the pizza isn't that great there.....but nobody goes there for high end cuisine.

The Prescott and the Carleton are probably responsible for 90 + % of all draft 50 and/or Ex sold in Ottawa.

I remember in the 1960s the height of culinary art (at least in Charlottetown) was to go out to the Bonnie Brae restaurant in Cornwall for a hot turkey sandwich, complete with peas and gravy. We did it several times a year and it was always a major event (involving putting on better clothes, a drive in a car and best manners).

Those were the days.........

Meanwhile the Laff (Chateau Laffayette) and Dirty Dom (Dominion Tavern) are likely responsible for 90% of Labbatt 50 quart bottles!

Also pre-COVID you could very much go to a small bar and have conversations with random people about pretty much anything. Just sit at the bar.

Oh yeah, I forgot about those two places. I've been to the Carleton and Prescott more times than the Laff or Dominion Tavern.

https://www.google.com/maps/uv?pb=!1...oiowCnoECA8QAw

I think Molson would be at home here. Note the salt shakers on the table for those who want to put salt into their beer

I think Grumpy's was Mordecai Richler's watering hole.

Grumpy's is a watering hole on Crescent Street. The three horsemen (Bon vivants) of St. Urbain, Mordecai Richler, Nick Auf de Maur, and Ted Blackman used to haunt the place (as well as nearby Ziggy's Pub). I drank with these dudes several times. Wow, the conversations were awesome (and the mockery of Jacques Parizeau was beyond legendary).

My teenage formative years were in the 90s but I try my best not to be one of those "new music is crap" old men. There's a lot of good new stuff out there even if you're into the rock genre. Reignwolf is a recent personal favourite.

The P.O.D. Kast :haha:

Love the name. There's some legitimately good diamonds in the nu metal rough (e.g. System of a Down) but most of it was absolute trash. Sounds like a fun listen.

Remember back in the day when the cars have wildly different shapes, sizes, colours, and even engines and you could actually name the car because of it? Now all cars are slanted, small, 4 door sedans................truly a study in beige.

A well acquainted eye will notice that they filmed the bar scenes in the film adaptation of Richler's Barney's Version at Grumpy's.

You do understand that people use the phones to talk to each other, right?

Cool!..I just remember that it was a good quality hour there taking a load off of our feet, even talked to the owner for a bit who was conducting all of the singing along..My friend literally got the T-shirt after. He still has it..Randomly stumbling into this place was serendipitous, and saved us from roaming the aisles in whatever store the ladies happened on.

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I grew up with cassettes (CD's were for the rich kids) and vinyl and remember finally getting a CD player in the mid-90s. I still prefer vinyl to the sterility of CDs. I went to raves in the 90s: dirty warehouses on Geary, Alliance Road, the Buddhist temple on College Street, Sunday mornings at the Comfort Zone. I loved techno, drum & bass, jungle, hip hop and trance music but also occasionally listened to college radio playing metal/indie & eclectic music on Brent Bambury's Brave New Waves (never really liked Patti Schmidt's voice) and David Wisdom's Nightlines.

But do I spend my time listening to 90s trance techno etc? Nope. I listen to Pete Tong, Essential Mix, Above & Beyond, ASOT etc on YouTube and streaming services. Haven't really gotten into podcast culture. I keep up with all the latest music. In the car I prefer Z103.5 and hiphop.

As I entered my 40s, I got interested in my mom's large classical/baroque music collection: I love going to Centre in the Square, Tafelmusik etc and listening to https://www.youtube.com/c/AVROTROSKlassiek/videos

Listening to the same old cheesy rock and roll etc from the 1960s-80s would be boring.

Me neither. Who enjoys that schlock? It's mind-numbing and predictable.

I tuned into Chez 106 one day and discovered shit like 'boulevard of broken dreams' from Green Day and Matthew Good Band's 'hello time bomb' is now considered 'classic rock'.

Driving around Perth, Huron and Bruce County I sometimes tune into CKNX AM920 just because it reminds me of the farmers in the 80s/90s always listening to it meanwhile I was tuned into Energy 108/CFTR/WJLB/CBC Stereo. Now I find it amusing listening to country in the country.

The only "local" stations I listen to are CBA Moncton (CBC-1) for commuting to and from work, CBAL-FM (CBC-2) for background classical music at work (at least until 2 PM when the popular stuff comes on the air), and CITA-FM for Wildcats hockey games (and post game analysis when driving home after a game).

