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homebucket Apr 19, 2022 8:04 PM

^ You can see here that if the Bay was filled and the Santa Cruz mountains were replaced with ocean, it would look similar to the LA basin, with lots of alternate routes.

After:
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...c9ce9bb8_o.pnghttps://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...b491aec6_o.png

Before:
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...124d2fb9_o.png

SAN Man Apr 19, 2022 9:14 PM

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Originally Posted by sopas ej (Post 9602362)
This also contributes to the Bay Area's traffic, as there are fewer alternate routes because of the Bay.

The LA basin has more alternate freeways and surface streets. Lakewood-Rosemead Blvd. can be a great alternate if there's an accident on the 605 or 710; Venice Blvd. can be a great alternate to the 10; Sepulveda or La Cienega to Slauson or La Tijera can be a good alternate to LAX... etc.

NorCal has challenging bottlenecks. The bottleneck between LA/OC and SD is really bad too. 1 freeway and a railway, connecting a 13 million person metro with a 3.5 million metro (6 million if you combine SD with Tij) and that's about it. If you're in the Inland Empire (pop 4.5 million) then you have the 15 as an alternative to SD.

Streamliner Apr 19, 2022 9:34 PM

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Originally Posted by homebucket (Post 9602380)
^ You can see here that if the Bay was filled and the Santa Cruz mountains were replaced with ocean, it would look similar to the LA basin, with lots of alternate routes.

After:
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...c9ce9bb8_o.png

Whoa that's a really cool visual.

Steely Dan Apr 19, 2022 9:38 PM

Make San Francisco affordable again!

DRAIN THE BAY!!!

TWAK Apr 19, 2022 9:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Steely Dan (Post 9602476)
Make San Francisco affordable again!

DRAIN THE BAY!!!

Why does NYC get a pass but not SF? :(
Filling in the bay would be ugly.

sopas ej Apr 19, 2022 9:51 PM

Millions of years ago, the LA Basin was under water. The Palos Verdes Peninsula was an island.

LosAngelesSportsFan Apr 19, 2022 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by RST500 (Post 9602189)
"Fastest growing places (min. 25k) in California, 2000-2020:
1. Beaumont (366%)
2. Lincoln (344%)
3. Vineyard CDP (335%)
4. Elk Grove (194%)
5. El Dorado Hills CDP (181%)

Reverse:
1. Huntington Park (-11%)
2. Maywood (-10%)
3. Bell Gardens (-10%)
4. Bell (-8%)
5. Santa Ana (-8%)"



@SidKhurana3607

The cities losing the most are very hispanic cities. Im assuming this is because of downsizing of families and perhaps out migration due to cost of living

JManc Apr 20, 2022 12:41 AM

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Originally Posted by sopas ej (Post 9602483)
Millions of years ago, the LA Basin was under water. The Palos Verdes Peninsula was an island.

Millions of years from now, LA and SF will be right next to each other:

http://worldlywise.pbworks.com/f/sanandreas.jpg

Buckeye Native 001 Apr 20, 2022 2:03 AM

Can't happen soon enough if it means not having to drive past Bakersfield on the 5.

homebucket Apr 20, 2022 2:10 AM

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Originally Posted by JManc (Post 9602613)
Millions of years from now, LA and SF will be right next to each other:

http://worldlywise.pbworks.com/f/sanandreas.jpg

Instead of Bay to Breakers it’ll be Bay to Basin.

TWAK Apr 20, 2022 2:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Buckeye Native 001 (Post 9602675)
Can't happen soon enough if it means not having to drive past Bakersfield on the 5.

280 will be elongated or cracked really badly :haha:

Buckeye Native 001 Apr 20, 2022 3:29 AM

My money's on badly cracked

Crawford Apr 20, 2022 12:49 PM

At least this means CA can save $100 billion and not have to build CAHSR? Just extend BART to downtown LA. ;)

SAN Man Apr 20, 2022 3:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steely Dan (Post 9602476)
Make San Francisco affordable again!

DRAIN THE BAY!!!

East Bay cities would be extremely hot! San Jose, even hotter than it is today without a slight moderation of the bay on it's north side. Summer temps likely hitting the 100s in this newly created bowl of urbanity.

Steely Dan Apr 20, 2022 3:17 PM

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Originally Posted by TWAK (Post 9602477)
Why does NYC get a pass but not SF? :(
Filling in the bay would be ugly.

My comment was 1 billion percent facetious.

What would be the point of living in the bay area without the bay?

Maybe they could rename it the "basin area". Then it would make sense again. ;)

Klippenstein Apr 20, 2022 3:21 PM

Since we’re throwing around hypotheticals. They could build a giant dike like the Dutch and just drain it a little.

SAN Man Apr 20, 2022 4:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Klippenstein (Post 9603009)
Since we’re throwing around hypotheticals. They could build a giant dike like the Dutch and just drain it a little.

Or build a giant dam, extract the salt and create the largest fresh water reservoir in the US, 1,600 square miles in size.

Yuri Apr 20, 2022 5:06 PM

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Originally Posted by LosAngelesSportsFan (Post 9602562)
The cities losing the most are very hispanic cities. Im assuming this is because of downsizing of families and perhaps out migration due to cost of living

I mentioned this on page 4. Clearly, the changing in California growth pattern is mostly due the collapse of Mexican immigration. That's why we see the expensive San Francisco actually accelerating while the heavily Hispanic Los Angeles and Central Valley saw their growth to collapse.

Chisouthside Apr 20, 2022 5:23 PM

Plenty of CA Mexican families moving to AZ and Texas too.

mrnyc Apr 20, 2022 5:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TWAK (Post 9602477)
Why does NYC get a pass but not SF? :(
Filling in the bay would be ugly.

because we rejoice any population loss. :haha:


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