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J_M_Tungsten Sep 16, 2011 3:02 PM

I must have missed the memo.

Steely Dan Sep 16, 2011 3:17 PM

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Originally Posted by J_M_Tungsten (Post 5413088)
I must have missed the memo.

no, you just haven't been around here long enough. the cow nonsense goes back years.

it's all good, the silliness of the cow is entirely appropriate for the silliness of this "proposal".

Nowhereman1280 Sep 16, 2011 5:45 PM

Yes, at one point Alliance or somebody posted a picture of the spire with cows attached all over it saying it was the redesign of the Spire (when we were all anticipating the "Version C" or whatever it was).

Basically it's become a symbol of pie-in-the sky projects. It was originally a ridiculous proposal to construct a giant fiberglass "Mrs. O'Leery's Cow" statue on the plot of land reserved for DuSable Park.

manchester united Oct 2, 2011 1:30 AM

Are there news about this possible great building ?

Alliance Oct 2, 2011 3:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Nowhereman1280 (Post 5413277)
Yes, at one point Alliance or somebody posted a picture of the spire with cows attached all over it saying it was the redesign of the Spire (when we were all anticipating the "Version C" or whatever it was).

Basically it's become a symbol of pie-in-the sky projects. It was originally a ridiculous proposal to construct a giant fiberglass "Mrs. O'Leery's Cow" statue on the plot of land reserved for DuSable Park.

It wasn't me. It might have been Tom? I did the Chicago stump...which I deleted in rage, but now I really wish I still had a copy of if anyone saved that image! :)

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Originally Posted by manchester united (Post 5430210)
Are there news about this possible great building ?

Its not a real proposal. Its a flat out fantasy...and by fantasy I mean nightmare. There shouldn't even be a thread on it.

Zapatan Oct 2, 2011 5:51 AM

^Damn, the US could really use a 2000 footer...

Then again Chi town already has many massive supertalls :)

jcchii Oct 4, 2011 2:31 AM

hard to believe they are STILL drilling caissons for the cow

Nowhereman1280 Oct 4, 2011 2:30 PM

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Originally Posted by jcchii (Post 5432443)
hard to believe they are STILL drilling caissons for the cow

Damn big ones too!

Steely Dan Oct 4, 2011 2:53 PM

i'm inclined to move this thread to the fantasy/never built sub-forum so that new-comers aren't continually fooled into thinking that this thing is anything remotely close to a real proposal.

tom and hydrogen, you guys agree/disagree?

Tom In Chicago Oct 4, 2011 5:19 PM

Whatever. . . I don't care what happens to this thread. . .

. . .

Onn Oct 4, 2011 6:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Steely Dan (Post 5432822)
i'm inclined to move this thread to the fantasy/never built sub-forum so that new-comers aren't continually fooled into thinking that this thing is anything remotely close to a real proposal.

tom and hydrogen, you guys agree/disagree?

That's a personal opinion sir, don't think forumers are that clueless.

Steely Dan Oct 4, 2011 6:44 PM

^ new comers are that clueless because they come into this thread asking for updates on this "proposal".

there are no updates, this is pure fantasy.

ih8spires Oct 4, 2011 7:02 PM

Yeah, I agree. On the off chance any real news ever appears, the thread can just be moved back to the proposal section. Though, it was fun to think something that tall might be proposed.

Pru Oct 5, 2011 5:41 AM

Chicago Stump! I forgot about that. It was hilarious but alas, I got no copies of that. But lotsa pics of secant walls & the inside of caissons . . .

chicagoisepic Nov 23, 2011 6:47 PM

Any news on this? i havent heard anything since july when it said that it would take a " several month process for approval". :(

Steely Dan Nov 23, 2011 6:52 PM

this isn't a real proposal, it's pure fantasy.

i'm moving this thread to the appropriate forum so we don't have people periodically popping in asking for "updates".

Nowhereman1280 Nov 23, 2011 7:14 PM

^^^ What Steely? Didn't you see the 12' Cassion cranes CASE was using at the spire site have been set up next door to the Post Office and are drilling away?


:rolleyes:

Rizzo Nov 23, 2011 7:23 PM

I hate this thread.

I hope one day to see a realistic proposal for this building

jd3189 Nov 24, 2011 6:15 PM

So I guess this means Chicago isn't going to get a supertall anytime soon.

