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Jim in Chicago Jul 17, 2018 3:23 PM

I don't know the details, but someone once wrote up the DP1 situation and how there are multiple overlapping associations. It is something like:

Master association that governs the entire development
Property association (certainly not the name) that governs landscaping, security, etc. (this may be the Master Association)
I believe the Parking Garage(s) are another association.
Then I believe that the high rises are a separate association (or maybe 2) from the townhouses. Again, the "white ones" and the newer ones closer to Roosevelt may be separate as well.

I'd love to see a write up from someone who actually has the true dope.

I don't know whether the retirement home at the corner of Polk and Clark is part of DP1 or not.I don't even know if their condos or rental.

Oh - those newer ones closer to Roosevelt are not prime property. We toured one on our house hunt and we walking away muttering "grim". At least some if not all of them are tow stacked upits, the spaces are smallish and the lower units are dark. I doubt many would shed a tear if those were replaced with the originally planned high rise. At this point the hood could certainly support it.

Mr Downtown Jul 17, 2018 3:55 PM

Dearborn Park Phase I has eight master associations:
  • 801 South Plymouth (which is a master association with Terraces, townhouses, and garage associations within it).
  • 899 South Plymouth highrise (the retail space, currently divided among three tenants, is just a unit like any other)
  • 901 South Plymouth highrise (owns their garage)
  • 1115 South Plymouth midrise
  • 1145 South Plymouth midrise
  • 1169 South Plymouth midrise (each midrise is a master association with two little townhouse groups along State Street).
  • Townhouses of Dearborn Park (144 in seven clusters)
  • Garden Homes of Dearborn Park (the group I described above)
DP1 also includes The Oaks, a senior rental building owned by Draper & Kramer. There is no master association for the whole compound; the security contract is divided up based on a handshake agreement from the 1980s.

Jim in Chicago Jul 17, 2018 4:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr Downtown (Post 8253559)
Dearborn Park Phase I has eight master associations:
  • 801 South Plymouth (which is a master association with Terraces, townhouses, and garage associations within it).
  • 899 South Plymouth highrise (the retail space, currently divided among three tenants, is just a unit like any other)
  • 901 South Plymouth highrise (owns their garage)
  • 1115 South Plymouth midrise
  • 1145 South Plymouth midrise
  • 1169 South Plymouth midrise (each midrise is a master association with two little townhouse groups along State Street).
  • Townhouses of Dearborn Park (144 in seven clusters)
  • Garden Homes of Dearborn Park (the group I described above)

Thanks for the list. More than I even thought, although I somehow thought there also was a master association, which isn't the case.

So, a hypothetical question, actually a couple:

Let's say there is actually a serious proposal to cut through access from Clark at Taylor. For the purpose of argument it would cut through and eliminate the open space between two townhouse clusters (within an single association) and connect to the existing east/west street that connects to State. How many of the associations would need to give approval? Has that section of street ever been officially closed, or does it still exist as a right of way? Could the city just say "we're doing this?"

Similar question for if a developer had an agreement to buy out the owners of the townhouse cluster at Roosevelt/Plymouth, and they had the required number of votes from that association. Do the other associations have a voice as well?

This could get really gnarly.

Mr Downtown Jul 17, 2018 4:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim in Chicago (Post 8253586)
Let's say there is actually a serious proposal to cut through access from Clark at Taylor. For the purpose of argument it would cut through and eliminate the open space between two townhouse clusters (within an single association) and connect to the existing east/west street that connects to State. How many of the associations would need to give approval?

If you mean at 9th, one—or possibly, none at all. Read on.

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Has that section of street ever been officially closed, or does it still exist as a right of way?
Ninth Street exists all the way to Clark, but is not currently open to traffic. 11th Place, just north of Roosevelt Park, was closed to vehicular traffic but never vacated. Same with Federal between 11th Pl. and Roosevelt.

