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sopas ej Feb 11, 2012 12:50 AM

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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 5585093)
Car accident May 20, 1937.

Sopas_ej (our 'in house' bridge expert) can you tell us which bridge this is? The only clue is that engaged column.

http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/589...201937ebay.jpg
found on ebay



http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/2...01937ebay1.jpg
detail

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Gaylord_Wilshire, the photos of Sophia Loren & Jayne Mansfield are new to me as well.
Even by today's standards the photographs are pretty shocking. Ms. Mansfield might as well have been topless.

I bet Louella Parsons was cross-eyed for a week.

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That is the Broadway/Buena Vista St. bridge.

Gaylord, I liked those Loren/Mansfield photos, they are also new to me. I've only seen that famous one.

Welcome to the thread, Valda!

sopas ej Feb 11, 2012 1:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PHX31 (Post 5585664)
Thanks for sharing your stories Valda!

You mentioned your neighborhood in Highland Park... my Grandparents lived with my Great Grandmother in Highland Park back in the late 20s and 30s. They lived there for quite a while, my mother even lived there up until the 1st grade. They lived on a house just off of N Avenue 64 (on Planada Ave), shown below:

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i265/phxrep/6318.jpg
Google Street View

Back in those days it was broken into two separate living areas, with my family living upstairs, and the downstairs was rented out as a separate apartment.

Earlier on in this thread I mentioned my Mom's neighborhood and some stories about her childhood in Alhambra (living just below the Phil Spector mansion), but she lived in Highland Park when she was much younger.

Also, YEARS ago (probably 2004) I posted a thread about my Grandmother's stories riding the streetcars from Highland Park to her job at a bank in Downtown Los Angeles. Maybe you guys rode the same streetcar, Valda. Her and my Grandfather kept a Los Angeles street car token for all these years, which she gave to me before she passed (actually, she gave it to me around the time I posted that old thread, I still have it).

Anyway, I just talked to my mom on the phone and she mentioned several interesting historic structures in Highland Park on N Ave 64, just a block or so from their old home. One of them is the Church of the Angeles on 1100 N. Avenue 64. She told me how beautiful the stained glass windows in the church were, as well as mentioned a neat angel statue in front. Here is what the church looks like today:

The stained glass
http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i2...rep/church.jpg
Google Streetview

Side view from Church Street, notice the clock and statue
http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i2...ep/church2.jpg

Another really quick search brought up this:
http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/assets...7B976AC54?v=hr
Courtesy USC Digital Archive Church of the Angels info, USC

Notice the clock... In the archives they describe the history of the late 1800s church, which still stands in mostly the same condition.

Highland Park indeed is fascinating. My godparents used to live there, until the early 1990s when they moved to West Covina, and then later some time after 2000, they moved out to Beaumont; my godfather passed away last year.

Great photos, PHX31. I like the Church of the Angels. I've only visited it once in the late 1990s. I liked it because it was prominently featured in one of my favorite movies from the 80s (and in my opinion, Winona Ryder's best film), "Heathers":

Video Link

GaylordWilshire Feb 11, 2012 2:11 AM

1954: R.I.P Dorothy--Bugsy's connection to Hollywood...
 
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-O...2520PM.bmp.jpgUSCDL
Never knew she died on a train. At first I thought that fold in the mink was her hand....

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-k...2520PM.bmp.jpg
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-m...2520PM.bmp.jpg
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-m...2520PM.bmp.jpgLos Angeles Times January 5, 1954

ethereal_reality Feb 11, 2012 3:05 AM

I really liked your Highland Park post PHX31. I fell in love with that little church.
I tried unsuccessfully to find a color photograph of the stained glass.


I found this black and white of the glass.

http://img850.imageshack.us/img850/9...ainedglass.jpg
http://photos.lapl.org/carlweb/jsp/F...olNumber=25143



below: An enchanting view with people in a horse and buggy circa 1898.

http://img824.imageshack.us/img824/149/angels1898.jpg
http://photos.lapl.org/carlweb/jsp/F...olNumber=25093



below: I want to see how long it takes you to find the horse in this 1890 photo. :)

http://img827.imageshack.us/img827/5...garvanzath.jpg
http://photos.lapl.org/carlweb/jsp/F...olNumber=24998



below: Not in a million years would I have guessed this was in Los Angeles.

http://img839.imageshack.us/img839/5...swithsheep.jpg
http://photos.lapl.org/carlweb/jsp/F...olNumber=24790


below: One last pic of the Church of Angels (no date).

http://img542.imageshack.us/img542/4...gelestrees.jpg
http://photos.lapl.org/carlweb/jsp/F...olNumber=24991


So is this church considered to be in Highland Park or Pasadena? LAPL says it's in Pasadena.

