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ithakas Aug 23, 2015 12:02 AM

CHICAGO | NEMA Chicago | 896 FT | 81 FLOORS
 
Not too revealing, but I believe this might be new?

http://www.crescentheights.com/comme...gan-roosevelt/

https://cdn0.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/Xqp.../vinoly3.0.jpg


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http://i67.tinypic.com/o511kw.jpg

1255 S Indian Avenue | Chicago IL
PLANNED

Located on historic Michigan Avenue overlooking Chicago’s iconic Grant Park
Easy access to I-55, I-90/94 and Lake Shore Drive
Major intersection with steady foot traffic to Soldier Field, Shedd Aquarium, Museum Campus and Lake Michigan
Approximately 1,900 units with over 30,000 SF of retail
On site garage parking
EDIT: Updated renderings

https://im1.shutterfly.com/media/47a...D720/ry%3D480/

http://i1039.photobucket.com/albums/...ps2dxfyj5d.jpg

https://im1.shutterfly.com/media/47a...D720/ry%3D480/

Randomguy34 Aug 23, 2015 2:04 AM

^ Is that the Vinoly tower? If so, I'm a little bit disappointed by the base. I am liking that unit count though, is it still going to be 750-850 ft?

Steely Dan Aug 23, 2015 2:19 AM

1,900 units?????

Holy sweet flying fuck!!!!!

The base looks promising..... it looks chicago..... the south wall desperately needs some chicago.....

the urban politician Aug 23, 2015 2:23 AM

^ That doesn't even make sense for just one tower. Is that for twin towers?

spyguy Aug 23, 2015 2:53 AM

I would think both, though it seems a bit higher than originally reported:

http://www.crenews.com/general_news/...tch-30mln.html
Quote:

The parcel can hold 1,200 residential units, 1,500 hotel rooms or 325,000 square feet of office or retail space.

http://i59.tinypic.com/2nishav.jpg

Hard to make too many judgements based off this one rendering alone as we don't know what the upper half looks like or if this is even the right design. But, I'm pretty underwhelmed. The first thing I thought of was 1130 S Michigan or an older highrise along LSD and I'm not sure that's a great idea for bordering Grant Park.

hawainpanda Aug 23, 2015 3:20 AM

it also appears to be only taking half the size of the lot...so a 2nd tower is also planned?

BVictor1 Aug 23, 2015 6:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ithakas (Post 7138978)
Not too revealing, but I believe this might be new?

http://www.crescentheights.com/comme...gan-roosevelt/

Where's the 825' figure coming from?

Quote:

I would think both, though it seems a bit higher than originally reported:

http://i59.tinypic.com/2nishav.jpg

Hard to make too many judgements based off this one rendering alone as we don't know what the upper half looks like or if this is even the right design. But, I'm pretty underwhelmed. The first thing I thought of was 1130 S Michigan or an older highrise along LSD and I'm not sure that's a great idea for bordering Grant Park.
That's why it's your job as Spyguy to help us find out more :) with renderings or technical data.

Steely Dan Aug 23, 2015 12:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BVictor1 (Post 7139159)
Where's the 825' figure coming from?

that figure came from one of our forumers who saw drawings on this one back in January or February of this year. It's all in the old Boom Rundown thread if you want to dig back. It might not be right, but it's the best height info we have at the moment.

EDIT: I went back and dug up the old posts from "Arm&Kedzie", and he said the drawings he saw showed 70 floors with the top of parapet at 830'.

Steely Dan Aug 23, 2015 1:07 PM

And here's the quick and dirty sketch-up model that Arm&Kedzie did of the design he saw.

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Originally Posted by Arm&Kedzie (Post 6894735)


BVictor1 Aug 23, 2015 1:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steely Dan (Post 7139216)
that figure came from one of our forumers who saw drawings on this one back in January or February of this year. It's all in the old Boom Rundown thread if you want to dig back. It might not be right, but it's the best height info we have at the moment.

EDIT: I went back and dug up the old posts from "Arm&Kedzie", and he said the drawings he saw showed 70 floors with the top of parapet at 830'.

Thanks, I remember now. This will have to go back before the plan commission anyway for amendments and I'm sure we'll get more specifics then and there.

At 830', this would become the tallest all residential tower in Chicago. That is in fact it's all residential, not including the base.

