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japmes May 3, 2016 2:03 PM

It mostly looks like the same design to me but with less glitzy lighting and gloss in the rendering. This is probably closer to reality than the first render.

thisisforreal May 3, 2016 2:04 PM

https://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7117/2...5b599797_b.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/D17pep2.png

iheartphilly May 3, 2016 2:28 PM

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Originally Posted by thisisforreal (Post 7429023)

Geez, both the design and color scheme make it look dated already. Someone needs to wake at the wheel and junk this altogether and start from scratch.:shrug:

Londonee May 3, 2016 3:08 PM

Wow, is this Norman Foster's design still?

All other developers have to go through some sort of a design review process whether it's with neighborhood groups or local residents or the CDR - why is Penn immune from that process? These are massive projects with massive budgets that really should be pushed and critically rethought a bit.

I mean, whoever the architect of this thing is should really sit in front of a room and answer some questions about the design.

Londonee May 3, 2016 3:14 PM

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Originally Posted by iheartphilly (Post 7429075)
Geez, both the design and color scheme make it look dated already. Someone needs to wake at the wheel and junk this altogether and start from scratch.:shrug:

Yeah it kind of looks like the Metro Club Condos - which was built 30 or so years ago:

http://phillyshomes.com/wp-content/u...1.07.28-AM.png
Image from Phillyshomes.com

1487 May 3, 2016 7:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Londonee (Post 7429148)
Wow, is this Norman Foster's design still?

All other developers have to go through some sort of a design review process whether it's with neighborhood groups or local residents or the CDR - why is Penn immune from that process? These are massive projects with massive budgets that really should be pushed and critically rethought a bit.

I mean, whoever the architect of this thing is should really sit in front of a room and answer some questions about the design.

This building will have to undergo CDR because of its size. It has nothing to do with who owns the building. If the City builds a structure and it checks the necessary boxes it would need CDR. Penn doesn't really care about Philadelphia as far as I can tell so its no surprise their architecture reflects that. Penn is in a bubble and its buildings are not made to interact with their surroundings.

Human Scale May 3, 2016 10:54 PM

The person in charge of this design downgrade is Kevin Mahoney, EVP & Chief Administrative Officer, Mahoneyk@uphs.upenn.edu

If you would like to voice your opinion do so in a civil way.

SJPhillyBoy May 4, 2016 12:47 AM

Its almost like Penn likes/envies the beautiful new curvy CHOP building down the street and is making their own curvy building to copy it except that the Penn version looks horrible and is not well done.

Isn't the last Frankenstein building they built abomination enough.

ajaxean May 4, 2016 1:49 AM


Knight Hospitaller May 4, 2016 1:54 AM

^^ You said it. They probably could've saved a lot of money by retrofitting it.

ajaxean May 4, 2016 2:01 AM


3rd&Brown May 4, 2016 2:06 AM

This is the most disappointing project of significance in recent modern history in this city.

There are no words.

It's as if Penn is trying to create a campus the likes of which Drexel has been demolishing for the past 30 years.

Do these administrators ever learn?

allovertown May 4, 2016 2:42 AM

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Originally Posted by ajaxean (Post 7430099)
Penn's campus looks worse than some community colleges. They won't be satisfied until it looks worse than ALL community colleges.

:rolleyes: A little dramatic no? The Furness Library is one of my favorite buildings in the world. I can't think of a community college with even a single building of serous architectural merit. Penn has like a dozen.

That said, this particular building is dissapointing. And the lack of recent cohesive vision has certainly been to the detriment of the campus. ... still a long way from a community college campus though.

hammersklavier May 4, 2016 3:25 AM

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Originally Posted by allovertown (Post 7430131)
:rolleyes: A little dramatic no? The Furness Library is one of my favorite buildings in the world. I can't think of a community college with even a single building of serous architectural merit. Penn has like a dozen.

That said, this particular building is dissapointing. And the lack of recent cohesive vision has certainly been to the detriment of the campus. ... still a long way from a community college campus though.