The angled part of Park Terrace is technically Taylor St., and south of that, Park Terrace and Clark are actually a single public right-of-way. In 2002, I tried to persuade CDOT to create an opening there as part of the reconstruction of Clark St., but the bid package had already gone out calling for replacing the fence.

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if a developer had an agreement to buy out the owners of the townhouse cluster at Roosevelt/Plymouth, and they had the required number of votes from that association. Do the other associations have a voice as well?
Legally, no—though of course a savvy alderman might give them one.

Jim in Chicago Jul 17, 2018 5:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr Downtown (Post 8253632)
If you mean at 9th, one—or possibly, none at all. Read on.



Ninth Street exists all the way to Clark, but is not currently open to traffic. 11th Place, just north of Roosevelt Park, was closed to vehicular traffic but never vacated. Same with Federal between 11th Pl. and Roosevelt.

The angled part of Park Terrace is technically Taylor St., and south of that, Park Terrace and Clark are actually a single public right-of-way. In 2002, I tried to persuade CDOT to create an opening there as part of the reconstruction of Clark St., but the bid package had already gone out calling for replacing the fence.



Legally, no—though of course a savvy alderman might give them one.

Yeah - I meant 9th street. That will teach me to post without having a map open. So, back to my question. Since 9th street was never vacated, does this mean the city could just open it? Those Town House people would go ape shit.

ardecila Jul 17, 2018 6:18 PM

Sounds like:

Reopening the grid is a political problem only - could (probably) legally reopen barriers at 9th, 11th Place, and 15th tomorrow if the alderman or mayor were willing to steamroll the residents. The 15th one may actually happen if the 78's new Red Line station moves forward. It's not even internal to Dearborn Park and, apparently, our current mayor no longer employs a personal trainer who lives on that block. (What a weird 90s version of Chicago cronyism, Mike Royko would have had a field day)

Redeveloping Dearborn Park to something more intense is a developer problem AND a political problem - convincing the residents of any one Dearborn Park slice to sell out, and convincing the alderman to allow a PD revision/zoning change over the objections of all the other slices. Since it's all in a PD, there is no as-of-right redevelopment option, any changes to the approved plan have to go through City Council.

Mr Downtown Jul 17, 2018 7:06 PM

When the Near South Community Plan proposed mere pedestrian and cycling access through Dearborn Park, some small group of residents went apeshit enough that Ald. Haithcock squelched even a toothless recommendation in a roundly ignored planning document. The number of hostile faxes her office had supposedly received grew with every retelling, until it was higher than attendance at Trump's inaugural.

Technically, yes, CDOT could simply open up 9th, 11th, and 15th. The occupation of 9th by a townhouse playground would require some sort of negotiation, I suppose.

As for redevelopment, I'm not sure the original PD would have to be amended for my scheme, as it allowed 250 units in Subarea F, where the 51 Garden Homes were eventually built instead. (Subarea A, the White Townhouses, only allows the 144 units that exist there now.) Several of the DPII subareas also have unit allowances much higher than what eventually got built.

left of center Jul 18, 2018 2:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the urban politician (Post 8253435)
Where there's a will, and demand, there's a way.

Right now there is still too much developable land in the South Loop so nothing will happen for the forseeable future. But combine diminishing vacant sites with higher property values, perhaps a new L stop (for the 78), and aging of the Dearborn Park properties to the point where there will be a substantial increase in maintenance costs, and eventually that whole neighborhood will be vanquished.

I'm pretty sure the city will have a lot of leverage with a developer who wants to upzone DP parcels that he plans to develop, one of which would be to force him to reconnect some streets that are currently cul de sac'd or walled off.

The upkeep on those buildings definitely has to be catching up to the residents. Here is a listing to a unit in one of the taller condo buildings along State. The HOA fee is damn near 800/mo! That's double the monthly property tax escrow. While I'm sure it includes things like water, and/or internet and TV service (heat is electric, so that would most likely fall under the owners ComEd bill. Also, no central air!?), it still seems like a crazy amount. No doubt a lot of it is going to maintenance and repairs.

