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belmont bob Feb 26, 2013 10:09 PM

Logan Street School
 
Since we’ve been looking at schools I’d like to throw out a challenge. Logan Street School located on Montana Street in the Echo Park area goes back to the early part of the twentieth century when a big old wood barn of a classroom building was built. That building was still in use when I attended the school from 1946 to 1953. Well almost in use. Because it was made of wood and had no fire escapes the second floor was no longer used for classes. The first floor cafeteria and kindergarten and the basement music room were all that was in use. The most resent aerial images show that it was still there in 1971, but by 1980 it was replaced by the current main school building.
So what am I looking for? ANY pictures of that old building!

belmont bob Feb 26, 2013 10:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tovangar2 (Post 6030304)
A (tenuous) excuse to post a pic of the University High School Auditorium Building:
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-I...713%2520PM.jpg
http://livingnewdeal.berkeley.edu/pr...os-angeles-ca/

"The school’s architectural style is very distinctive, recalling Spain’s Alhambra or the Romanesque of Northern Italy" and was meant to match that of UCLA.
The Auditorium, with its gorgeous interior was the pride of the school and the neighborhood.

It was torn down after the Sylmar quake, although many remain convinced that it was staff's desire for a new Boys' Gym on this site that caused it to be condemned. (Other "condemned" buildings are still in use.)

I know how it is, because Belmont HS and it's beautiful champus was torn down about 1965 and replaced by a factory...but alas if it hadn't been torn down the tower would have fallen down during the Sylmar quake. :(

rbpjr Feb 26, 2013 10:17 PM

[QUOTE=tovangar2;6030304]A (tenuous) excuse to post a pic of the University High School Auditorium Building:
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-I...713%2520PM.jpg
http://livingnewdeal.berkeley.edu/pr...os-angeles-ca/

"The school’s architectural style is very distinctive, recalling Spain’s Alhambra or the Romanesque of Northern Italy" and was meant to match that of UCLA.
The Auditorium, with its gorgeous interior was the pride of the school and the neighborhood.

I attended John C. Fremont High in the late forties, early fifties and the beautiful auditorium (again of Spanish-Italian design) is all that it left of the original school...

tovangar2 Feb 26, 2013 10:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by belmont bob (Post 6030316)
I know how it is, because Belmont HS and it's beautiful campus was torn down about 1965 and replaced by a factory...but alas if it hadn't been torn down the tower would have fallen down during the Sylmar quake. :(

We don't know that. The LAHS tower didn't fall but it was torn down (with great difficulty) anyway.

BHS (1923) on Crown Hill, former site of the Belmont Hotel:
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-V...949%2520PM.jpg
belmonths.org

Belmont HS seen from the Los Angeles Oil Field:
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-Q...449%2520PM.jpg
panoramino

Belmont Hotel and Resort, future site of Belmont HS. It burned in 1887. Next the private Belmont School for girls occupied the site. It too burned. Oil wells took over until Belmont High was built:
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-c...629%2520PM.jpg
lapl http://www.lafire.com/famous_fires/1...tHotelFire.htm

BHS maxed out at 6,342 students, the largest HS in the US before being relieved by 19 "learning communities" on 4 separate campuses, starting in 2006.

Mort Sahl, Richard Crenna, Anthony Quinn and Jack Webb attended BHS (see the BHS wiki page).



I remember "no one" believed the Bible Institute Building (1918) at 6th and Hope was torn down after the '87 Whittier Narrows quake because of damage, but only to get rid of its famous, huge, red neon "Jesus Saves" signs which many execs in the surrounding corporate towers found unbearably hokey and embarrassing. I dunno. Too many lies, backroom deals and corruption makes everyone suspicious of everything.

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-H...224%2520PM.jpg
http://www.tirajphotography.com

MichaelRyerson Feb 26, 2013 10:50 PM

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8387/8...e987619c_o.jpg
Logan Street School

Date unknown

LAPL

belmont bob Feb 26, 2013 11:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MichaelRyerson (Post 6030388)

Michael, for some reason all I'm getting on this photo is the little white square with the red X.

MichaelRyerson Feb 26, 2013 11:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by belmont bob (Post 6030438)
Michael, for some reason all I'm getting on this photo is the little white square with the red X.

Happens to me sometimes, refresh and reload. It's a hosted image, it isn't hot-linked, so it's good.