Chicago Shawn Aug 23, 2015 3:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BVictor1 (Post 7139244)
Thanks, I remember now. This will have to go back before the plan commission anyway for amendments and I'm sure we'll get more specifics then and there.

At 830', this would become the tallest all residential tower in Chicago. That is in fact it's all residential, not including the base.

Will still fall short of 451 E Grand which will be ~850 ft and is truly all residential. Of course that is if this project doesn't grow in height, which it may very well do.

SamInTheLoop Aug 23, 2015 3:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steely Dan (Post 7139058)
1,900 units?????

Holy sweet flying fuck!!!!!

The base looks promising..... it looks chicago..... the south wall desperately needs some chicago.....


I don't know if this is related to the impressive unit count cited here, but one important thing to keep in mind here is that Crescent Heights also holds the large development parcel just to the south across Indiana.....hopefully they'll be moving on that one this cycle as well.....

ardecila Aug 23, 2015 4:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steely Dan (Post 7139216)
that figure came from one of our forumers who saw drawings on this one back in January or February of this year. It's all in the old Boom Rundown thread if you want to dig back. It might not be right, but it's the best height info we have at the moment.

EDIT: I went back and dug up the old posts from "Arm&Kedzie", and he said the drawings he saw showed 70 floors with the top of parapet at 830'.

830' is the parapet height, but my drawings show a decorative rooftop structure that goes up to 862'.

Also, there are liner residential units on the parking section of the tower, so no blank parking podium on this one. I guess those park views are just too valuable to waste on auto storage.

Randomguy34 Aug 23, 2015 4:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ardecila (Post 7139336)
Also, there are liner residential units on the parking section of the tower, so no blank parking podium on this one. I guess those park views are just too valuable to waste on auto storage.

With a project this big and valuable I'm surprised they're not going with underground parking so that they can maximize the amount of park views

ardecila Aug 23, 2015 4:40 PM

The parking areas will be tucked into the southwest corner of the building where there are no park views and another large tower is planned (eventually) right next door. Both the Roosevelt and Indiana frontages of the building will have liner residential units.

I'm not sure where the 30,000SF of retail comes in... I think it has to be in another phase separately from the tower. And 1900 units? No way you fit that many into a tower, even at 830'. One Museum Park has 289 units. Even this building, which is heavy on studios and 1BDs, would probably land shy of 1000 units.

Randomguy34 Aug 23, 2015 5:01 PM

Don't forget that despite being skinny and only 38 stories tall (34 for just the residential portion) the Block 37 tower will have 696 units. That said, I'm leaning more towards Spyguy's finding of 1,200 units to be the more likely one if this tower remains to be 830-860 ft range. If it does end up growing a lot then the 1,900 units may be a possibility.

Steely Dan Aug 23, 2015 5:11 PM

Ardecila, thanks for the new height figure and all of the other additional info!

The thread title has been updated.

The 1,900 unit count is a head-scratcher.

LouisVanDerWright Aug 23, 2015 5:44 PM

^^^ Sam is probably onto something regarding the other development site they own right there. I bet they've got a second tower planned on that site that would bump Spyguy's 1200 number to 1900 with another 700 units.


I have to say the teaser rendering has me excited, I can visualize exactly how this tower is going to work between that and the model that Arm&Kedzie drew up. Pumped to see full images of this.

hawainpanda Aug 23, 2015 6:06 PM

man killer developements for chicago, I especially like the contrast the building has to museum park one, green, blue, now white.

rlw777 Aug 23, 2015 10:41 PM

Awesome can't wait for this one. I think the South loop is really gonna be blowing up over the next few cycles. Less Nimbys, decent proximity to the loop, more / cheaper development soft sites with great views. Retail / pedestrian experience is lacking but developments like this will help take it to the next level.

scalziand Aug 24, 2015 5:38 AM

It does vaguely resemble the original Grant Park 4 proposal for the western half of the site.

http://skyscraperpage.com/cities/?buildingID=65898

Notyrview Aug 24, 2015 1:09 PM

Most excellent!

sentinel Aug 24, 2015 3:08 PM

Added to pg. 1 of boom rundown.

Also, does this mean that the 'Chicago' building is dead, or is that for the westernmost lot/parcel for this site? Could that building account for the difference in unit numbers?

