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fhammon Aug 3, 2012 8:17 PM

Thanks for indulging me, Scott.
I'm going to guess that this expertly drawn scene with added embellishments, was originally based on this vue card photo that you posted.

http://i699.photobucket.com/albums/v...00013999-1.jpg
Los Angeles Public Library Photo Collection
http://losangelespast.blogspot.com/2...ker-block.html

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Originally Posted by Los Angeles Past (Post 5787290)


Illithid Dude Aug 3, 2012 10:42 PM

I was wondering about something the other day, and I figure that Noirish L.A. is probably the best place to ask my question. Does anyone on here know of or have any pictures of any buildings that were cancelled due to the Great Depression? Thanks.

rick m Aug 4, 2012 2:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Illithid Dude (Post 5787647)
I was wondering about something the other day, and I figure that Noirish L.A. is probably the best place to ask my question. Does anyone on here know of or have any pictures of any buildings that were cancelled due to the Great Depression? Thanks.

Well into my deep reading of anything in L A Times archives relating to Bunker Hill there were at least five major hotels that were never built- Specifically : one adjoining Court Flight - another at top of stairs at west portal of 3rd street tunnel - also a big one planned for 2nd and Hill beside that tunnel's east end and I believe another along 2nd @ Grand- s/e corner lot-Possibly one was in the works near Temple and Grand as well-- All told these were the remaining unbuilt properties up til the Depression hit- Artwork was featured for most of these plans-- I did not retain copies as these would simply have been not parts of the puzzle I was intent on piecing together

Lwize Aug 4, 2012 6:22 PM

I just joined this forum to, first, say thank you to the contributors to the Noirish Los Angeles thread. I'm only about 1/6 of the way through (so many pictures, so little time!) and many questions about old "Lost" Angeles have been answered.

This thread even solved a great mystery that I never could figure out -- just exactly why the old Hall of Records was positioned on an odd angle to the rest of the Civic Center (old street alignment -- I never knew!).

One of my favorite old LA restaurants is of course Philippe's. I knew the restaurant had moved to it's present location on Ord Street due to the freeway expansion in the 40's/50's.
According to Wikipedia, there were a number of locations before the move to Ord:

300 N. Alameda (Philippe's 1908)
156 N. Spring (New Poodle Dog French restaurant 1911)
617 N. Alameda (1913)
246 Aliso St. (1918)
364 Aliso St. (1925)

The article also referred to this area as the "Frenchtown Neighborhood", which was razed for City Hall and freeway expansion.
Since I've only gone about 1/6 of the way through this thread, did any of you uncover pictures containing the early Philippe's locations and/or Frenchtown?
If not, can any pictures be unearthed? I've always wondered about the first Philippe's.

TIA. :)

MichaelRyerson Aug 4, 2012 11:53 PM

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7135/7...59375629_o.jpg
Weston Studio, Tropico, ca_ 1920, (In Focus), 140)_

Edward Weston Studio, Brand Blvd. (nw corner w/Los Feliz), Tropico (Glendale), ca. 1920. J. Paul Getty Museum, Collection Center for Creative Photography. Arizona Board of Regents.

ethereal_reality Aug 5, 2012 3:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Chuckaluck (Post 5787204)

You're absolutely correct Chuckaluck!! I am amazed you were able to locate this apartment building from my original b/w snap. :)

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ethereal_reality Aug 5, 2012 4:20 AM

Here is an excellent photograph of Charlie Chaplin and friends in downtown Los Angeles.

http://imageshack.us/a/img607/1838/a...w6thstreet.jpg
found on ebay



below: The photographer was located on west 6th Street.

http://imageshack.us/a/img831/3581/a...6thstreet1.jpg
ebay


Can anyone pinpoint the exact location of this photograph? I've googled 'grand hotel' so many times I want to cry.

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Los Angeles Past Aug 5, 2012 8:44 AM

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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 5788656)
Here is an excellent photograph of Charlie Chaplin and friends in downtown Los Angeles.

http://imageshack.us/a/img607/1838/a...w6thstreet.jpg
found on ebay

Can anyone pinpoint the exact location of this photograph? I've googled 'grand hotel' so many times I want to cry.


The steep slope evident in that photo (plus the name of the hotel) makes me think that might be Grand north from 5th, but that's purely a guess.