Unfortunately, it doesn't include the elusive wood building. I have an email out to the principal/staff of Logan Street School to see if maybe an image of the earlier building exists in their school library or archive. If so maybe I can sweet talk them into scanning it for us.

kznyc2k Feb 27, 2013 1:08 AM

More Arnold Hylen over at California State Library, all dating from the early 1950s. I'm sure there's a few reposts but please excuse them.

http://imageshack.us/a/img145/4342/l...0civictemp.jpg

http://imageshack.us/a/img266/1047/l...1dt7thkips.jpg

http://imageshack.us/a/img855/3521/l...0dt7thfigs.jpg

http://imageshack.us/a/img89/1706/lo...0dtwilshir.jpg

http://imageshack.us/a/img171/3662/l...1civicchte.jpg

http://imageshack.us/a/img194/7783/l...0sbunkerho.jpg

http://imageshack.us/a/img827/8341/l...1unionplaz.jpg

belmont bob Feb 27, 2013 2:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tovangar2 (Post 6030366)
We don't know that. The LAHS tower didn't fall but it was torn down (with great difficulty) anyway.

BHS (1923) on Crown Hill, former site of the Belmont Hotel:
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-V...949%2520PM.jpg
belmonths.org

Belmont HS seen from the Los Angeles Oil Field:
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-Q...449%2520PM.jpg
panoramino

Belmont Hotel and Resort, future site of Belmont HS. It burned in 1887. Next the private Belmont School for girls occupied the site. It too burned. Oil wells took over until Belmont High was built:
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-c...629%2520PM.jpg
lapl http://www.lafire.com/famous_fires/1...tHotelFire.htm

BHS maxed out at 6,342 students, the largest HS in the US before being relieved by 19 "learning communities" on 4 separate campuses, starting in 2006.

Mort Sahl, Richard Crenna, Anthony Quinn and Jack Webb attended BHS (see the BHS wiki page).



I remember "no one" believed the Bible Institute Building (1918) at 6th and Hope was torn down after the '87 Whittier Narrows quake because of damage, but only to get rid of its famous, huge, red neon "Jesus Saves" signs which many execs in the surrounding corporate towers found unbearably hokey and embarrassing. I dunno. Too many lies, backroom deals and corruption makes everyone suspicious of everything.

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-H...224%2520PM.jpg
http://www.tirajphotography.com

In the color Belmont photo it’s hard to see, but there are some steel bands holding the near corner at the tower top together. When I came home from a little stint in South East Asia, my dad and I went to visit the new campus after the rebuilding and talked to the principal. He said the original rebuilding plans were to keep the tower; however once they started work the mortar holding the bricks was so bad it just started crumbling like sand so they had no choice but to demo it. A good strong EQ may very well have brought it down. What is also not apparent in this photo is the building off behind the flag pole is not brick; but stucco and painted a pinkish color. This work was started in my senior year (1959) and they stripped all the brick off and rebuilt it. That building and the auditorium which suffered the same indignities are still standing. The rest of the buildings including the gym and two wings are gone.

The brick pattern and color was created specifically for this school by the Los Angeles Pressed Brick Companies Belmont Rug No. 52 face brick. http://calbricks.netfirms.com/brick.lapbcobm.html

belmont bob Feb 27, 2013 2:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MichaelRyerson (Post 6030486)
Happens to me sometimes, refresh and reload. It's a hosted image, it isn't hot-linked, so it's good.

Unfortunately, it doesn't include the elusive wood building. I have an email out to the principal/staff of Logan Street School to see if maybe an image of the earlier building exists in their school library or archive. If so maybe I can sweet talk them into scanning it for us.

Michael, if you can secure that I'd name my first born after you...oh yeah, my first born was a girl and she's 42..okay, forget that... The building in the photo was the main classroom building during my years there. It housed first thru sixth grade and the office and it is still part of the exisitng school. I can still see in my minds eye that big old barn though even though I haven't seen it since 1953. And I suppose I could have emailed the school if I had thought about it…maybe if I stick around here I might learn a thing or two!!

Just thinking..if the school staff does come up with something and they need a little inducement I’m not opposed to making a contribution to my “alma mater” so you could pass that on if you hear from them.

tovangar2 Feb 27, 2013 3:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by belmont bob (Post 6030684)
He said the original rebuilding plans were to keep the tower; however once they started work the mortar holding the bricks was so bad it just started crumbling like sand so they had no choice but to demo it.

I dunno b b, but living in London for years (with plenty of stays on the Continent), I've seen the repointing of brick buildings any number of times. If brick buildings only lasted 40 years because the mortar had turned to sand (I've seen it, it runs/pours out), what would be the point of building in brick? Repointing is SOP in Europe. A lot of companies specialize in it, so prices are competitive. My in-laws had their home done. The previous owners had let it go and the bricks were starting to settle together, but the repointing crew didn't seem to have any trouble saving the house. It's just part of maintenance. Older buildings get repointed multiple times over a few hundred years. And in the UK there's the added problem of rising damp, which plays havoc with the mortar.

