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ethereal_reality Aug 29, 2018 3:28 PM

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...924/u8b899.jpg
re: GW's ad

:previous: seems "Mac" had a wee bit of trouble with locations...
'Restaurant Row' isn't in Beverly Hills. The restaurant would have had to been on the west side of Doheny Drive...at the very least.

(obviously it was done on purpose to give the restaurant a more swanky address.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...924/u8b899.jpg
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The fir trees do look a bit scraggly CBD, but I really like them anyway. (although I'm not sure I'd like to deal with all the fallen needles)

ethereal_reality Aug 29, 2018 4:24 PM

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...921/8p6A2V.jpg
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/3rvYdj.jpglocation found by Scott Charles

:previous: That Burrito King has been there for quite some time. [in the 70s slide note the BIG billboard with the donkey..I think it might be wearing a hat]

and that sign on the far right, in the 70s slide, looks like the Cooper's Do-Nut logo.






BURRITO KING.....1970s to 2017
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...923/YQeQ5B.jpghttps://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...922/BUp7Mi.jpg
detail / detail :)



"Gram Parsons, Burrito King 1969"

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...921/9tXZf7.jpg
YELP

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ethereal_reality Aug 29, 2018 4:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by odinthor (Post 8297389)
:tup: Absolutely e_r: Cedrus deodara!

THANKS odinthor. :)

ethereal_reality Aug 29, 2018 4:51 PM

GOOD JOB Flyingwedge! This is the other slide I didn't think we would solve.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flyingwedge (Post 8297399)
The EBAY photo looks SE across part of Prospect Park in East LA. The two homes behind the little kids are 702 and 706 Echandia Street.
Sep 2017 GSV


https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...921/sCKTOi.jpg

:previous: Just think...those kids are in their late 40s now. (holy bejeesus! :stunned:....how time flies)

next assignment:

Is there a school nearby....it looks like their walking north, right?

...or maybe they're coming from a day-care down on Brooklyn Ave.


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GaylordWilshire Aug 29, 2018 5:16 PM

Did the English style of the Tail o' the Cock come from an early incarnation down the coast??


https://s22.postimg.cc/soxe8rpfl/hurleybell.bmp.jpg
LAT Sept 19, 1954


From Lawry's A la Cart online magazine, winter 2015

RICHARD N. FRANK’S DREAM of opening an English-style country inn in Southern California fifty years ago may not have come true without Matilda “Tillie” MacCulloch.

The American wife of a wealthy Scotsman lived a privileged life in England, but she never forgot the Southern California she first saw as a child in 1890. Following World War I, Tillie, with her daughter Marguerite in tow, made many trips from England to Newport Beach and Corona del Mar. There, like a generation of speculators before her, she began buying land.

Determined to bring a bit of the English countryside to the sleepy beach town, she built a replica of England’s oldest inn, Ye Olde Belle, a quarter mile from the ocean in 1936. She called it the Hurley Bell, a name based on the original inn’s location in Hurley-on-Thames.

The incongruous Tudor building stood as a lone sentinel on the relatively new Pacific Coast Highway in an otherwise undeveloped part of the village. It served as a home for the mother and daughter for four years before being leased to Bruce Warren and his business partner, Shelton McHenry – the same Shelton McHenry whose Tail O’ the Cock competed with Lawry’s the Prime Rib on Beverly Hills’ Restaurant Row.

McHenry’s L.A. operation lasted forty years; the new Corona del Mar version closed after only three when the partners split up over McHenry’s objections to Warren’s arranging for “interested” restaurant guests to gamble in secret.

Tillie and Marguerite moved back in, revived the Hurley Bell name and ran it as an inn with guest rooms and a restaurant serving breakfast and dinner. It soon became a hideaway for Hollywood stars and their playmates. Lana Turner, Ava Gardner, Bette Davis and couples like Howard Hughes and Rita Hayworth, as well as Humphrey Bogart and Lauren Bacall, all provided fodder for the local gossip mill.

After Tillie died in 1948, Marguerite felt burdened running the inn, calling it “a real nightmare.” She leased the place to a succession of entrepreneurs who all failed to make a go of it. The Hurley Bell suffered a steep decline and was even rumored to traffic in “unsavory behavior” in its bedrooms. By the mid-1960s, it was time to sell.