Zapatan Nov 25, 2011 1:04 PM

I guess I had some hope for this project when it was still in the proposal section, oh well, I really really hope to see another supertall (preferebly a 2000 footer) in Chicago someday.. Chicago is too great to stop buildings skyscrapers.

chicagoisepic Nov 27, 2011 11:13 PM

Chicago isnt impressing me these days. We need at least one 1000 footer. No ones brave enough to propose one.....

Chicago_Forever Nov 27, 2011 11:47 PM

:previous: Why don't you propose one?

Chicago103 Nov 28, 2011 5:18 AM

I almost forgot about this proposal until I was browsing in this section. Zero news since the week the idea was unveiled to the public. I guess that shows how non serious this is.

chicagoisepic Nov 29, 2011 11:28 PM

im 13 years old and i want to be an architect. UNFORTUNATELY i have to wait a decade longer

Urbana Nov 30, 2011 8:32 PM

A model for Google Earth/SketchUp I threw together with the help of a previously made warehouse model. 'Tis crude but it give a good idea of what it would look like on the skyline.

http://sketchup.google.com/3dwarehou...bc&prevstart=0

Nowhereman1280 Nov 30, 2011 8:37 PM

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Originally Posted by chicagoisepic (Post 5497819)
im 13 years old and i want to be an architect. UNFORTUNATELY i have to wait a decade longer

I suspected you were a little young. Don't let the old curmudgeons on this site talk down to you for asking questions! :)

But also, remember that reading up on some of these projects will teach you a lot more than anyone on here will be willing to summarize for you!

If you are ever bored and want to learn a lot, go back into the archived threads and check out what was going on with the Chicago Spire or other proposals during the boom in 2005-2008. I feel old now that I've realized people that are just old enough to be joining forums were only 7 or 8 when I first joined this forum and weren't even born when I started following this stuff when I was your age back in the late 1990's...

emathias Nov 30, 2011 8:43 PM

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Originally Posted by chicagoisepic (Post 5497819)
im 13 years old and i want to be an architect. UNFORTUNATELY i have to wait a decade longer

Just don't piss off the cookie monster.

Ch.G, Ch.G Dec 1, 2011 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by jd3189 (Post 5492016)
So I guess this means Chicago isn't going to get a supertall anytime soon.

Quote:

Originally Posted by chicagoisepic (Post 5495072)
Chicago isnt impressing me these days. We need at least one 1000 footer. No ones brave enough to propose one.....

SSP: The only place where (presumably) straight men hope for a massive erection.

Rizzo Dec 1, 2011 12:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Chicago103 (Post 5495441)
I almost forgot about this proposal until I was browsing in this section. Zero news since the week the idea was unveiled to the public. I guess that shows how non serious this is.

There's public misunderstanding, and surprisingly a huge amount of misunderstanding on this very website as to what is:

A Proposal

A Marketing Concept


Architectural firms sometimes generate concepts for clients to give ideas (or even just for themselves) to gain attention. What then happens is it gets up on the internet:

Firm gets their name out

Public interprets the "project" in different ways.

Some understand the visionary nature of the project as an idea and nothing more, while others mistake it as a real proposal. The public likes renderings and pictures of cool buildings, especially tall ones, so it gets alot of discussion in places like this website. It's all good, but I think Post Office Proposal got some harsh criticism for being too unrealistic. People....It's a CONCEPT. I think moving it to this section of the website was appropriate.

tele75 Dec 1, 2011 3:31 AM

Thank you Hayward.

Buckman821 Dec 1, 2011 9:07 PM

Not that I disagree...
 
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Point man for Old Main Post Office

By: Bob Craig December 01, 2011

Read more: http://www.chicagorealestatedaily.co...#ixzz1fJr3fRur

His first priority is to clean out and restore the post office building to create a blank canvas for retail and hotel designers to work with. He also must win over several groups, including historical preservationists to the City Council and the eventual investors.
Obviously I'm not suggesting that we will see 2000 footers, but maybe (fingers crossed) Davies will do more than just sit on the property and hope to flip it.

Either way, I was not expecting to see a story on this today.

Roadcruiser1 Dec 2, 2011 3:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Buckman821 (Post 5500838)
Obviously I'm not suggesting that we will see 2000 footers, but maybe (fingers crossed) Davies will do more than just sit on the property and hope to flip it.

Either way, I was not expecting to see a story on this today.

This means that this project might not be dead. We shall know more soon.