It's like Penn is floating on generational cohesion -- Penn is actually considered one of the country's most beautiful campuses, and that is in no small part due to Blanche P. Levy Park. Much of its cohesiveness comes from its abundance of prewar architecture and (unusually) well-done postwar landscape design w/r/t Locust Walk.

Drexel -- which was the country's ugliest campus -- is trying to brand itself with architectural cohesion, while Temple has drawn up and is starting to put into practice a cohesive landscape design. It's like the other schools are waking up to how well the Penn campus works as a branding mechanism ... while Penn itself is just snoozing at the wheel.

I wonder if some of this is due to its current administration. Buildings from the Fry era are much more cohesive, especially with his vision of how the campus and city ought to interact. I might be the only one who feels this way, but I think Penn needs some new blood on its BOR.

ajaxean May 4, 2016 3:57 AM


jjv007 May 4, 2016 4:26 AM

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Originally Posted by 3rd&Brown (Post 7430103)
This is the most disappointing project of significance in recent modern history in this city.

1919 Market says hi. ;)

allovertown May 4, 2016 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by ajaxean (Post 7430210)
You should get out more then: Bronx Community College (yes, the Bronx) with their extremely impressive (imo) BRAND NEW library. Heck, even Girard College in North Philly, a goddamn high school, has a more beautiful campus then Penn.



I just don't think this claim has any basis in reality. Penn's campus is grossly inferior compared to tons of other prominent American universities: UVA, Duke, UChicago, Yale, UMichigan, Berkley, Princeton, Boston College, Columbia, Harvard, William and Mary, Stanford, WashU, University of Washington, UCLA, Notre Dame, MIT, Rice, and I could go on and on and on. Frankly, I can hardly think of any prominent national university with a discernibly worse campus than Penn's, except maybe NYU given that they don't really have a campus at all.

Two or three weeks ago, a friend visited Penn on a college tour with her younger sibling. Penn was her first stop, and she said she thought it looked really nice. Then she went to other major East Coast colleges and said she was blown away by how amazing they looked and realized that Penn's campus was actually surprisingly underwhelming compared to the competition. Sure, Penn is nice compared to like suburbs or shopping malls. It's not that nice when compared to major historic universities.

That library is supposed to be impressive? Looks pretty dull to me. I still prefer the Furness Library thank you very much.

Due to my job I've actually been to college campuses all across America and Penn is truly one of my favorites. I'm blown away that you think it's so terrible. You're free to your opinion but you're certainly in the minority as Penn's campus often shows up on lists of America's most beautiful campuses. Not that an Internet listicle is any type of authority, but it simply goes to show many think the campus looks nice.

I agree with hammersklavier though that they're mostly coasting on the work of previous generations. Even architecturally ambitious recent buildings like the nanotechnology building don't do an excellent job contributing to cohesive campus feel.

1487 May 4, 2016 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by jjv007 (Post 7430240)
1919 Market says hi. ;)

no this is worse. College buildings tend to be totally cut off from street level activity. Granted a hospital is a little harder to connect to the surrounding area in terms of street level activity, but it can be done. Or it can be done better than Penn is proposing to do it. This is the same place that wanted to build a wall around it's campus in the 60s and 70s. They are not a good corporate citizen, they talk about how many jobs they offer in the city and that's the extent of their involvement with the city and it's citizens.

Frontst17 May 4, 2016 2:22 PM

Ugh... Im embarrassed that a Mahoney is involved in this... changing my name, this is horrifically bland and uninspiring. You cant just round off a few edges and call it a day. Yes it's a hospital and what goes on inside is what matters but damn... Just seems lazy to me.

techchallenger May 4, 2016 3:26 PM

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Originally Posted by ajaxean (Post 7430210)
Penn's campus is grossly inferior compared to tons of other prominent American universities: UVA, Duke, UChicago, Yale, UMichigan, Berkley, Princeton, Boston College, Columbia, Harvard, William and Mary, Stanford, WashU, University of Washington, UCLA, Notre Dame, MIT, Rice, and I could go on and on and on. Frankly, I can hardly think of any prominent national university with a discernibly worse campus than Penn's, except maybe NYU given that they don't really have a campus at all.

Thanks for a laugh.


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