Give it a quarter century. Once every spare lot between Congress and Cermak is spoken for, Dearborn Park is coming down.

SIGSEGV Jul 18, 2018 4:22 AM

After puncturing through 9th and 11th street (and perhaps... shudder... adding a stairway down from Roosevelt to Roosevelt Park), there still remain the RI tracks. Maybe we can get a fancy pedestrian bridge from the Park above the British International School to Clark somehow...

Bonsai Tree Jul 18, 2018 2:55 PM

I think that the biggest catalysts for change in Dearborn Park and the area just south (including the Roosevelt Collection) will not be the usage of all northern lots. The lots to the north of Dearborn Park will take much longer than 25 years to be used up. Most of those lots are more optimally designed for 19th century buildings than 21st century buildings. I'm not saying it won't happen, and I'd love to see some of the clever techniques architects will use in these spaces, but it will take time. The biggest catalysts for change will be Riverline/Southbank (whatever they are calling it now) and the 78. Once these projects are completed and/or near completion there will be huge momentum in the South Loop. Dearborn Park will be steamrolled into submission. :shrug:

Jim in Chicago Jul 18, 2018 3:29 PM

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Originally Posted by left of center (Post 8254264)
The upkeep on those buildings definitely has to be catching up to the residents. Here is a listing to a unit in one of the taller condo buildings along State. The HOA fee is damn near 800/mo! That's double the monthly property tax escrow. While I'm sure it includes things like water, and/or internet and TV service (heat is electric, so that would most likely fall under the owners ComEd bill. Also, no central air!?), it still seems like a crazy amount. No doubt a lot of it is going to maintenance and repairs.

Give it a quarter century. Once every spare lot between Congress and Cermak is spoken for, Dearborn Park is coming down.

That $800 isn't out of line. Assuming the square footage is correct, that works out to $0.56 per square foot, and that building has door staff. I'm in a sort of similar building without door staff (which is a huge expense) and I'm paying $.54 per square foot, so about the same. That goes to: maintenance of common spaces, interior and exterior, garbage service, RCN 50mpg internet and basic cable, DVR included, payments into a reserve fund. Taxes and insurance on the common spaces, professional management services. Security system and maintenance on 2 elevators. The only special we've had was 10 years ago when we did roof replacement and city-mandated work on the building facade in the same year. The owners pay their own gas and electric - they run under $100 in the cold months, and more in the summer with the AC running.

left of center Jul 18, 2018 5:38 PM

Interesting. My only experience with the association expenses of a large condo building is a friend of mine who used to live at 700 W Van Buren. Similar to your building, no doorman but has several elevators. HOA included internet & cable TV, water (including hot water), garbage, and all other related maintenance and fund replenishment needs. It was $275 for a 950 sqft 2 bed 2 bath unit, or about $0.29/sqft.

I now feel spoiled with my condo building's self managed HOA, which works out to just under $0.08/sqft. Granted, we don't have elevators and it does not include internet. Its also a much smaller building (3 flat) and its self managed, which greatly decreases the cost. The building being fairly new (2006 construction) helps as well, I'm sure.

AMWChicago Sep 14, 2018 6:22 AM

So this thread has been dead for a while, but I walked by the site today and saw some action. A couple cars driving on site and what appears to be large portions of a facade scattered about. All of which I haven't seen on site before. Curious what people on here think of it, and if it means anything lol.

https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1900/...5c2b2def_c.jpgIMG_0641 by Andrew W, on Flickr

https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1847/...4bc1ed09_c.jpgIMG_6932 by Andrew W, on Flickr

killaviews Sep 14, 2018 6:32 AM

Kinda looks like One Bennett Park parts. It’s a place where Related can store things at no cost.

