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MichaelRyerson Jul 9, 2012 8:02 PM

My near new copy of a Shell Oil Company Los Angeles and Vicinity map, 1942
 
arrived today. It's really in great shape, just a couple little tears on the fold-lines (really only two that I can find), otherwise clear and crisp. And guess what I looked for first...yep, here it is, center of the image. This one's for you E-R.

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8002/7...0c725897_b.jpg
Monkey Island2 (2).jpg Shell Map, 1942

ethereal_reality Jul 9, 2012 8:39 PM

A M A Z I N G. We now know the exact location of Monkey Island!

Thanks MichaelRyerson

MichaelRyerson Jul 9, 2012 9:16 PM

Occidental Hotel
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 5100159)
Looking north on Broadway from Fourth Street, 1905. Notice the beautiful streetlights.


http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/6...northbroad.jpg
usc digital archive
Below: The Occidental Hotel on the east side of Hill Street between Fourth & Fifth Street, 1910


http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/1...talhotel19.jpg
usc digital archive



here are two more pics of the Occidental Hotel (I think Scott also had a shot of the Occidental earlier in the thread than this) Both from LAPL

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8017/7...71904340_b.jpg
Occidental Hotel (daytime) 428 S Hill Street, circa 1900

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8018/7...079f0578_b.jpg
Occidental Hotel (night) 428 S Hill Street, circa 1900

While both pics are marked circa 1900, it is pretty clear they are from somewhat different years as to wear to the building and tenants/advertising.

BifRayRock Jul 10, 2012 12:06 AM


Transportation begets temptation?

1908 Burbank, unknown address.
http://jpg1.lapl.org/pics22/00030786.jpglapl

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"THIS SHOW IS NOT FOR JUNIOR."

Dated March 18, 1957, Ocean Park. (Monkey Park - the real story?? lol)
http://jpg1.lapl.org/00077/00077809.jpgLAPL

ethereal_reality Jul 10, 2012 12:41 AM

originally posted BifRayRock
http://imageshack.us/a/img844/8029/aacreepysideshow.jpg

:previous: That is one creepy sideshow. What do you think they were actually showing!?!
The graphics on the building seem to suggest a naked white girl and a guy in a gorilla costume (complete with a 'phallic' club).

p.s.
BifRayRock, your initial post was just the 'sideshow photo'....why did you add the 1908 photograph?
I don't understand the connection (except perhaps the bicycle). Am I missing something?

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originally posted by MichaelRyerson
http://imageshack.us/a/img832/8056/aaoccidental.jpg

This is the first time that I've noticed an awning over the entrance.....very interesting.
I'd also like to know more about the building just to the right of the Occidental (I like how it's set back from the street).

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ethereal_reality Jul 10, 2012 1:23 AM

http://imageshack.us/a/img11/8934/sc...studiocity.jpg
postcard/ebay




http://imageshack.us/a/img545/7706/a...orinnisthi.jpg
matchbook detail




Surprisingly, the Carlton Motor Lodge is still in business.

http://imageshack.us/a/img707/7706/a...orinnisthi.jpg
google street view




below: A page from the current Carlton Motor Lodge website.

http://imageshack.us/a/img545/9723/a...rinnisthib.jpg

Here is the link to their site:
http://www.carltonmotorlodge.com/

BifRayRock Jul 10, 2012 1:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MichaelRyerson (Post 5760571)
arrived today. It's really in great shape, just a couple little tears on the fold-lines (really only two that I can find), otherwise clear and crisp. And guess what I looked for first...yep, here it is, center of the image. This one's for you E-R.

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8002/7...0c725897_b.jpg
Monkey Island2 (2).jpg Shell Map, 1942

As evidenced by many of the posts, the simian population ebbed and flowed throughout the greater Los Angeles area. Monkeys evidently "farmed" in Lincoln Heights (3800 Mission Park Road) and Culver City. Perhaps the same congregation followed the supply of peanuts and bananas via the Pacific Electric? And who knows what was going on at the Hollywood Zoo - in the SF Valley (Ventura Blvd. and Sepulveda Avehttp://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...postcount=8036),

http://imageshack.us/a/img607/9158/a...ementssspb.jpghttp://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...postcount=8044

Circa 1930's
http://jpg3.lapl.org/pics36/00067882.jpg
http://jpg1.lapl.org/00079/00079150.jpg
http://jpg3.lapl.org/pics36/00067888.jpg
http://jpg3.lapl.org/pics36/00067887.jpglapl

ethereal_reality Jul 10, 2012 1:39 AM

:previous: Great photos of the Culver City 'Monkey Farm' BifRayRock.