SamInTheLoop Aug 24, 2015 3:36 PM

^ It would definitely appear that it's dead ( :( ), as that proposal took up the entire Indiana to Michigan parcel along Roosevelt. This tower takes up the eastern half of that parcel. So, there's another tower now planned for the eastern half of course. Getting back to my original point on this very impressive 1,900 unit figure........my guess is that that count includes 3 buildings (at least) - eastern half of Roosevelt-fronting tower, western half of Roosevelt-fronting tower, and the parcel across Indiana to the South of The Grant (former OMPW), which I'd always thought of as a one-tower parcel, and that still very well may be what Crescent Heights has planned there, but if I recall it's decent-sized, and could potentially hold two towers as well, I suppose (?)........

For the record, I still think I propose the massive Saitowitz slab, but have an open mind of course to what we may see from Vinoly, and the glimpse we have thus far is promising I think.....

brian_b Aug 24, 2015 3:46 PM

Over at 13th and Indiana, on the old Central Station sales center site (which also has a Crescent Heights sign on the lot), it looks like they may be "paving" the way for a new sales center, or something to that effect ;)

SamInTheLoop Aug 24, 2015 3:57 PM

^ Interesting. So, to be clear for everyone here, this is the additional 'off-Roosevelt' parcel I've been speaking of......

brian_b Aug 24, 2015 4:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SamInTheLoop (Post 7140222)
^ Interesting. So, to be clear for everyone here, this is the additional 'off-Roosevelt' parcel I've been speaking of......

Yes, but also to be perfectly clear, I have no knowledge of anything in particular and this could be just a staging area for something else in the neighborhood.

BVictor1 Aug 24, 2015 4:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sentinel (Post 7140128)
Added to pg. 1 of boom rundown.

Also, does this mean that the 'Chicago' building is dead, or is that for the westernmost lot/parcel for this site? Could that building account for the difference in unit numbers?

The 'Chicago' building was never real.

sentinel Aug 24, 2015 4:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BVictor1 (Post 7140264)
The 'Chicago' building was never real.

Well, true...honestly, I'm ok with this building over that one (just hoping the top of this is more interesting than the Vinoly-designed middle finger in midtown Manhattan).

go go white sox Aug 25, 2015 3:39 PM

http://m.chicago.curbed.com/archives...south-loop.php

Le Baron Aug 25, 2015 4:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brian_b (Post 7140201)
Over at 13th and Indiana, on the old Central Station sales center site (which also has a Crescent Heights sign on the lot), it looks like they may be "paving" the way for a new sales center, or something to that effect ;)

^^ they are fixing the existing pavers on Prairie that lead from 13th to One Museum Park and The Grant. Project has been going on for about a week.

sentinel Aug 25, 2015 4:40 PM

^^Thanks for the information, and welcome to the forum.

BVictor1 Aug 25, 2015 5:19 PM

Crescent Heights hasn't filed any PD amendment with the city as of now.

Le Baron Aug 25, 2015 5:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sentinel (Post 7141676)
^^Thanks for the information, and welcome to the forum.

Thank you. 10+ year lurker. Thought it was finally time to contribute... Hope to share more going forward.

brian_b Aug 25, 2015 7:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BVictor1 (Post 7141738)
Crescent Heights hasn't filed any PD amendment with the city as of now.

Do they need to?

LouisVanDerWright Aug 25, 2015 7:31 PM

I thought I remembered there being a PD towards the end of the last boom being approved to allow the squiggly ugly previous proposal for this site and the hypothetical 1000'ish tower at Michigan and Roosevelt.

BVictor1 Aug 26, 2015 6:05 AM

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Originally Posted by LouisVanDerWright (Post 7141913)
I thought I remembered there being a PD towards the end of the last boom being approved to allow the squiggly ugly previous proposal for this site and the hypothetical 1000'ish tower at Michigan and Roosevelt.

Whenever there's a change, including height or number of units, an amendment to the PD has to be filed, unless administrative relief can be given.

This is within the lakefront protection so an amendment would have to be filed.

The original heights for Grant Park Tower III & IV were 790' and 900' respectively.


Also, the address for this is wrong as this is on the west side of Indiana Avenue and the numbers would be even.

Steely Dan Aug 26, 2015 1:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BVictor1 (Post 7142647)
Also, the address for this is wrong as this is on the west side of Indiana Avenue and the numbers would be even.

good catch. we'll have to leave it wrong in the thread title for now because that's what crescent is calling it. it's a mistake that they will eventually have to correct.