AMWChicago Sep 14, 2018 8:01 AM

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Originally Posted by killaviews (Post 8314308)
Kinda looks like One Bennett Park parts. It’s a place where Related can store things at no cost.

Oooo. That's a really interesting theory. Didn't even cross my mind. Would be funny if this were the case lol

the urban politician Sep 14, 2018 1:18 PM

That’s part of the structure for the platform on which the Amazon HQ2 announcement will be made Monday, according to documents that I’m holding in my hand...

Skyguy_7 Sep 14, 2018 3:22 PM

^ Ha Ha you funny guy.

killa probably nailed it. There are a few more floors of facade to go at One Bennett. Makes sense to store here til they sign the deed over to Amazon. :tup:

KWillChicago Sep 14, 2018 4:51 PM

Is this a practice used often? Storage of materials on multiple sites of the same owner? The one that is really going to blow my mind is how and where they will stage for WPS. Isnt it too shallow for a barge?

ardecila Sep 14, 2018 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by KWillChicago (Post 8314800)
Is this a practice used often? Storage of materials on multiple sites of the same owner? The one that is really going to blow my mind is how and where they will stage for WPS. Isnt it too shallow for a barge?

Generally the panels at OBP are picked directly off the truck and lifted into position. There's not much room on site to store these enormous panels, and it's much safer to keep them strapped down to the trailer until ready for use. I believe they are starting to rebuild the actual park itself, so the limited room they did have for staging is now getting even smaller.

The framing for the penthouse levels at OBP seems way behind schedule. Possibly the precaster is forcing Lendlease to take delivery of the remaining facade panels for the penthouse level even when they're not ready to install, so Related allowed Lendlease to park the trucks on their enormous piece of vacant downtown land.

PittsburghPA Sep 14, 2018 11:48 PM

I was next to one of these trucks yesterday on its way to OBP on Ohio near Michigan. I was shocked at how thick the panels were.

DePaul Bunyan Sep 15, 2018 2:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim in Chicago (Post 8254651)
That $800 isn't out of line. Assuming the square footage is correct, that works out to $0.56 per square foot, and that building has door staff. I'm in a sort of similar building without door staff (which is a huge expense) and I'm paying $.54 per square foot, so about the same. That goes to: maintenance of common spaces, interior and exterior, garbage service, RCN 50mpg internet and basic cable, DVR included, payments into a reserve fund. Taxes and insurance on the common spaces, professional management services. Security system and maintenance on 2 elevators. The only special we've had was 10 years ago when we did roof replacement and city-mandated work on the building facade in the same year. The owners pay their own gas and electric - they run under $100 in the cold months, and more in the summer with the AC running.

$800 is insane for a property that you supposedly own. It's like adding rent on top of property taxes and a mortgage.

Mr Downtown Sep 17, 2018 2:15 AM

Yes, Related tells me they're letting a couple of contractors use the property for staging areas. Those are indeed One Bennett Park panels.

Suiram Sep 21, 2018 2:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr Downtown (Post 8316866)
Yes, Related tells me they're letting a couple of contractors use the property for staging areas. Those are indeed One Bennett Park panels.

Makes sense since before they had about 2 acres of staging area but now that they're well into building the park the space available is substantially smaller.

10023 Sep 21, 2018 5:43 AM

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Originally Posted by DePaul Bunyan (Post 8315728)
$800 is insane for a property that you supposedly own. It's like adding rent on top of property taxes and a mortgage.

What the hell are you renting for $800/mo?

That seems pretty fair for common charges and maintenance to me. I’ve looked at 2 bedrooms in Brooklyn where the monthly maintenance is over $2k.