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http://imageshack.us/a/img856/9067/s...iocitycopy.jpg

above: This architectural detail that resembles a stylized 'trellis' is still intact at the Carlton Motor Lodge on Ventura Boulevard.






below: Contemporary view of the 1930's 'trellis' design.

http://imageshack.us/a/img842/7706/a...orinnisthi.jpg
google street view

I love to discover details like this. :)

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BifRayRock Jul 10, 2012 2:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 5760824)
BifRayRock, your initial post was just the 'sideshow photo'....why did you add the 1908 photograph?
I don't understand the connection (except perhaps the bicycle). Am I missing something?

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No specific connection - other than an attenuated observation that young men with bicycles must exercise caution - or they risk getting into trouble. ;) (I also find it interesting that for a brief period, before the wide spread proliferation of horseless carriages, bikes seemed to be taking over the neighborhood.) At least the original backers of Pasadena's elevated cycleway seemed to think so! http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...&postcount=814)

LAPD "Bike Squad" - Broadway past Sixth Street, Ca. '04
http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics04/00011652.jpglapl

LA High School, Conclave of Bicycle and Photo (Kodak) Club - Ca. 1900
http://jpg3.lapl.org/pics13/00026409.jpglapl

"Making dust" North on Spring Street (near 8th Street). Ca 1899
http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics09/00014345.jpglapl

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Figueroa Theater later known as the Variety Arts Theater. (1930's (??))
http://jpg2.lapl.org/theater3/00015863.jpglapl

Joe Gillis Jul 10, 2012 5:01 AM

I wont quote the map again but heres Monkey Islands location as seen on Google Maps

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b3...Untitled-4.png

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b3...Untitled-5.png

Google Maps

Chuckaluck Jul 10, 2012 5:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 5751764)
Does this snapshot conjure any memories? It was found in a Los Angeles centric photo-album on ebay.

http://imageshack.us/a/img713/6517/a...towntrolle.jpg

Reminds me of the minatures that existed in Lincoln Park and Travel Town.;)

Circa 1904/5. Per link below, John Coit moved his railroad from East LA to Venice.
http://www.lincolnheightsla.com/linc...in/eastsrr.JPG
http://www.lincolnheightsla.com/linc...ortraitWEB.jpg
http://www.lincolnheightsla.com/linc...n/3SPOTWEB.jpghttp://www.lincolnheightsla.com/lincolnpark/train/
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Same train in Venice, Ca. 1908
http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/assets...CHS-36801?v=hr
http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/assets...CHS-12818?v=hrUSC Digital

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Hawaiian Locomotive destined for Griffith Park's "Travel Town." Circa 1954
http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/assets...2588BED10?v=hr
http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/assets...206-016~3?v=hr
http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/assets...206-016~5?v=hrUSC Digital

Chuckaluck Jul 10, 2012 6:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 5755673)
Another curiosity from ebay.....anyone recognize this rather stately apartment building?
http://imageshack.us/a/img36/1185/aa...ajan311927.jpg
ebay
caption: "Arrived in Los Angeles." Jan 31-1927

Although I can't identify your found photo, one cannot help but notice the always-tasteful white colored lower floors.

Wilshire Town House
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-NEipRoXRTB...1.21.49+AM.pnghttp://dearoldhollywood.blogspot.com...locations.html

Talmadge Apts.
http://www.you-are-here.com/building/talmadge.jpggoogle

or even the "Seinfeld exterior" at 757 New Hampshire
http://farm1.staticflickr.com/59/199...80ee1bcd_b.jpgflicker

MichaelRyerson Jul 10, 2012 5:58 PM

Civic Center, Los Angeles, March 11, 1946
 
Lovely panorama

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7114/7...a87c58a4_b.jpg
Civic Center, Los Angeles, March 11, 1946
LOC/Pettit's Studio

Chuckaluck Jul 10, 2012 10:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 4562108)
Below: Beverly Blvd. and Vermont in1926.
http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/9...blvdandver.jpg
usc digital archive

Fascinating snap shot. Beverly Blvd's. curve to the right (E x SE near Virgil) seems to be the current location of the Public Storage Building - erected some two years after the photo was taken, in 1928. (See pic below where ER outlined the building.) There is a large dark seemingly unimproved area at the top center of the first photograph. I suspect this is Bellevue Park. Common search for the subject reveals very little which seems surprising if the park/unimproved area has been in existence for over 80 years.

http://imageshack.us/a/img862/5042/a...owerright1.jpghttp://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...postcount=7808

Chuckaluck Jul 10, 2012 10:59 PM

Further south (from Beverly and Vermont/Virgil - above), is the corner of South Westmoreland and Sixth Street. On the south side of the street there once existed a residence belonging to Emma A. Summers (603 S. Westmoreland). (Curiously, Westmoreland Avenue had been renamed from "Miami" Avenue and one wonders whether the "Miami" name was a Native American reference, or a reference to locations in Florida, Ohio or elsewhere.) Emma Summers was once dubbed the "California Oil Queen." Read more about her here: http://oldhomesoflosangeles.blogspot...tmoreland.html The photo of her home is dated 1909. It may be well before Dick Whittington's time, but do aerial shots of that neighborhood exist for the 1910 - 1920's?