The moment couldn’t have been better for Richard to step in. He’d been seeking a way for Lawry’s Restaurants to enter the Orange County market.

The Hurley Bell was made to order, but in its dilapidated condition, it took a year to convert the building into the fanciful, fun Tom Jones era English country inn he envisioned. Prime Rib co-founder Walter Van de Kamp suggested a new name for the place, one that reflected its being the company’s fifth restaurant and the “real jewel in our crown.”



There is also this from the LAT, Feb 20, 2000:

The Five Crowns restaurant in Corona del Mar doesn't just have a menu brimming with British entrees. It has a proper English pedigree as well.

In the 1930s, an Englishwoman named Matilda "Tillie" MacCulloch traveled from her frigid homeland to California in search of sunshine. Although she loved Corona del Mar, she lamented its lack of decent British architecture and decided to do something about it.

She found an ancient inn southwest of London and hired a builder to replicate the structure here. The result was a Tudor building that she named Hurley Bell, after Ye Olde Bell at Hurley-on-Thames.

Orange County historian Jim Sleeper said the building began as MacCulloch's residence, then under new management became Tail O' the Cock, then reverted back to Hurley Bell. In 1965, the Hurley Bell became Five Crowns and has been a successful restaurant ever since.



Was the La Cienega location always in the English mode?
https://s22.postimg.cc/divxvnwj5/tailvalleynews.bmp.jpg
Valley News Aug 9, 1974



Re the CDM location/and the LA location:
https://s22.postimg.cc/hj338151d/tail10.bmp.jpghttps://s22.postimg.cc/bxgo3mh3l/tailbones.bmp.jpg
LAT June 28, 1940/Sept 8, 1960

GaylordWilshire Aug 29, 2018 5:38 PM

Re the To'TC's English design--this pc is dated 1945...

https://s22.postimg.cc/vbm3h90kh/tai...ienega.bmp.jpg
JH Graham


And...
https://s22.postimg.cc/5l647i0u9/tailfire.bmp.jpg
LAT Dec 13, 1940

Martin Pal Aug 29, 2018 5:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8297363)
Surprisingly, no one seems to agree where, exactly, it [Tail 'o the Cock] was located in the valley.

This guy says it was in Sherman Oaks > > Bobby Cole
This guy says it was in Studio City > > Bryan Behar
This guy says it was in North Hollywood > > Marty McFly

Marty McFly
also mistakeningly posted a postcard of the La Cienega location)

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To be honest, I can see why people have varying accounts of where something is located in the valley. memory-wise at least.
The line demarcations for each place aren't really noticeable and not particularly recognizeable. Although no one ever
seems to think anything is in Van Nuys, :).

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Thanks G-W for the insights as to the previous occupants of 9430 Wilshire Blvd.

This was quite interesting:

Quote:

Originally Posted by GaylordWilshire (Post 8297017)
A few items from the Times

https://s22.postimg.cc/jekd2h94h/9430-1.bmp.jpg
March 9, 1933--the emergency being the Depression, not, as I thought at first, the Long Beach earthquake, which occurred the next day...
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I guess this ad advising customers they can use checks was because of the 4 days the banks were closed when FDR became President.

The Emergency Banking Act (March 9, 1933), was an act passed by the United States Congress in March 1933 in an attempt to stabilize the banking system.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergency_Banking_Act

Handsome Stranger Aug 29, 2018 7:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8294834)
When I first laid eyes on this photo I thought for sure I was looking at an out-take from an Ed Wood film.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...921/vtfVQB.jpg
weird retro facebook

That is..until I read the caption:

[I]"A behind the scenes shot from The Black Sleep (1956), which starred Bela Lugosi in his last real role (discounting the pre-shot footage
used in Plan 9 From Outer Space). The movie also featured Tor Johnson of Plan 9 fame, seen in the photo as well."

I managed to track down a copy of "The Black Sleep" and watched it, curious to know if they'd shot any scenes at Tail O' the Cock. The answer is no. The entire movie was shot on studio sets. No locations at all.

According to IMDB the movie was shot at American National Studios, and ZIV Studios. Those are actually one and the same. The studios were located at 7950 Santa Monica Blvd but have long since been demolished.