Jim in Chicago Sep 21, 2018 3:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DePaul Bunyan (Post 8315728)
$800 is insane for a property that you supposedly own. It's like adding rent on top of property taxes and a mortgage.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim in Chicago (Post 8254651)
That $800 isn't out of line. Assuming the square footage is correct, that works out to $0.56 per square foot, and that building has door staff. I'm in a sort of similar building without door staff (which is a huge expense) and I'm paying $.54 per square foot, so about the same. That goes to: maintenance of common spaces, interior and exterior, garbage service, RCN 50mpg internet and basic cable, DVR included, payments into a reserve fund. Taxes and insurance on the common spaces, professional management services. Security system and maintenance on 2 elevators. The only special we've had was 10 years ago when we did roof replacement and city-mandated work on the building facade in the same year. The owners pay their own gas and electric - they run under $100 in the cold months, and more in the summer with the AC running.

No, it isn't, did you see the list of stuff that the assessment pays for? My homeowners insurance alone is a fraction of what it was when I owned a house. I added everything up before we moved, and the total outlay is less than we were paying for various services and utilities on the house. A roof replacement on the house cost the equivalent of at leave a couple years assessment on the condo.

Quote:

Originally Posted by 10023 (Post 8321981)
What the hell are you renting for $800/mo?

That seems pretty fair for common charges and maintenance to me. I’ve looked at 2 bedrooms in Brooklyn where the monthly maintenance is over $2k.


DePaul Bunyan Sep 22, 2018 12:11 AM

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Originally Posted by 10023 (Post 8321981)
What the hell are you renting for $800/mo?

That seems pretty fair for common charges and maintenance to me. I’ve looked at 2 bedrooms in Brooklyn where the monthly maintenance is over $2k.

My girlfriend and I pay $1300 for 2BR/1BA with new hardwood, granite/SS kitchen, in-unit W/D, dishwasher, gas and water included. Jetted soaking tub, big walk-in closet. Over 1000 square feet. Crappy studios and 1BR go for $800-1000/month around here (city and suburbs). I had a big 1BR (not updated) with garage parking for $939 a month back in 2015.

Different priorities I guess. I would never live somewhere with $800 a month in condo/HOA fees.

SoLoop Sep 27, 2018 12:41 AM

Amazon was back last month.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/busine...926-story.html

bnk Sep 27, 2018 1:04 AM

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Originally Posted by SoLoop (Post 8327397)

Anyone got a link beyond the paywall on this.

I swore I was a subscriber to the Trib and Crains.

Not sure why I'm being blocked out.

EDIT never mind I got though.

EDIT again

Nothing new in the link other than Amazon HQ2 re-visiting the site in the best month ever to see Chicago

Its possible HQ2 could be split 2 to 3 ways and see how things go before they totally leave Seattle ala Boeing.


Beasts the shit out of early March.

marothisu Sep 27, 2018 1:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SoLoop (Post 8327397)

That's good. I'm curious as to how many other cities they made return trips to..

Notyrview Sep 27, 2018 1:37 AM

God talk about an epic coup if it actually happens.

SIGSEGV Sep 27, 2018 2:00 AM

It's a relatively good spot as far it goes (a short walk from the Red/Green/Orange Line, and would be a quick/easy shuttle ride from train stations down an extended Wells), but as someone who currently rents in the South Loop and may eventually want to buy something in the area... please go to Lincoln Yards!

F1 Tommy Sep 27, 2018 4:18 PM

This would be very interesting for Chicago even if they did something like break the second headquarters up between 2 cities. Take out the states situation and Chicagoland would be a no brainer.

gebs Sep 27, 2018 6:04 PM

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Originally Posted by SIGSEGV (Post 8327476)
It's a relatively good spot as far it goes (a short walk from the Red/Green/Orange Line, and would be a quick/easy shuttle ride from train stations down an extended Wells), but as someone who currently rents in the South Loop and may eventually want to buy something in the area... please go to Lincoln Yards!

I think this just means you should buy now and cross your fingers a little harder.