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-u...221%2520PM.jpg
http://www.ultimatehandyman.co.uk

I'm not an engineer like you. Can you explain to me why buildings are tossed out here when the mortar goes? What about the 100-year-old buildings on Spring Street? How are they holding together? There's obviously something I'm not understanding. Thx

And thx for the brick link :-)

unihikid Feb 27, 2013 4:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tovangar2 (Post 6030304)
A (tenuous) excuse to post a pic of the University High School Auditorium Building:
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-I...713%2520PM.jpg
http://livingnewdeal.berkeley.edu/pr...os-angeles-ca/

"The school’s architectural style is very distinctive, recalling Spain’s Alhambra or the Romanesque of Northern Italy" and was meant to match that of UCLA.
The Auditorium, with its gorgeous interior was the pride of the school and the neighborhood. Altogether a very gracious and welcoming building.

It was torn down after the Sylmar quake, although many remain convinced that it was staff's desire for a new Boys' Gym on this site that caused it to be condemned. (Other "condemned" buildings are still in use.)

UniHiKid has previously posted on the UHS Auditorium.

Tovangar that is such a great pic,you can see the gym and everything!Before he retired i talked with my band teacher John Magruder who started teaching at uni in 63,he said there was nothing at all wrong with the building except the west stairs broke away from the building(an easy fix),the major problem was the cafeteria near the main building which gave them an excuse to do demo,he also said a PTA president wanted her name on a building...Stivelman..that's the name of the aud/cafe/art building.The company that demolished it went out of business because it took so long to tare down. There is also a fault under that area of the campus.

tovangar2 Feb 27, 2013 4:54 AM

Speaking of that part of town, does anyone remember the historic one-room school house that was sited at LAUSD's HQ on what's left of Ft Moore Hill, now the site of the Cortines School of Visual and Performing Arts, one of the "relief" schools for Belmont HS?

Is this it?:
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-v...339%2520PM.jpg

http://journal.lausd.net/photo-galle...nter-expansion

FredH Feb 27, 2013 4:58 AM

I think we have seen these both before, but not together.

1885
http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/7228/1885a.jpg
windandpower.org

1899
http://img822.imageshack.us/img822/332/1899t.jpg
shorpy.com

tovangar2 Feb 27, 2013 5:10 AM

University High School
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by unihikid (Post 6030828)
Tovangar that is such a great pic,you can see the gym and everything!Before he retired i talked with my band teacher John Magruder who started teaching at uni in 63,he said there was nothing at all wrong with the building except the west stairs broke away from the building(an easy fix),the major problem was the cafeteria near the main building which gave them an excuse to do demo,he also said a PTA president wanted her name on a building...Stivelman..that's the name of the aud/cafe/art building.The company that demolished it went out of business because it took so long to tare down. There is also a fault under that area of the campus.

Tearing down the Auditorium was a crime. If you want to get a reaction out of almost anyone at Uni, just mention the old Aud. People are still so mad.

The interior was lovely with hand-stenciled, wood ceiling beams. Amazing acoustics. The street frontage was so welcoming to the neighborhood and larger city. We had a great, really outstanding, theater program under Jack Mitchell when my four kids were there but the replacement, Stivelman Theater, was so cheaply and badly built and the heating/cooling system would roar into high-gear at the most inopportune moments and drown out the performance. The whole mess was a scandal. No wonder the kids feel cheated and resentful as stuff like this happens regularly.

Now the supposed fault is the excuse to tear down the "new" Boys' Gym and build another. It's exhausting.

belmont bob Feb 27, 2013 5:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tovangar2 (Post 6030767)
I dunno b b, but living in London for years (with plenty of stays on the Continent), I've seen the repointing of brick buildings any number of times. If brick buildings only lasted 40 years because the mortar had turned to sand (I've seen it, it runs/pours out), what would be the point of building in brick? Repointing is SOP in Europe. A lot of companies specialize in it, so prices are competitive. My in-laws had their home done. The previous owners had let it go and the bricks were starting to settle together, but the repointing crew didn't seem to have any trouble saving the house. It's just part of maintenance. Older buildings get repointed multiple times over a few hundred years. And in the UK there's the added problem of rising damp, which plays havoc with the mortar.