-S

MichaelRyerson Aug 5, 2012 12:42 PM

Our town
 
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7111/7...21f7dcdc_o.jpg
Los_Angeles___36_000_ft_above_by_perry314181

photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=605428


http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8432/7...ba5634f3_o.jpg
Metropolis_by_perry314181

photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=605428

Fab Fifties Fan Aug 5, 2012 3:52 PM

Fifty years gone (August 5, 1962), but a legend forever....

http://imageshack.us/a/img834/7871/marilynr.jpg
Look Magazine

~Jon Paul

BifRayRock Aug 5, 2012 4:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 5788656)
Here is an excellent photograph of Charlie Chaplin and friends in downtown Los Angeles.
below: The photographer was located on west 6th Street.

Can anyone pinpoint the exact location of this photograph? I've googled 'grand hotel' so many times I want to cry.___

I do not recognize the "Grand Hotel" signage (or at least that's what I think it says). Nor do I recognize the makeup of the street. (Are those bricks or poured concrete with a brick design?) It may be the camera angle and lens, but the street seems rather narrow for one of downtown's big thoroughfares. The costumes of the crowd, the marble fascia and the overhead sign "BAR" are clues that could even suggest another locale . . . . And, since the Biltmore wasn't completed until 1922, it is probably not a worthy candidate.

That being said, . . . there was a Hotel/Apartment House located at 416 So. Grand Ave. It was called by various names including the Grand "Ave" Hotel and Grand Hotel. "416" 2nd floor: http://rescarta.lapl.org:8080/ResCar...search_doc=416 Whether it was in existence prior to or around 1920, when the Tramp was parading the pavement, is unclear. Per the photo notes, it was demolished in 1960.

http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/assets...E98A36AB0?v=hrhttp://digitallibrary.usc.edu/search...=1344148120070

BifRayRock Aug 5, 2012 4:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Fab Fifties Fan (Post 5788845)
Fifty years gone (August 5, 1962), but a legend forever....
http://imageshack.us/a/img834/7871/marilynr.jpg
Look Magazine
~Jon Paul

http://www.thisismarilyn.com/artwork...J-original.jpg http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...postcount=8461

BifRayRock Aug 5, 2012 5:15 PM

Bullocks Wilshire has been portrayed many times in this thread. These two undated photos with their over-exposed and expansive horizon are standouts.

http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics49/00059208.jpg
http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics49/00059204.jpgLAPL


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The grand auto portal, 1937.
http://jpg1.lapl.org/00097/00097396.jpghttp://jpg1.lapl.org/00098/00098642.jpghttp://jpg1.lapl.org/00098/00098641.jpglapl

MichaelRyerson Aug 5, 2012 6:31 PM

It seems like yesterday.
 
I've gotten so old that things like this surprise me with how many years have passed and how clearly I remember them.

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7136/7...eb769a14_o.jpg
norma jean doherty, ca, 1947
julienslive.com

There was a time when she was just another pretty girl, prettier perhaps than most but still with little to signal what was to come.

rick m Aug 5, 2012 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by BifRayRock (Post 5788861)
I do not recognize the "Grand Hotel" signage (or at least that's what I think it says). Nor do I recognize the makeup of the street. (Are those bricks or poured concrete with a brick design?) It may be the camera angle and lens, but the street seems rather narrow for one of downtown's big thoroughfares. The costumes of the crowd, the marble facia and the overhead sign "BAR" are clues that could even suggest another locale . . . . And, since the Biltmore wasn't completed until 1922, it is probably not a worthy candidate.

That being said, . . . there was a Hotel/Apartment House located at 416 So. Grand Ave. It was called by various names including the Grand "Ave" Hotel and Grand Hotel. "416" 2nd floor: http://rescarta.lapl.org:8080/ResCar...search_doc=416 Whether it was in existence prior to or around 1920, when the Tramp was parading the pavement, is unclear. Per the photo notes, it was demolished in 1960.

http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/assets...E98A36AB0?v=hrhttp://digitallibrary.usc.edu/search...=1344148120070

This Chaplin image looks to be sited upon a fairly level stretch of sidewalk - And the location of 416 So.Grand was ultra steep - even frequently utilized for auto endurance stunts-- Also , no such "Bar" ever existed in that block-just a series of hotels and several rickety remaining homes. Must be from some other part of town--

KevinW Aug 5, 2012 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 5788656)
Here is an excellent photograph of Charlie Chaplin and friends in downtown Los Angeles.

http://imageshack.us/a/img607/1838/a...w6thstreet.jpg
found on ebay

Can anyone pinpoint the exact location of this photograph? I've googled 'grand hotel' so many times I want to cry.

