-massey-knakal

manchester united Jan 15, 2014 11:46 PM

To change the title : 1800 foot and over 100 floors !!!

NYguy Jan 16, 2014 12:17 AM

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Originally Posted by manchester united (Post 6408361)
To change the title : 1800 foot and over 100 floors !!!

We don't know how tall this building will be. It will rise above 1,000 ft, but beyond that, we don't really know anything.

supertallchaser Jan 16, 2014 12:46 AM

well their marketing strategy seems to catch the eye haha

NYguy Jan 16, 2014 12:53 AM

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Originally Posted by supertallchaser (Post 6408456)
well their marketing strategy seems to catch the eye haha

They're going for the bold investors, someone who wants to make a splash in Manhattan, and the net is cast worldwide.

supertallchaser Jan 16, 2014 1:25 AM

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Originally Posted by NYguy (Post 6408468)
They're going for the bold investors, someone who wants to make a splash in Manhattan, and the net is cast worldwide.

only time will tell,but whoever it may be it will be a signature tower in the heart of the yards ill give it that :cheers:

NYguy Jan 16, 2014 1:28 AM

Lets add some more fuel to the fire...


http://commercialobserver.com/2014/0...-hudson-yards/

The City’s Tallest Building, at Hudson Yards?


http://nyocommercialobserver.files.w...pg?w=371&h=252


By Al Barbarino
1/15/14


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The real estate industry sat wide-eyed in anticipation of the ruling by the Council on Tall Buildings and Urban Habitat in November that officially named One World Trade Center the tallest building in the Western Hemisphere, beating out Chicago’s Willis Tower.

But in the not too distant future the gleaming new tower could have competition in its own backyard – Hudson Yards, that is – as Massey Knakal is exclusively marketing the sale of a development site that it believes could spawn what the firm has dubbed “The Hudson Spire,” an 1,800 foot super-skyscraper.

“The interest has been overwhelming,” Bob Knakal, the firm’s chairman, said. “We’ve had more confidentiality agreements in two days than I can ever remember.”

The Rosenthal real estate family recently hired Mr. Knakal and colleague James Nelson to market a parcel at 435 Tenth Avenue, which runs block-through from 501-507 West 34th Street to 510-528 West 35th Street.

In turn Mr. Knakal’s firm hired MJM+A Architects PLLC to assess the parcel, determining that the 37,026 square foot site could yield a 100-story, 1,800-foot-tall tower that would propel New York City out of the Western Hemisphere and into the global discussion among the “supertall,” with an accompanying rendering depicting a building that utterly dominates the Western skyline. In a prepared statement the architecture firm’s founder Michael Macaluso called the site “a commission an architect dreams of.”

But is the Hudson Spire in fact just a pipe dream, or is it in the pipeline? Mr. Knakal said all he needs is a developer looking to cash in on the excitement if not near hysteria that’s emanating from the west side.

“It could be a major New York developer already in Hudson Yards, or someone who wants to be there,” he said, “Or a foreign buyer who wants to build the tallest building in New York… who wants to make a real splash with the building.”


It certainly wouldn’t come cheap. While Mr. Knakal declined to comment on the price tag for the site, industry sources said they wouldn’t be surprised if it yields $250 million or more.

The site could encompass retail, office/hotel, and residential, which including all rights could yield over 1.2 million square feet of construction, which Mr. Knakal noted would be the largest single development site his firm has ever handled, while Mr. Nelson said its centerpiece would include an observation deck as the “ultimate addition.”

A building of the envisioned proportions would not only give the prospective developer bragging rights, but also a lucrative role at the center of Hudson Yards, being touted as the latest, greatest, newest and most exciting neighborhood in the city, which will draw off the success of the The High Line, with preliminary figures predicting 24 million visitors each year once the neighborhood is in business.

It would be the third tallest in the world, far surpassing the CTBUH’s definition for “supertall” buildings, which must stand taller than 984 feet. But the “megatall” are those taller than 1,968 feet, a distinction currently reserved for just two structures: Mecca’s Makkah Royal Clock Tower, which just tops that figure at 1,972 feet, and the Burj Khalifa in Dubai, a stunning monstrosity that rises 2,717 feet.
Of course, there are taller towers in the works, but that hardly matters. It would be great to get this tower built.

Perklol Jan 16, 2014 1:33 AM

So there has been a lot of interest in these past couple of days? :titanic:

So soon. This is very surprising ..

NYguy Jan 16, 2014 1:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Eveningsong (Post 6408542)
So there has been a lot of interest in these past couple of days? :titanic:

So soon. This is very surprising ..

Not really, when you think about it. The Hudson Yards has been hot for a long time, and as we have seen, as soon as a site becomes available there, its snatched up. A site this prime in Hudson Yards with these possibilities will be even more attractive, and as stated, not just in New York. It's rare that a site like this becomes available (in Manhattan, you usually have to assemble lots to get something worth building on). They will probably still need to consolidate with Sherwood, but I don't think it will be a long time before someone gets this.

Perklol Jan 16, 2014 1:43 AM

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Originally Posted by NYguy (Post 6408552)
Not really, when you think about it. The Hudson Yards has been hot for a long time, and as we have seen, as soon as a site becomes available there, its snatched up. A site this prime in Hudson Yards with these possibilities will be even more attractive, and as stated, not just in New York. It's rare that a site like this becomes available (in Manhattan, you usually have to assemble lots to get something worth building on). They will probably still need to consolidate with Sherwood, but I don't think it will be a long time before someone gets this.

So true. I did not realize that lots take a while to assemble and the subway is making the area even more attractive + high line park.


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