Buckman821 Dec 2, 2011 4:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Roadcruiser1 (Post 5501296)
This means that this project might not be dead. We shall know more soon.

That's not really what I meant at all. The drawings we saw were still strictly conceptual IMO.

However, I do think its possible that he will do some sort of real estate improvement of some kind.

For those who know the past of Davies, has he really never done anything but flip property? He's really never built or renovated anything?

Rey88 Dec 3, 2011 8:36 PM

Well, for me, the best solution is to built a single 2000 ft office+hotel tower like Miglin Beitler Skyneedle or Los Angeles Donald Trump Tower :rolleyes:
http://www.nyase.com/trump_tower.php

meh_cd Dec 3, 2011 11:21 PM

There isn't a single proposal in Chicago that has surpassed the Skyneedle. Someone needs to pick that thing back up and build it.

ethereal_reality Dec 4, 2011 3:03 AM

Do you mean this Chicago proposal? ;)


http://img714.imageshack.us/img714/3...goskytower.jpg
ebay

above: Notice the water tower and the Palmolive Building place holders.





below: Info on the reverse.

http://img834.imageshack.us/img834/7...skytower21.jpg
ebay

Nowhereman1280 Dec 5, 2011 11:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buckman821 (Post 5500838)
Obviously I'm not suggesting that we will see 2000 footers, but maybe (fingers crossed) Davies will do more than just sit on the property and hope to flip it.

Either way, I was not expecting to see a story on this today.

Yeah, there might be more life in his concept than we think. It all seems mighty unrealistic and I'm especially not holding my breath for anything more than Central Station 2.0 after seeing the Spire get pretty far along and then stall.

emathias Dec 5, 2011 11:58 PM

OMG, the guy in the background of that old tower proposal photo must be Kennon Earl's dad or something!

http://a3.twimg.com/profile_images/1...4.17.27_PM.png
From Kennon Earl's twitter account

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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 5503631)
Do you mean this Chicago proposal? ;)

http://img714.imageshack.us/img714/3...goskytower.jpg
ebay
...


lawfin Dec 6, 2011 1:21 AM

Who the hell is Kennan Earl?

Nowhereman1280 Dec 6, 2011 3:07 PM

^^^ My thoughts exactly...

He provided a link to his blog, but I googled him and I'm not certain he even has a wikipedia stub...

emathias Dec 6, 2011 7:09 PM

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Originally Posted by lawfin (Post 5505765)
Who the hell is Kennan Earl?

He's an LA real estate agent on HGTV's "Selling LA" show.

Zapatan Dec 12, 2011 2:19 PM

according to SSC this is an actual proposal not just a vision, maybe it won't get built to 2000 feet but im under the impression some sort of massive tower could be put here.

bnk Dec 12, 2011 3:20 PM

Nope sorry you were duped but nothing will ever be built there. At least nothing resembling this project. Nothing will be done to the PO and no tall buildings will be built.

Zapatan Dec 12, 2011 3:31 PM

Why? The development would be good for the city I feel.

Roadcruiser1 Dec 12, 2011 8:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Zapatan (Post 5513380)
Why? The development would be good for the city I feel.

It's owned by a person that is notorious for selling land and not developing it.

Zapatan Dec 13, 2011 4:09 AM

But whoever buys it will most certainly develop something there right? Such a huge piece of land to go to waste.

Oh well, I hope Chi town pulls off another supertall or two here eventually, that would be amazing!

Zapatan Dec 14, 2011 7:09 AM

Hopefully someone can build something there eventually though, as the site has air rights to 2000'

(if I'm not mistaken)

untitledreality Dec 16, 2011 1:35 AM

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Originally Posted by THE BIG APPLE (Post 5515368)
I don't know maybe it's deja vu all over again but I don't feel like this will get built. Chicago is also notorious for not getting the job done (most of the time). Spire, South Dearborn, Waldorf Astoria, Chi WTC, etc.

Its not going to get built because it was never a real project. Just a notorious speculator trying to flip a property.

Zapatan Jan 3, 2012 10:28 AM

^SSC lists it as a serious project, but they're data isn't always correct.

It did say the project wouldn't go under way for 5 to 10 years, which means something could maybe happen. Isn't the city of Chicago still trying to approve this?

untitledreality Jan 6, 2012 7:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Zapatan (Post 5535498)
which means something could maybe happen.

Sure, something "could" happen. Just like how pigs "could" fly if only they had wings.


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