One very interesting thing I found out was that this area was known as Garvanza until 1899. Does 'Garvanza' ring a bell with anyone?

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3940dxer Feb 11, 2012 3:32 AM

Yes, it does. When my wife and I were doing staircase walks last year I learned about Garvanza, and saw a few signs here and there. According to Wikipedia:

Garvanza is a neighborhood in northeast Los Angeles. It is generally considered a subdistrict of Highland Park.

It is named for the garbanzo beans that once flourished there. Garvanza was annexed by the city in 1899.[1]

The two bridges which connect Los Angeles to South Pasadena originate in Garvanza. The railroad bridge has been rebuilt twice since the early part of the last century, and the York Street bridge, one of the most picturesque to span the Arroyo Seco, was built to replace a small wooden toll bridge that became too rickety to support the ever increasing traffic between South Pasadena and Los Angeles. The toll house still exists on the South Pasadena side.

Garvanza, like neighboring Eagle Rock and Hermon, were incorporated into the city of Los Angeles very early in the 20th century. Garvanza received LA Rail service first in 1903 [1] and was one of the first parts of Los Angeles to be electrified.

The world famous Judson Studios, built in 1911, and creators of much of the remarkable stained glass that graced Craftsman and Mission structures throughout the SoCal region, are located in Garvanza at 200 South Avenue 66. They are the oldest family-run art glass company in the United States. They created many of the art glass applications and installations for Frank Lloyd Wright in California.

Garvanza, along with South Pasadena and Pasadena, is generally considered to be the birthplace of the Arts & Crafts movement in Southern California.


http://laist.com/attachments/tony/garvanzamap.jpg
http://laist.com/2007/08/06/the_neighborhoo_2.php

Here's a 1917 map that shows Garvanza and some other extinct towns including Owensmouth, Tropico, Roscoe, Bassett, and Spadra. (Spadra?)

http://dkse.net/david/5727144956_ede87294e7_b.jpg
http://digital.lapl.org/

P.S. Found the horse in about 15 seconds. ;)

sopas ej Feb 11, 2012 4:09 AM

:previous:

If I may add, the Garvanza name disappeared some time by the mid 20th Century, the area being considered part of Highland Park. It was later revived in the mid or late 90s, I believe. By the time I moved to South Pasadena in 1998, the Garvanza district/neighborhood signs were already in place.
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_AbImehj4Li...vanza+Sign.jpg
ellenbloom.blogspot.com

"The toll house still exists on the South Pasadena side."

That's news to me! I can't imagine where it would be.

3940dxer Feb 11, 2012 7:11 AM

Side note -- Mom, it's great (and a bit surreal) to see you here...nice to see you "on board". I hope that at some point you'll tell the "stairway story" that took place at the meeting your father attended (which will relate to the Murphy Ranch piece I plan to add one day), and that you'll ask about the Lummis neighbors and the nearby adobe. (These latter two are intriguing, were they connected? I don't recall.)

In my ongoing Laurel Canyon explorations I've been checking out Lookout Mountain, which has a long interesting and history. I'm slowly piecing the story together but am having a heckuva time shooting "now" photos -- the area has changed so much, most of the old landmarks are either gone, or seem invisible.

This shot below is my big puzzlement - where was it taken from, and what is this road? In the distance we see the Lookout Mountain Inn, with (I think) the ridge-top of the Santa Monica mountains, where Mulholland would be, behind it. If that is the case we are looking more or less north.

So this road seems to approach Lookout Mountain from the south - except there is no road that approaches from the south. It might be Sunset Plaza Drive, but that road (originally called Holly Vista Drive BTW) doesn't really lead to Lookout Mountain, and I didn't think it was built until after the Lookout Mountain Inn burned down.

So...any idea where the shot was taken from? Will gift a nice book about L.A. to anyone that can nail it within a quarter mile or so.

http://wwww.dkse.net/david/LCyn/LookoutRoad.jpg
http://www.lapl.org/


A Google satellite view of the area. "A" is the former site of the Lookout Mountain Inn, now occupied by several homes. Mulholland is off the map, but it's rough parallel to Wonderland, and about twice as far away.
http://wwww.dkse.net/david/LCyn/LCYn.sat.jpg

GaylordWilshire Feb 11, 2012 2:07 PM

Why Postmodernism has a bad name...
 