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-u...221%2520PM.jpg
http://www.ultimatehandyman.co.uk

I'm not an engineer like you. Can you explain to me why buildings are tossed out here when the mortar goes? What about the 100-year-old buildings on Spring Street? How are they holding together? There's obviously something I'm not understanding. Thx

And thx for the brick link :-)

Keep in mind we’re talking about LAUSD….if the only reason they entertained the thought of keeping the tower was probably pressure from the public, especially alumni (it’s the same pressure that in the early 50’s got Polytechnic closed not Belmont). Anyway it was no secret that the mortar was bad, particularly in the tower. It’s my belief that the plan was to remove the “Campanile” no matter what, and the bad mortar was the excuse needed. The alternative was not only to repoint the joints, but also boost the structural integrity (remember the bracing on the corner of the open top). And of course all we got out of the principal in 1968 was his version of the reasons for taking it down. Did he know the whole reason…maybe…..maybe not. Let’s face it, there was little if any effort to save some of the beautiful old school buildings, LAHS is the best example. Much easier to replace them with a factory.

tovangar2 Feb 27, 2013 5:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FredH (Post 6030889)

Wow, those are some seriously well-built retaining walls. No Gunite/shotcrete.

Sarah Bixby Smith's third LA home (partly hidden by trees) is directly across from the Bradbury Mansion in the view above. She wrote that her second LA house was left standing at the top of the precipice left when 1st street was cut through from Hill to Olive in this same neighborhood. It was still there in '28. Does anyone have a pic of it?

unihikid Feb 27, 2013 6:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tovangar2 (Post 6030899)
Tearing down the Auditorium was a crime. If you want to get a reaction out of almost anyone at Uni, just mention the old Aud. People are still so mad.

The interior was lovely with hand-stenciled, wood ceiling beams. Amazing acoustics. The street frontage was so welcoming to the neighborhood and larger city. We had a great, really outstanding, theater program under Jack Mitchell when my four kids were there but the replacement, Stivelman Theater, was so cheaply and badly built and the heating/cooling system would roar into high-gear at the most inopportune moments and drown out the performance. The whole mess was a scandal. No wonder the kids feel cheated and resentful as stuff like this happens regularly.

Now the supposed fault is the excuse to tear down the "new" Boys' Gym and build another. It's exhausting.

Tovangar, Mitchell was my drama teacher! we are doing a drama reunion performance of RENT in June,did your kids go to uni between 97 and 01? I've only seen a few pictures of the interior but i wish some color pictures were available. And i fully agree with Stivelman,its small,ugly and not a great place for a school that has 2000+ students.

tovangar2 Feb 27, 2013 6:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by belmont bob (Post 6030910)
Let’s face it, there was little if any effort to save some of the beautiful old school buildings, LAHS is the best example. Much easier to replace them with a factory.

"Easier"? Follow the money. Who benefits? Demo, regrading, construction, fittings, furniture even re-landscaping. The bigger the project the more can be stolen. The more public financing involved, the greater the transference of wealth. There's plenty of money to be made, kickbacks to be paid and cost overruns to be excused. Our kids end up in crappy buildings instead of beautiful, gracious ones, with a huge cost in quality of life, building resentment.

Kids know what's going on, even if they don't know the details. They're learning all the time, even when we don't want them to. The environments adults create for them equals what we think of them.

A currently we're graduating less than half of our students. An efficient way to destroy a city.

"Behind every great fortune lies a great crime." (or a series of them)
-Honore de Balzac

OK, sorry, I'm soap-boxing again. LAUSD is just a huge sore spot with me. I need a couple of 65 cent Scarlet O'Haras (and an afternoon in Ferguson Alley).



Quote:

Originally Posted by kznyc2k (Post 6030581)
More Arnold Hylen

http://imageshack.us/a/img194/7783/l...0sbunkerho.jpg
california state library

GREAT pics kz! Do you have a location for the one above?



Quote:

Originally Posted by unihikid (Post 6030944)
Tovangar, Mitchell was my drama teacher! we are doing a drama reunion performance of RENT in June,did your kids go to uni between 97 and 01? I've only seen a few pictures of the interior but i wish some color pictures were available. And i fully agree with Stivelman,its small,ugly and not a great place for a school that has 2000+ students.

1997-2006 I think. (brain's going...I'm old enough to be my kids' grandparent). The last one would have graduated in 2008, but she graduated two years early. The first boy only went freshman year, then left for Queen of Angels and graduated early a year later. Middle two boys graduated two years early but stayed the whole four years for the theater program, graduating again in '03 and '06 (the latter year the same the youngest left). No wonder I'm confused.

There were 2600+ students at Uni. I can't find a current total on the Uni web site.

Graybeard Feb 27, 2013 12:13 PM

http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/246...ersityhigh.jpg
University High School - 1925
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