Randomguy34 Oct 30, 2018 6:21 PM

The 78 is going to be on November's plan commission:
Quote:

A proposed planned development submitted by Roosevelt/Clark Partners, LLC., for the property generally located at 101-213 W. Roosevelt Rd and 1200-1558 S Clark Street. The site is currently zoned DS-3 (Downtown Service); the applicant is proposing to rezone the site to a DX-5 (Downtown Mixed Use), and then to a Waterway Business Residential Planned Development. The proposal will establish four subareas (A, B, C and D) with a maximum of 10,000 dwelling units, allow for the development of several mixed-use buildings, allow for ground floor commercial space, publicly accessible open spaces, riverwalk and accessory parking spaces to be built in multiple phases. The applicant may seek 0.65 in bonus FAR (Floor Area Ratio) per the Neighborhood Opportunity Bonus Program, bringing the total FAR of the project to 5.65 (19686; 25th Ward)
https://www.cityofchicago.org/conten...018_Agenda.pdf

Kngkyle Oct 30, 2018 6:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Randomguy34 (Post 8362721)
The 78 is going to be on November's plan commission:

https://www.cityofchicago.org/conten...018_Agenda.pdf

So that comes to a maximum of 15.2 million sqft of buildings if I'm calculating that correctly. Roughly the size of Hudson Yards but spread out over a much larger site.

Skyguy_7 Oct 30, 2018 6:50 PM

The Plan Commission is releasing coded notifications now.... :runaway:

"A proposed planned developMent submitted by Roosevelt/ClArk Partners, LLC., for the property generally located at 101-213 W. Roosevelt Rd and 1200-1558 S Clark Street. The site is currently ZONed DS-3 (Downtown Service); the applicant is proposing to rezone the site to a DX-5 (Downtown Mixed Use), and then to a Waterway Business Residential Planned Development. The proposal will establish four subareas (A, B, C and D) with a maximum of 10,000 dwelling units, allow for the development of several mixed-use buildings, allow for ground floor commercial space, publicly accessible open spaces, riverwalk and accessory parking spaces to be built in multiple phases. The applicant may seek 0.65 in bonus FAR (Floor Area Ratio) per the Neighborhood Opportunity Bonus Program, bringing the total FAR of the project to 5.65 (19686; 25th Ward)"

LouisVanDerWright Oct 30, 2018 7:02 PM

But seriously though... Right on time for instant approval after the post-election announcement of the Amazon HQ2 location...

left of center Oct 30, 2018 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Skyguy_7 (Post 8362780)
The Plan Commission is releasing coded notifications now.... :runaway:

"A proposed planned developMent submitted by Roosevelt/ClArk Partners, LLC., for the property generally located at 101-213 W. Roosevelt Rd and 1200-1558 S Clark Street. The site is currently ZONed DS-3 (Downtown Service); the applicant is proposing to rezone the site to a DX-5 (Downtown Mixed Use), and then to a Waterway Business Residential Planned Development. The proposal will establish four subareas (A, B, C and D) with a maximum of 10,000 dwelling units, allow for the development of several mixed-use buildings, allow for ground floor commercial space, publicly accessible open spaces, riverwalk and accessory parking spaces to be built in multiple phases. The applicant may seek 0.65 in bonus FAR (Floor Area Ratio) per the Neighborhood Opportunity Bonus Program, bringing the total FAR of the project to 5.65 (19686; 25th Ward)"

I see what you did there :cheers:

k1052 Oct 30, 2018 11:31 PM

City certainly is making it rain approvals of huge projects recently with the Trib site, LSE, and now this. LY is the only major thing outstanding that I can think of.

marothisu Oct 30, 2018 11:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skyguy_7 (Post 8362780)
The Plan Commission is releasing coded notifications now.... :runaway:

