I would consider the subway stop absolutely essential.
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You're kidding right. A subway station here connects you to the station at Roosevelt where you can transfer to the Green or Orange Lines as well as the station at Jackson that lets you transfer to the Blue and is half a block (within line of sight) of the Brown Line stop at Library. Further from the Loop you have access to the express buses heading south and north as well as the East/West bus routes which run through the Loop Link. I spent 12 years car-less in the city. This is absolutely a great location for a subway station and putting one here will definitely make living without a car a lot easier. |
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I'm just saying that if a subway stop here isn't built on day one, it's not the disaster that Emathias is predicting. You can still have a car light population here. Just because a subway stop is here doesn't mean people would use it for daily errands like groceries, etc, and commuting downtown is not easy by any measure by automobile. The best way to create a car light population is to have many resources available within walking distance. I do hope they build the subway stop sooner than later, though |
https://www.facebook.com/hellosouthl...c_location=ufi
Not sure if you need to be a member of this group to view the video... but the cries of "this will kill all our children" were very strong... https://related.box.com/s/q25w61osya...4l4ci2fxljx5yf |
^ No, you don’t need to be a member to view. Obviously there is opposition to the subway stop, but the crowd seems generally supportive or agnostic about The 78 itself, and it’s hard to tell from the video how many people actually showed up to oppose the station. The “Save Cottontail Park” FB group only has 36 members, nothing like the opposition we are seeing to Lincoln Yards for example. This is really a Dearborn Park specific issue, not something that is likely to stir up opposition from the broader South Loop.
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^ agree that the opposition is focused on the new proposed redline stop and not the "78" itself necessarily... was actually kind of impressed with the design of the stop presented by Carol Ross Barney herself...
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By "New York style" station I meant with no mezzanine, stairs down, fare control, right into the platform. I don't see why a station attendant needs to be at all entrances (plenty of stations have secondary entrances unmanned), and depending on how deep the tunnel is, digging slightly wider for stairs wouldn't be that hard. They're is also zero need to switch platforms at 15th, since there are no connections and if you missed your stop, you can switch back at Roosevelt or Cermak, both if which have center platforms. But my suggestion is really only valid if the trains are running just below the surface there, like they do on Broadway or Lexington in Manhattan. |
Maybe going a little off-topic discussing the bus routes, but having some sort of bus terminal near "The 78" will really improve access.
Extend routes from the north side that end downtown. The 22-Clark is a very frequent, 24 hour bus that already ends at Polk. It would be a few more blocks to 16th St. Other buses that could be extended would be the 36-Broadway and the 147-Outer Drive. The 24-Wentworth could be rerouted to the Wells-Wentworth connector, as could the 37-Sedgwick. It could make sense to bring the 37 down to McCormick Place also. On State, there is the 29-State and the 62-Archer. Maybe the walk could be improved or made more obvious in some way. The 44-Wallace-Racine could be extended via Archer, Wentworth, 16th, State, and Roosevelt to provide a Bridgeport and Englewood connection. The last change (and maybe one that would have an impact on existing riders) would be rerouting the 18-16th/18th across the river along 18th, then along State St to the Roosevelt station. This would provide a connection between the site area (and Chinatown kind of) and Pilsen and North Lawndale. |
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Oh boy that station looks stunning if you ask me, not sure why some of the opposition as described in the article, considering it's only a temporary closing of cotton tail park.
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The problem is that apparently there's serious infrastructure stacked up under Clark: a big water main, an MWRD collector, and then the old freight tunnel full of ComEd and/or fiber optics. Related would have preferred to put the station on their side of Clark, but it just looked too difficult. After the reaction they got at the Dearborn Park II meeting last week, they've vowed to "take another look."
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The infrastructure work on this project(including the riverwalk) will be far more impressive and interesting to watch than any of the buildings that will go up here, that's a guarantee
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The plans for the 78 show a stoplight at 15th and Clark so I don't think crossing the street will be a problem.
When is Wells/Wentworth connector supposed to start? Possibly summer 2019? |
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