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As for 400 LSD, they will be doing one tower at a time. They will probably start with the shorter tower since the foundation is already there, and once its fully leased out, begin the taller one along the river, and probably not right away either, since more than likely we will enter a recession in the next two years, around the time the first tower is nearing completion. I have no doubt they will be able to see everything through themselves, without needing to bring in partners or part with any of the properties. Now, whether we want them to give the land up so that better designing, less VE-oriented developers can take over is another matter entirely :) |
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The mention of the two buildings being joined by a podium is a bit concerning. If they don't use the existing bathtub for underground parking....
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Zara Hadid's concept for the site wasn't bad - fingers crossed for the real design!
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Instead of two towers why don't they just build a single 1850 ft tower?. :???:
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The bigger concern is the Illinois economy and population loss. We are one progressive income tax away from major economic disruption to the Chicago economy.
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^ Star Wars towers. I like 'em.
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This looks like its reasonable in its scope. While the site would have been ideal for something much taller, realistically, this might have a chance. Which is good. Better than a hole in the ground.
I think everyone would of loved a mega-tall, but in the world of economics, what is built will have to make sense financially and based on the current market. This is good news regardless. |
I've really been thinking about this project lately, and I will reserve judgement until I actually see a design.
Expectations are high, and that wasn't just revolving around height and scale. Reading everyone's comments, I come to the conclusion that we've all become a bit spoiled. Yes... we were all hoping for something about 1,500', but realistically, I think we all knew that was a long shot. Over the past 7 months, we've had three announced skyscrapers that'll meet or exceed 1,000'. Think about that... None of us expected One Chicago Square to be to towers ranging from 660' t0 1,011'... Three weeks ago we got Tribune East at over 1,400' And now this... While I too was hoping for something taller, we have an evolving skyline right before our eyes. So instead of bitching and zoning, how about waiting until Tuesday, or when the renderings come out...? |
between those three at least one should get built. My money is on OCS
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Pretty much everyone bitching never takes this degree of financial risk in trying to get a project off the ground. I'd rather two solid, relatively tall buildings that add density and urban activity than a rotting hole in the ground. |
I too will hold judgment till i see the design..never the less we all have been through a lot with this site for the past 8 years or so..our expectations have been raised to a high standard and having the disappointment that the project will be topping at only 1000ft (yes i know were spoiled for complaining not tall enough) at such a prominent site it is totally understandable.. i think if it was 1200 feet people would of been satisfied to be honest.
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That's basically my view on it. 1200 would have sufficed and been a nice exclamation point in Streeterville. At 1000 feet it'll get lost in the shuffle other than from one or two views. Probably just gonna turn my brain off on this one and just enjoy it for what really is, filling in that blight and embarrassment on the city
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I agree with the notion that people have become too accustomed or even "spoiled" to the idea of having a tower of 1400+ feet on this site. Obviously because at one point there was going to be a 2000 footer there - but that was a different time in many ways. TWO towers including a 1000 footer are great - and within a few blocks of the lake, there really aren't that many (I mean only a few really) of these heights. Proposal wise, it's a pretty exciting time in Chicago - yes could be higher, but still.
I remember a small handful of years ago when some people were complaining that nothing being built at the time in Chicago was over 500 feet. There's currently 3 under construction of over 800 feet, including one which is over 1100 feet with one more 800 footer on the way (site prep) and another 3 between 600 and 800 feet. Then we've had a 1400 footer and another 1000 footer proposed in the last handful of months. On Tuesday, it'll be the 3rd 1000+ footer proposed in a small handful of months... To be honest, I'm more worried about the design. Height is great, but if the design sucks then people aren't going to care at the end of the day really. |
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Was correct about the two towers part and the firm though. Can't always have what we want. |
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I think that these towers will be beautiful. Multiple set backs on two very tall towers sounds great to me.
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Even an architecture layman, like me, understands that the height of a thing doesn't matter much. How in interacts at the ground level, how it makes the neighborhood more livable... that's what matters.
Full disclosure, while I liked the design of the Spire, I always thought it was a bit bizarre to build a mega tall there. 1k seems much more suitable, but it has to look pretty cause we're gonna see it forever. |
Suffice it to say, it's readily apparent that we have a bunch of new Corsucant-style Chicago SSPers in our midst right now.
Personally, I'll take Chicago's urban fabric any day, any night over a massive sea of supertalls such as Dubai. I know there's a happy medium somewhere, but personally I'll lean closer to Chicago than Dubai when it comes to livability! For those such as Siriusly, I do honestly suggest toning it down more than a little bit. Your brash and insulting posts are doing little more than piss off pretty much everyone else in the Chicago SSP contingent. I understand your passion for skyscrapers and supertalls, but wow, tone it down, would you please??? Aaron (Glowrock) |
Off topic posts deleted. nothing good ever comes from the incessant dick measuring contests.
Anyone who mentions NYC or any NYC project in this thread is getting suspended. For a really long time. Perhaps forever. |
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That being said... I don't need to see a supertall here. We can have an iconic, unique sculptural design that will be a fitting centerpiece for the skyline without the unrealistic expectation of a 2000' tall tower that will never make business sense... |
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Something sensual and fluid would be nice given it's where the river meets the lake. However, i wouldn't want an object building. Those always look so cheesy. But sensual would be good.
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I'm hoping for two totally featureless glass boxes that Related will VE to the point where they literally ditch the glass and go with Saran Wrap (TM) as the cladding. Also hoping the Tribune is wrong and the tallest tower is 999' 11" just to fuck with everyone here.
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i knew that with related involved the pipe dream of a mega-tall on this site was just that, a pipe dream. but when i heard the rumor of "way taller" than 875', i foolishly allowed my imagination to wander and thought to myself "shit, maybe related really will go big here, maybe up to 1,500' and take the local title away from sears". but no, that was always gonna be pretty unlikely considering the fact that were' talking about related. a 14% difference doesn't fall under my personal definition of "way", but at least it sounds like they're proposing something in the super-tall range, so while it won't be skyline redefining, it'll still be tall enough to stand out in its immediate surroundings. let's just hope the design doesn't disappoint. i guess we'll find that out soon enough. |
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http://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/NqxNZ....15_20AM.0.png http://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/OkD_n....46_20AM.0.png Perkins + Will released renderings of a conceptual twin-towered project for the Spire site (rendering by Perkins + Will) - 2014 |
can't find my magic wand or I'd hand this to Jeanne Gang and say do whatever you want
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I love seeing everyone go through the five stages of grief in real time.
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Denial: Maybe they fed the Sun Times the wrong info just to mess with us.
Anger: WHERE'S MY TWO-THOUSAND FOOTER?! Bargaining: But really, who would want a megatall here anyway, right? Depression: Stupid 2008 recession. Acceptance: Welp, just so long as it looks good. |
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I'm probably in the minority here, but i'd rather 2 towers at ~1,000ft and ~800ft than 1 ~1,500 foot tower....As long as they look good.
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I know that the leak about terracotta elements being included in the design was true because I had it confirmed. If the cladding is all glass then I'm fairly certain that the design has already gone through some VE'ing. |
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It'll look just as good and be constructed using the same quality of materials as the other 850 ft tall tower that Related is building nearby and marketing to high net worth individuals. |
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My body is ready ...
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Lets hope Related thinks big... or at the very least, they think not cheap. :fingerscrossed: |
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