"A proposed planned developMent submitted by Roosevelt/ClArk Partners, LLC., for the property generally located at 101-213 W. Roosevelt Rd and 1200-1558 S Clark Street. The site is currently ZONed DS-3 (Downtown Service); the applicant is proposing to rezone the site to a DX-5 (Downtown Mixed Use), and then to a Waterway Business Residential Planned Development. The proposal will establish four subareas (A, B, C and D) with a maximum of 10,000 dwelling units, allow for the development of several mixed-use buildings, allow for ground floor commercial space, publicly accessible open spaces, riverwalk and accessory parking spaces to be built in multiple phases. The applicant may seek 0.65 in bonus FAR (Floor Area Ratio) per the Neighborhood Opportunity Bonus Program, bringing the total FAR of the project to 5.65 (19686; 25th Ward)"

LOL this made my day.

BonoboZill4 Oct 30, 2018 11:44 PM

Woot!

bnk Oct 31, 2018 12:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skyguy_7 (Post 8362780)
The Plan Commission is releasing coded notifications now.... :runaway:

"A proposed planned developMent submitted by Roosevelt/ClArk Partners, LLC., for the property generally located at 101-213 W. Roosevelt Rd and 1200-1558 S Clark Street. The site is currently ZONed DS-3 (Downtown Service); the applicant is proposing to rezone the site to a DX-5 (Downtown Mixed Use), and then to a Waterway Business Residential Planned Development. The proposal will establish four subareas (A, B, C and D) with a maximum of 10,000 dwelling units, allow for the development of several mixed-use buildings, allow for ground floor commercial space, publicly accessible open spaces, riverwalk and accessory parking spaces to be built in multiple phases. The applicant may seek 0.65 in bonus FAR (Floor Area Ratio) per the Neighborhood Opportunity Bonus Program, bringing the total FAR of the project to 5.65 (19686; HQ 2 25th Ward)"


Fixed it for you

LouisVanDerWright Oct 31, 2018 2:32 AM

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Originally Posted by bnk (Post 8363238)
Fixed it for you

Lol I want to require this to the HQ2 thread to cause a tizzy...

Skyguy_7 Oct 31, 2018 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by bnk (Post 8363238)
Fixed it for you

Of course I was kidding earlier, but "HQ 2 25th Ward" has zero meaning, so now I definitely think it's a coded message :haha:

maru2501 Oct 31, 2018 1:31 PM

raining approvals because Rahm is ramming stuff through before he leaves, I am sure

Khantilever Oct 31, 2018 10:32 PM

SOM's model of the 78, from Open House Chicago
 
https://preview.ibb.co/cXqGL0/IMG-4971.jpg

left of center Oct 31, 2018 11:00 PM

Jesus, thats an entire mid-sized city skyline being plopped down into the South Loop.

Yes please!

Randomguy34 Oct 31, 2018 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Khantilever (Post 8364393)

I recall the tallest tower in The 78 being 950 ft. This will help give Chicago two distinct peaks in it's skyline, kinda like how NYC has peaks at Midtown and Lower Manhattan

HomrQT Nov 1, 2018 12:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Randomguy34 (Post 8364479)
I recall the tallest tower in The 78 being 950 ft. This will help give Chicago two distinct peaks in it's skyline, kinda like how NYC has peaks at Midtown and Lower Manhattan

I've always dreamed that one day Uptown would be our visual Lower Manhattan. And then maybe even further into the future Evanston would become a third little skyscraper cluster.

BonoboZill4 Nov 1, 2018 3:42 AM

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Originally Posted by HomrQT (Post 8364495)
I've always dreamed that one day Uptown would be our visual Lower Manhattan. And then maybe even further into the future Evanston would become a third little skyscraper cluster.

Much more likely that the extension goes south through Bronzeville, Douglas, and to Hyde Park because of the trend of developments and less NIMBYism that way(plus the Michael Reese site and the 78 pulling things south and promoting South side developments for the next several decades)

People forget the 78(when including Ping Tom Park) stretches almost all the way down to Cermak, and the Michael Reese site will go down to 31st!


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