Tail O' the Cock on La Cienega would have been located about two miles away. It seems unlikely the cast would have gone in full costume and makeup to the valley location, much further away. (The costumes seen in the two photos posted match the costumes in the movie.)

But what were they doing there? Was there no commissary on the lot? This is pure speculation on my part but I think it was probably a publicity stunt. Isn't that is a hearse they're riding in?

The movie is a snoozefest. Not good enough to be classic horror, not bad enough to be campy fun. Quite a lost opportunity considering the cast, which included Basil Rathbone, Akim Tamirof, Lon Chaney Jr., and John Carradine. Bela Lugosi had a fairly minor part, not a starring role.

The gentleman on the extreme left of the photo above, judging by the vest, is Akim Tamirof.

https://s33.postimg.cc/bc7kxmz4v/blacksleep.jpg
[source: Kino Lorber blu ray]

CityBoyDoug Aug 29, 2018 7:59 PM

https://i.imgur.com/WUDOcmt.jpg

I've driven by that building [at the right ] many times. I would always wonder what it must be like living that close to a freeway 24/7.

Handsome Stranger Aug 29, 2018 9:00 PM

:previous: It must be a very old building. There are actually garages on the ground floor facing the freeway.

https://s33.postimg.cc/c0lj1iblr/Santa_Ana_FWY.jpg
[source: GSV]

HossC Aug 29, 2018 9:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GaylordWilshire (Post 8297769)

Determined to bring a bit of the English countryside to the sleepy beach town, she built a replica of England’s oldest inn, Ye Olde Belle, a quarter mile from the ocean in 1936. She called it the Hurley Bell, a name based on the original inn’s location in Hurley-on-Thames.

...

Tillie and Marguerite moved back in, revived the Hurley Bell name and ran it as an inn with guest rooms and a restaurant serving breakfast and dinner. It soon became a hideaway for Hollywood stars and their playmates. Lana Turner, Ava Gardner, Bette Davis and couples like Howard Hughes and Rita Hayworth, as well as Humphrey Bogart and Lauren Bacall, all provided fodder for the local gossip mill.

Interestingly, The Olde Bell in England, upon which the Hurley Bell was based, is quite close to Pinewood Studios where the James Bond movies are filmed (amongst many others). According to its Wikipedia page, "...the inn has seen a number of movie-star guests, including Mae West, Greta Garbo, Cary Grant, Errol Flynn, Elizabeth Taylor and Richard Burton" - not a dissimilar clientele to the Hurley Bell and the Tail o' the Cock.

Knowing how much NLAers like a secret tunnel, I also found this The Olde Bell's Wikipedia page: "The hotel is said to contain a secret tunnel leading to the village priory which was used by John Lovelace, who was involved in the Glorious Revolution to overthrow King James II in the 17th century."

GaylordWilshire Aug 29, 2018 9:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martin Pal (Post 8297834)
This was quite interesting:

I guess this ad advising customers they can use checks was because of the 4 days the banks were closed when FDR became President.

The Emergency Banking Act (March 9, 1933), was an act passed by the United States Congress in March 1933 in an attempt to stabilize the banking system.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergency_Banking_Act


A few more ads run during the bank holiday in Calif

https://s22.postimg.cc/eagovc8q9/bankhol1.bmp.jpghttps://s22.postimg.cc/7wrls3j9t/bankhol3.bmp.jpg
LAT March & 4, 1933


https://s22.postimg.cc/nv0bi8sxd/bankhol2.bmp.jpghttps://s22.postimg.cc/iwct3rmkh/bankhol4.bmp.jpg
both LAT March 8, 1933

Flyingwedge Aug 29, 2018 9:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8297738)

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...921/sCKTOi.jpg

:previous: Just think...those kids are in their late 40s now. (holy bejeesus! :stunned:....how time flies)

next assignment:

Is there a school nearby....it looks like their walking north, right?

...or maybe they're coming from a day-care down on Brooklyn Ave.


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The house on the right of the EBAY photo is 702 Echandia. Five properties to the right of that house is the Bridge Street School.