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-6...2520AM.bmp.jpgBeverly Hills Historic Preservation

I've seen dates as early as 1907 for the house in the center of this Beverly Hills panorama. Whatever the precise date, it is obviously
one of the first built in BH. We're looking up Beverly Drive from Santa Monica Blvd...the house is at the corner of Beverly and Park
Way. And amazingly, it still stands, atrociously marred by someone who should be put in stocks in the park in front it while it is
being brought back to its original integrity, which lasted at least until 1985:

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-Z...2520AM.bmp.jpgBeverly Hills Historic Preservation


Who did this? Gag me with a spoon.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-q...2520AM.bmp.jpgatelier a+d

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-N...2520AM.bmp.jpgGoogle Street View

PHX31 Feb 11, 2012 2:37 PM

Sopas_ej and ethereal_reality, yeah that's such a great area and church, I can't believe how well preserved it is. That picture with the sheep and the church is really hard to imagine as Los Angeles.

I secretly hoped more info would be found and posted about that area, and you didn't disappoint - I can't believe you found a picture of the stained glass window from the inside!

GaylordWilshire Feb 11, 2012 6:03 PM

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-t...2520PM.bmp.jpgThe Church of the Angels

Re the Church of the Angels: One of--if not the--most interesting church in L.A.--or is it Pasadena? There seem to be conflicting claims to it. The church website (link above) has the address as "1100 Ave. 64, Pasadena," while the Historic Highland Park website seems to claim it as well. Well, who wouldn't want to claim for themselves? The vintage shots are mesmerizing.

The shot above is the only one I could find of the tower's truncated state that mercifully turned out to be temporary. According to the church's website, "...after the 1971 earthquake, it was necessary to shorten the tower because of structural damage. In celebration of the church's centennial in 1989, the funds were raised to rebuild the bell tower to its original height and to seismically strengthen and structurally reinforce the church. At the same time, many of the original architectural features of the exterior of the church were re-established and restored."

slaverne Feb 11, 2012 6:04 PM

The Artist
 
I'm so happy you enjoyed The Artist. I worked on the film and I'll be happy to answer any questions about the locations we used.

slaverne Feb 11, 2012 6:18 PM

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Originally Posted by GaylordWilshire (Post 5494631)
:previous:



https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-n...2520AM.bmp.jpgyoutube.com
This location is no mystery

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-9...2520AM.bmp.jpgyoutube.com
This appears to have been shot in Fremont Place, though the house seen is not #56, the one
Mary Pickford and her mother rented for a few years in the '20s. According to esteemed blogger
Steve Vaught over at Paradise Leased, Charlotte Pickford apparently owned--she seems to
have had it built--#126 Fremont Place:

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-B...2520AM.bmp.jpgParadise Leased

#126 now:
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-X...2520AM.bmp.jpgGoogle Earth

#56:
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-m...2520AM.bmp.jpgHouses of Hancock Park

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-Z...2520AM.bmp.jpgyoutube.com
I'm thinking this is a set...can't think of an old L.A. theater that looks like this, can you? The
La Reina Theater on Ventura certainly doesn't....

This was filmed on the Warner Bros. backlot and the additional large Peppy Miller sign above was added digitally.

sopas ej Feb 11, 2012 7:32 PM

:previous:

Hi slaverne! The Artist was a great film. I'm interested to see how it'll fare in a few weeks at the Oscars.

So were most of the shooting locations confined to a studio and a few sections of LA?

sopas ej Feb 11, 2012 7:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GaylordWilshire (Post 5587075)
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-t...2520PM.bmp.jpgThe Church of the Angels

Re the Church of the Angels: One of--if not the--most interesting church in L.A.--or is it Pasadena? There seem to be conflicting claims to it. The church website (link above) has the address as "1100 Ave. 64, Pasadena," while the Historic Highland Park website seems to claim it as well. Well, who wouldn't want to claim for themselves? The vintage shots are mesmerizing.

The shot above is the only one I could find of the tower's truncated state that mercifully turned out to be temporary. According to the church's website, "...after the 1971 earthquake, it was necessary to shorten the tower because of structural damage. In celebration of the church's centennial in 1989, the funds were raised to rebuild the bell tower to its original height and to seismically strengthen and structurally reinforce the church. At the same time, many of the original architectural features of the exterior of the church were re-established and restored."

I never understood the Pasadena claim either. However, right now, looking at the address in my Thomas Guide, I see that that particular stretch of Avenue 64 actually straddles the Pasadena and Los Angeles border, the west side of the street being LA and the east side being Pasadena---the church is on the east side. So all this time, I had the answer right in my Thomas Guide. Having been to the church myself, I really thought it was in Los Angeles.

3940dxer Feb 11, 2012 8:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 5585080)
Welcome to the thread Valda!

Thank you so much for sharing your memories of growing up in Los Angeles. I am in awe of your father....you must be very proud of him.

...

I tried to come up with some information on your music school in Boyle Heights, but the only information I could find was for a 'Neighborhood Music School' on Boyle Avenue just south of 4th street.