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I think you are confusing the Movie "Grand Hotel" made in 1932 for an actual hotel. If you look closely at the sign it looks like it's saying "Grand Hotel" then under that "starring" then under that what looks to be "Greta Garbo", the star.

http://www2.palomar.edu/users/scrout...Hotel22x28.jpg

palomar.edu

You'd do better to look for a street with a movie theater around the year 1932, when Grand Hotel came out and a year after City Lights, one of the Little Tramps most famous films premiered.

ethereal_reality Aug 6, 2012 12:51 AM

:previous: Whoa, I believe you may have solved the mystery for us KevinW.
But now I am wondering about the brick street...which I hadn't noticed before.

I am also curious about the bar that appears to be an open-air venue (open to the street).
This makes me think of Long Beach...or perhaps Venice.

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BifRayRock Aug 6, 2012 1:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KevinW (Post 5789207)
I think you are confusing the Movie "Grand Hotel" made in 1932 for an actual hotel. If you look closely at the sign it looks like it's saying "Grand Hotel" then under that "starring" then under that what looks to be "Greta Garbo", the star.

http://www2.palomar.edu/users/scrout...Hotel22x28.jpgpalomar.edu

You'd do better to look for a street with a movie theater around the year 1932, when Grand Hotel came out and a year after City Lights, one of the Little Tramps most famous films premiered.

I did not mean to conclude that the Chaplin photo was taken at, or in front of, the Grand Ave Hotel at 4th and Grand. Rather, only that such a business existed, and that possibly, a sign for the business was in the background. ;) I had never heard of it until I came upon the photo of its destruction.

With respect to whether the signage is actually an ad for MGM's Grand Hotel, that was my first thought too, but after squinting a while, I did not see it as a movie ad, which is not to say I am correct. Second, I am no expert, but the crowd's costumes look somewhat older, say from the Twenties or earlier. Third, if this was 1932 - or even 1933, it is doubtful that a Bar would be operating as such when Prohibition was still in effect. Doubtful - but not impossible. Fourth, elsewhere it was posited that the image "appears to be a candid photo of Charlie Chaplin shooting a deleted sequence for his film 'SHOULDER ARMS' - showing Charlie as a family man." I have absolutely no idea if this is accurate, but to the extent that it may be, "Shoulder Arms" was photographed in 1918. Again, I have no idea if this is accurate, but the supposition seems to fall in line with the earlier date. Frankly, if you look at my original response, I even wondered if it weren't possible for the photo to have been taken at "another locale" - that was not in Los Angeles or anywhere close to Grand Avenue or "Korin - Kodak" on 6th Street.

"The Korin" and a Los Angeles address certainly suggests a Los Angeles location, but it is no guarantee. While I do think the location was in Los Angeles, there are many other locations with Grand Hotels, and plenty of onlookers. LosAngeles Past saw the sidewalk as being on a grade and possibly on North Grand. Maybe worth exploring further? :shrug:

Good sport though. I look forward to someone solving the mystery. ;);)

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From the 1918 Movie "Shoulder Arms." Same three youngsters as found in the other photo? Does the marble fascia look familiar?
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ls...y8to2_1280.jpg http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ls...dy8to1_500.jpghttp://www.tumblr.com/tagged/shoulde...ore=1317540047

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http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_4CtfhPHreJ...400/joanie.jpggoogle Astor Theater (New York)http://twentyfourframes.files.wordpr...rand-hotel.jpghttp://twentyfourframes.files.wordpr...rand-hotel.jpg

ethereal_reality Aug 6, 2012 5:54 AM

:previous: hmm..I didn't think of prohibition. Good point BifRayRock.

ethereal_reality Aug 6, 2012 6:22 AM

"The interior of an all-male saloon in Los Angeles with a latrine." ( pan right----> ) The lighting fixtures are amazing!


http://imageshack.us/a/img826/7240/s...ineinfloor.jpg
found on ebay






below: Detail of the 'latrine'.

http://imageshack.us/a/img827/1638/s...inecloseup.jpg
ebay

For the life of me, I have never heard of a saloon where you could whip it out and take a p*ss whilst standing at the bar.

Is this really a latrine or did the seller mislabel the photograph?

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