GaylordWilshire Aug 29, 2018 9:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Handsome Stranger (Post 8298072)
:previous: It must be a very old building. There are actually garages on the ground floor facing the freeway.

https://s33.postimg.cc/c0lj1iblr/Santa_Ana_FWY.jpg
[source: GSV]


So...what is the Hollenbeck Palms?


https://s22.postimg.cc/b660ydcgh/HP1.bmp.jpg
https://s22.postimg.cc/vdjgqpk8h/HP2.bmp.jpg

HossC Aug 29, 2018 10:33 PM

:previous:

We discussed the area around the Hollenbeck Home for the Aged back in February (see multiple posts on page 2284 and page 2285), and the building next to the freeway seems to be one of the few surviving parts. In the comparison below, the aerial on the left is from 1931. It appears to show a driveway extending north from the building to Pecan Street, so there may well have been garages. Incidentally, the building isn't on the 1921 Baist map, but is on the 1928 aerial. I don't think we ever identified what the building was.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...kBuilding1.jpg
mil.library.ucsb.edu/Google Maps

Noir_Noir Aug 29, 2018 10:48 PM

Burrito King - Sunset and Alvarado
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8297704)
"Gram Parsons, Burrito King 1969"

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...921/9tXZf7.jpg
YELP

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Speaking of musicians down at Burrito King.

Once described as "the first and foremost practitioner of song noir", here's Warren Zevon at the corner of Sunset and Alvarado in late 1976.


https://i.imgur.com/Sqlwxpx.jpg


Video clip -

https://streamable.com/qs6mb

Scott Charles Aug 30, 2018 12:36 AM

Tom Waits refers to Burrito King in the intro to his 1975 song, Better Off Without A Wife, where her refers to it as a "class joint".

If you'd like to hear it, it happens at 1 minute and 5 seconds in:

Video Link


He also mentions the "the corner of Sunset and Alvarado" on Emotional Weather Report from the same album, Nighthawks at the Diner.

ethereal_reality Aug 30, 2018 1:42 AM

:previous: What is it with rockers and the Burrito King...am I missing something?

(I happened upon the Gram Parsons photograph quite by accident)

ethereal_reality Aug 30, 2018 2:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Handsome Stranger (Post 8298072)

It must be a very old building. There are actually garages on the ground floor facing the freeway.

https://s33.postimg.cc/c0lj1iblr/Santa_Ana_FWY.jpg
[source: GSV]

I've looked at this building, and how close it is to the freeway, many times and it never occurred to me that those were garage doors! Good eye Handsome Stranger.

Quote:

Originally Posted by HossC
It appears to show a driveway extending north from the building to Pecan Street, so there may well have been garages.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...921/Tpgacv.jpg

The layout of Pine Street is really odd....especially the way it is sliced off by that diagonal line.
Is it because of an extreme difference in elevation along the diagonal line?

Also...there appears to be a pond, or a remnant of one, just beyond the driveway's 45 degree turn onto Pine.

None of this is all that important...but I've always found it interesting how topography influences streets, property lines...etc.

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ethereal_reality Aug 30, 2018 3:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GaylordWilshire

"The Hurley Bell suffered a steep decline and was even rumored to traffic in “unsavory behavior” in its bedrooms."

Now we're talking. I want to hear more about this!

No doubt prostitution :whisper:





Did anyone post this yet? I believe it's the old Huley Bell. 3801 E. Coast Hwy., Corona del Mar CA

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...921/Z790FG.jpg
https://www.ocregister.com/2010/08/1...-has-bargains/

Or did I mix up the information :shrug:

update:

I rechecked; It is the Hurley Bell.
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Aerial of the Hurley Bell [late 1930s]

It's much LARGER than I expected....and take a look at that roof-top sign. (hmmm, the sign seems awfully long just to spell out 'Hurley Bell')

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/yHmCIe.jpg
sidedoor


Below: As GW stated earlier (plus something about a bungalow next door)

"The glitz and glamour ultimately faded and the once regal Hurley Bell fell from grace as rumors circulated about illegal gambling
in her bar and the small bungalow next door. Furthermore, some suspected that certain prohibited “business transactions”
occurred in her upstairs bedrooms."
from sidedoor



A glimpse inside the bar. [during the seedy years?]

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...923/zAmSZK.jpg
sidedoor

I spy a gambling wheel....so yes.

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