Could this possibly be your music school? Here's a link to it's history.http://articles.latimes.com/2001/may/09/local/me-61293

e_r, my mother mentioned in an email that this was her music school, so thanks for finding the article!

I did a little more digging and learned that the original address was, appropriately, 2607 Mozart St. This is a couple blocks east of where the 5 freeway is now, and 2 blocks north of Main St. In (I think) the early 30's they expanded and moved to two adjacent houses at 410 and 412 S. Boyle Ave. In 1947 the music program split in two. The Neighborhood Music School moved a block up the street to yet another Victorian house at 358 S. Boyle, the current location. Founder Pearl Odell stayed in the 410/412 homes, running what would become the Los Angeles Music and Art School.

I stopped by 410/412 this morning and took a few photos. Valda, is this where you took violin lessons?

http://wwww.dkse.net/david/Boyle/100_6252.JPG


http://wwww.dkse.net/david/Boyle/100_6254.JPG


There are a lot of old L.A. Times articles. Most are just brief mentions of events from the society pages but here's a nice article from August 25, 1941 with a photo of Pearl Odell.

http://wwww.dkse.net/david/Boyle/LATimes.8.25.41.jpg
http://search.proquest.com/hnplatime...ccountid=11124

3940dxer Feb 11, 2012 8:15 PM

1544 E. Pleasant Drive, Boyle Heights
 
Driving through Boyle Heights this morning, this little gem at 1544 E. Pleasant Drive caught my eye:

http://wwww.dkse.net/david/Boyle/1544E.Pleasant.JPG


And I couldn't resist stopping by Broadway St. for a look at the "new" Clifton's:

http://wwww.dkse.net/david/100_6255.JPG

GaylordWilshire Feb 11, 2012 8:35 PM

:previous:

Great camerawork, David. As for that Boyle Heights gem--it reminded me of a house nearby I once noticed while cruising by in Google Street View. Found it buried in my photos. It really is amazing how many such places still exits east of Main--whole streets full of them.... This is 3407 East 4th St.

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-_...2520PM.bmp.jpgGoogle Street View

slaverne Feb 11, 2012 8:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sopas ej (Post 5587158)
:previous:

Hi slaverne! The Artist was a great film. I'm interested to see how it'll fare in a few weeks at the Oscars.

So were most of the shooting locations confined to a studio and a few sections of LA?

We filmed on both the WB and Paramount backlots, in Hancock Park, at the Wilshire Ebell Theater, The Orpheum and LA Theaters and the old Ren-Mar studio (now called Red Studio) in Hollywood. There were other locations around town. Int/Ext Peppy's house was 56 Fremont Place. Int/Ext George and Doris' house was 104 Fremont Place. The Laboratory and jail in the movie within the movie was at the Eagle Rock substation. I hope we do well on Oscar night.

Valda Feb 11, 2012 9:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 3940dxer (Post 5587182)
e_r, my mother mentioned in an email that this was her music school, so thanks for finding the article!

I did a little more digging and learned that the original address was, appropriately, 2607 Mozart St. This is a couple blocks east of where the 5 freeway is now, and 2 blocks north of Main St. In (I think) the early 30's they expanded and moved to two adjacent houses at 410 and 412 S. Boyle Ave. In 1947 the music program split in two. The Neighborhood Music School moved a block up the street to yet another Victorian house at 358 S. Boyle, the current location. Founder Pearl Odell stayed in the 410/412 homes, running what would become the Los Angeles Music and Art School.

I stopped by 410/412 this morning and took a few photos. Valda, is this where you took violin lessons?

First, I was amazed at the information found about my music school, and its correct name. This wonderful way of digging up old history is new to me, and adds to my memories. Thanks to all who contributed.

David, when I graduated from high school in 1946, I had stopped taking lessons, so the building I would remember is the earlier one. Do you have that picture as well?

westcork Feb 11, 2012 9:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sopas ej (Post 5586606)
:previous:

If I may add, the Garvanza name disappeared some time by the mid 20th Century, the area being considered part of Highland Park. It was later revived in the mid or late 90s, I believe. By the time I moved to South Pasadena in 1998, the Garvanza district/neighborhood signs were already in place.
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_AbImehj4Li...vanza+Sign.jpg
ellenbloom.blogspot.com

"The toll house still exists on the South Pasadena side."

That's news to me! I can't imagine where it would be.

That reminds me of the T-shirts we were printing a few years back. Nobody wanted to buy them... The intention was to print them for every LA Neighborhood, and sell them through local markets and convenience stores.

[IMG]http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7196/6...6d21d247b2.jpg Echo Park T-Shirt by Westcork, on Flickr[/IMG]


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