The photo's accompanying text (link above) states that Emma Summers moved a block south, where Westmoreland intersects Wilshire Blvd. More specifically, she is said to have lived at 655 Wilshire Place and that residence ultimately gave way to - Bullocks Wilshire. (ER and others recently posted a few remarkable shots of Westmoreland construction in the '50s-'60s.http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...postcount=7943)


http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Oygu-u7I6l...se_house_a.jpghttp://oldhomesoflosangeles.blogspot...tmoreland.html
Are those temporary wooden curb ramps?

A later photograph of the same Westmoreland and Sixth intersection depicts the "Borden Apartments" and assorted first floor businesses. The photo's markings suggest it would have been on the North side of Sixth Street, opposite the Summers' house situs. The "New Nash 400" billboard suggests the photo is from 1928 or '29, and given the evidence of street car traffic, rental housing and a "Westmoreland Shoppe," it is easy to understand why one might consider moving to a less urban setting. The Borden Apts building has been remodeled and remains at 3109 West Sixth Street.http://maps.google.com/maps?oe=utf-8...ed=0CAgQ8gEwAA

http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/assets...75-6-ISLA?v=hrUSC Digital

Nearby Fourth Street and Westmoreland Avenue seems ripe for development. Photo undated but similar markings suggest late 20s.
http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/assets...5-10-ISLA?v=hrhttp://digitallibrary.usc.edu/assets...5-22-ISLA?v=hrUSC Digital

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Westmoreland-Wilshire area circa 1968
http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/assets...-B27-ISLA?v=hrhttp://digitallibrary.usc.edu/assets...87-54-B27-ISLA

MichaelRyerson Jul 10, 2012 11:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fab Fifties Fan (Post 5442424)
Back in July 2010, sopas_ej posted this photo of Carl's Restaurant and asked if anyone knew the location. The image is no longer coming up with the original post, so I'm reposting..

http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/1...rantsphoto.jpg
Dick Whittington Collection/USC Digital Library

Yesterday I found these matchbooks on e-bay and it appears there were two Carl's locations in Los Angeles, with this being the Flower and Figueroa location (and gone with the Harbor Fwy).

http://img641.imageshack.us/img641/7...estaurants.jpg
e-bay

~Jon Paul



Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 5442509)
:previous: The middle matchbook of Carl's-at-the-Beach is very interesting.
I don't recall any buildings along PCH that come even close to looking like the buildings on that matchbook.
It also says SEA AIR MOTOR APARTMENTS. So I guess one of their selling points is that you could arrive by boat, car or airplane.
...perhaps from the nearby Cloverfield Airport?

Does anyone know if this complex was ever built?

Well, it turns out it was built and was in business at least from 1939 through 1953. Hollywoodphotographs.com currently has four different photographs of the restaurant in operation. The copyright warnings on this site seem particularly businesslike so I hesitate to patch one of the images in here but you can see them by visiting his website http://www.hollywoodphotographs.com/...n-restaurants/
in the drive-in restaurant category. Also cardcow is offering a lovely double image period postcard but alas the two pictures are of the interior. It can be seen here http://www.cardcow.com/217030/carls-...ca-california/ it shows the address as being 15145 Pacific Coast Highway, Santa Monica.

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7261/7...90b1736e_z.jpg
carl's restaurant pch santa monica

Carl's Sea Air Lodge and Restaurant Santa Monica
image from cardcow.com

By the way, according to the back of the postcard 'Verna' wants everybody back in Fort Dodge, Iowa to know she's lunching 'here on the ocean' and is going to hate to leave. Somehow it makes me smile to know she was having a good time.

rcarlton Jul 11, 2012 12:15 AM

For some reason I'm interested in the Carlton Motor Lodge.

Ron Carlton

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 5760863)
http://imageshack.us/a/img856/9067/s...iocitycopy.jpg

above: This architectural detail that resembles a stylized 'trellis' is still intact at the Carlton Motor Lodge on Ventura Boulevard.

below: Contemporary view of the 1930's 'trellis' design.

http://imageshack.us/a/img842/7706/a...orinnisthi.jpg
google street view

I love to discover details like this. :)

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fhammon Jul 11, 2012 12:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BifRayRock (Post 5760798)

"THIS SHOW IS NOT FOR JUNIOR."