SamInTheLoop Aug 26, 2015 3:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BVictor1 (Post 7140264)
The 'Chicago' building was never real.

My guess is that it was actually 'real' in the sense that Crescent Heights actually had Saitowitz do some design work for the site (it's currently featured on his webpage). My guess is that if this was just somebody in his studio goofing around and playing make-believe, this would not be the case.

Moot point of course, as clearly it would appear Crescent Heights has subsequently gone in a different direction and has gone with Vinoly for a complete reworking, breaking Roosevelt-fronting parcel into a couple towers.

I will miss 'The Chicago' though - the massing was perfecto.......

BVictor1 Aug 27, 2015 5:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ithakas (Post 7138978)
Not too revealing, but I believe this might be new?

http://www.crescentheights.com/comme...gan-roosevelt/

For some reason Crescent Heights has removed this from their website.

I wonder if was my inquiries:rolleyes::shrug:?

Steely Dan Aug 27, 2015 5:48 PM

hmmmmmm....... the plot thickens........

sentinel Aug 27, 2015 6:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BVictor1 (Post 7144403)
For some reason Crescent Heights has removed this from their website.

I wonder if was my inquiries:rolleyes::shrug:?

It was probably the Curbed article which was posted the next day after the rendering was revealed on here....either way, it's not you BVic, it's them..

rlw777 Aug 27, 2015 6:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BVictor1 (Post 7144403)
For some reason Crescent Heights has removed this from their website.

I wonder if was my inquiries:rolleyes::shrug:?

"I got that new project up like you asked" - Website guy to Marketing Manager

"look a new project on this company website!" - forumer to forum

"look a new project on this company website" - Curbed to everyone

"Tell me about your new project." BVic to random guy at company

"Did we announce the new project?" - Random guy to company CEO

"Why is this up on our site?!?" - CEO to marketing manager

"Take this off the site!!" - Marketing manager to website guy.

"WTF!?!" - website guy to himself

AMWChicago Aug 28, 2015 3:28 AM

This is what I found
 
Not sure if this is accurate, but it says 70 Floors and it is at Roosevelt and Michigan. I really hope it is, because this looks spectacular

http://skyscraperpage.com/cities/?buildingID=61601

TallBob Aug 28, 2015 4:05 AM

800'+ south of Roosevelt.... that's impressive!

BVictor1 Aug 28, 2015 1:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AMWChicago (Post 7145140)
Not sure if this is accurate, but it says 70 Floors and it is at Roosevelt and Michigan. I really hope it is, because this looks spectacular

http://skyscraperpage.com/cities/?buildingID=61601

Do you know how to use the forum?:rolleyes::sly:

sentinel Aug 28, 2015 2:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AMWChicago (Post 7145140)
Not sure if this is accurate, but it says 70 Floors and it is at Roosevelt and Michigan. I really hope it is, because this looks spectacular

http://skyscraperpage.com/cities/?buildingID=61601

So this is the previous project, designed by Stanley Saitowitz, that is cancelled, according to what Sam and I (and others) were discussing a few pages back.

The new building, designed by Vinoly was kinda sorta seen in the rendering that was discovered a week or so ago, and abruptly pulled by the developer on their website, so we have not yet seen the full building design. I guess I'm just recapping for myself too since this entire development is confounding. I really can't understand why Crescent Heights is being so weird on this one - I can only assume there might be some type of design delay....otherwise if not, just release the damn thing. :rolleyes:

Arm&Kedzie Sep 4, 2015 8:11 PM

Nice!! I had not seen any of the renderings before. I think the cladding color is perfect. It will be the Ying to the Sears Tower's Yang. Exciting!

I notice in the rendering they have removed some of the lower level balconies.

BVictor1 Sep 17, 2015 6:40 PM

PUPLIC TOWN HALL MEETING FOR THE 3RD WARD

TUESDAY, SEPTEMBER 22ND AT 6PM

MCCORMICK PLACE WEST
2301 S. INDIANA AVE.
RM W181c
ENTER AT GATE 40


I'm hearing that CRESCENT HEIGHTS (Vinoly Tower) will be presenting at this meeting.

Skyguy_7 Sep 17, 2015 6:47 PM

Great intel, BVic!

I'm still hoping for this:
https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7299/...b380e175_h.jpg


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