Dated March 18, 1957, Ocean Park. (Monkey Park - the real story?? lol)
http://jpg1.lapl.org/00077/00077809.jpgLAPL[/FONT][/SIZE][/COLOR]

I love this photo!
It really captures the "cheese" of the era and the kid on the bicycle displaying his pubescent curiosity just dieing to know what's going on inside. (You're not missing much kid)

There was a whole genre of films and themes spawned by an idea that goes back who knows how far.

Here's an early depiction from some WWI propaganda:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...version%29.jpg

The film Ingagi "a 1930 Pre-Code exploitation film" really got the ball rolling.
(Can anybody find a copy? "Son of Inagi - 1940" is ubiquitous) I would almost bet that Ingagi is what's being shown at the joint in the photo, "Post-Code".
It might have been the "Deep Throat" of it's day.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi.../7a/Ingagi.jpg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ingagi.jpg

Then came King Kong in 1933:

http://theinvisibleagent.files.wordp...ters.jpg?w=460http://theinvisibleagent.wordpress.com/2008/11/

MichaelRyerson Jul 11, 2012 1:18 PM

A flightless Third and Hill
 
I don't remember ever seeing this image before. I hope it's not a repeat.

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8011/7...fb6be65b_b.jpg
Third and Hill, 1902LAPL


3rd Street, looking west, with a close-up view of a streetcar near the 3rd Street Tunnel in Bunker Hill. The conductor stands outside on the streetcar steps as a woman carrying a parasol and a young boy walk by. Edwin B. Crocker's mansion is seen above. Angel's Flight has not yet been built.

BifRayRock Jul 11, 2012 4:17 PM

Edit. After the first group of photographs were posted I discovered the recent LA Times article quoted below. It is uncertain whether all the photographs were the result of a single photographer, George Watson. A few of the source notes suggest that they may have also been part of a Popular Mechanics article.


Quote:

"Dec. 14, 1920: Stunt pilot Frank Clarke flies an aircraft off the 10-story Railway Building in downtown Los Angeles during filming for the movie “Stranger Than Fiction.”
Under the headline “Aviator Jumps Off Building,” the Los Angeles Times reported the next day:
Frank Clark (later Clarke), 22-year-old stunt aviator, yesterday ‘jumped’ off the 10-story Los Angeles Railway Building at 11th Street and Broadway and thereby pioneered the airway for the tired businessmen who would get home early.
Clark’s plane a J.N. 4 Curtiss, equipped with a L-4 Liberty motor developing 150 horsepower, with a wingspan of 43 feet, is said to be much larger than any biplane that ever hopped off a battleship’s deck.
The intrepid aviator had his plane clear of the building before it had gone 90 feet….
…At the time the plane left the edge of the roof it was going about 90 miles an hour.
The stunt was filmed for the Katherine MacDonald Pictures Corp. movie titled “It Could Happen.” The movie, with Clarke’s aviation stunt, was released in 1921 as “Stranger Than Fiction.”
Clarke went on to a career as a stunt pilot and actor in several Hollywood movies. Clarke was the chief pilot for the 1930 film “Hell’s Angels” by director Howard Hughes. He died in a non-job-related plane accident in 1948.
Los Angeles Times staff photographer George Watson took these three images of Clarke’s take-off. . . . . . "http://framework.latimes.com/2010/12...f-building/#/1

http://latimesphoto.files.wordpress....ding1_9701.jpghttp://latimesphoto.files.wordpress....ding2_9701.jpghttp://framework.latimes.com/2010/12...f-building/#/0

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Photos labeled: "Clark, Hester, Mark Campbell, Wally Timm and others with airplane on top of Los Angeles building, 21Dec20"

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5034/6...27e87aec_b.jpghttp://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmar...n/photostream/

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5232/6...19bd4109_o.jpghttp://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmar...n/photostream/

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8163/6...6e5d0116_h.jpghttp://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmar...n/photostream/

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7222/7...4b155c38_h.jpghttp://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmar...n/photostream/

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8155/6...eca5cb65_h.jpg
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7275/7...0e6ec556_h.jpg

"Taking off from the building":
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7074/6...9c46d7c7_b.jpg

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7121/6...cc242256_b.jpghttp://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmar...n/photostream/


11th Street and Broadway, "Railway Building":
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8143/6...18ec14f2_b.jpghttp://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmar...n/photostream/




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