Aside from this, it's Sirius Satellite all the way, and even there I only have 3-4 stations I routinely listen to (mostly SPA - new age and ambient).

FM is still worthwhile for CBC, including its music stations (there are a couple of good shows on CBC Music and several on Ici Musique), university radio (eg CISM in Montreal) as well as community radio stations (eg CKUA in Alberta). Of course, all of these are also available on streaming and many of the shows have podcast versions, so the actual radio bit of it is only useful if you're in a car.

I listen to FM for Radio-Canada (and sometimes for CBC). I don't listen to music off my phone or have satellite radio (except during free previews), so if I want music I scan until I find a song that I like.

If I am out late at night, I sometimes scan the AM dial for U.S. talk radio stations as there is sometimes interesting stuff there. The reception is best on cold winter nights. I can pick up as far west as Chicago and as far south as Baltimore very consistently.

Do they? I thought they just texted each other.

Local FM radio is horrible. Awful, awful rotation of the same shitty songs (cancon & "classic crock"), extremely annoying cheap local radio ads, unfunny DJs.

CFNY was decent as alternative radio back in the day. Bit weird that Rush wrote that famous song about it, what with Rush being probably the most un-alternative band ever, but I guess even they recognized how unique it was.

LOL Memories!

Just like how niwell’s guilty pleasure is nu-metal, my guilty pleasure is late 90s trance music. We probably crossed paths, because I use to go down to The Pit and Eastern Bloc and some of the last jungle and acid house raves coincided with when I turned 19.

Anyway I found a box full of old cassettes from local Toronto DJs of the era like John “00” Fleming and Mark Acid and I dug up my old Walkman and gave them a listen.

Like a lot of things that came out of Toronto during the Mel Lastman years, the music was really amateurish and some of it was really bad, but you know they were having a lot of fun making it.

I listen to similar YouTube videos as you do when I work.

I was listening to a station in Quinte last week and their tagline was 'music from the 70s, 80s, and now' and I was curious about what happened in the 90s, 00s, and 10s for them to just skip over them entirely :haha:

I don't know how people can do it. 'Pour Some Sugar On Me' definitely had an expiry date sometime in the mid-90s.

People are free to like whatever they want, of course, but eh..

I enjoy remixes of 90s electronica. The beauty of dance music is there's often dozens of different mixes. I was looking at my 90s CD collection recently: 99% trance and house music.:) A sign I'm getting older is some 1990s famous DJ's are dying off: recently José Padilla whose first Cafe del Mar CD I bought way back c.95 https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000nphf

The Pit and Eastern Bloc - I wonder what happened to Toronto's dance music pioneers? (I know a few became realtors.) PLUR

I have a number of people I know who basically *only* listen to rock music from those eras and even overhearing anything from any other era or another genre to them is basically like drinking liquid shit.

They consider themselves to be musical connaisseurs because they can identify every single riff played by Eddie Van Halen or some other guitar legend.

Which is fine. I mean I love a lot of that stuff too. I grew up with it.

But I don't consider them true music lovers. Their scope and frame of mind is just too limited.

Who the fuck would want to pour some sugar on this guy? :yuck::yuck:
Apparently he thinks he is hot, sticky sweet,
from his head to his stinky feet.
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pr...IdkGq7UUnMAbn-
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There’s something about guitar-driven rock from the 70s-80s that drives something akin to extreme homerism on SSP among its followers.

Fans of other genres aren’t really like this. People who like Britpop, for example, aren’t going to automatically deride ska or shoegaze as trash music.

Not just on SSP - in real life too! Musical intolerance which exists to a degree unseen among the fan base of any other genre.

I noticed this ages ago.

Looking at it with a 2020 lens, it's even a bit suspicious as basically every single one of the big names (with the exception of Jimi Hendrix and maybe Lenny Kravitz, anyone else?) are... white dudes! :runaway:

This song brings me right back to Summer 1992:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7GaNYuKkuUw

Is that how it has evolved? I haven't had a finger on the pulse of music trends in a while, but it's clear from your characterization that we're a generation removed from each other, because in the 1980s the classic rock era was defined as the 1960s and early 70s, with the 1980s being derided for how much campy new wave and wispy pop there was. Van Halen wasn't really popular with devotees of the British Invasion, and were eventually seen as precursors to the hair metal of the mid to late 1980s.

Though I can certainly see why guitar rock is defined as 1960s-80s when looking back from the 21st century.

Not in North America, anyway. The genres that were mainstream in the UK were only ever marginal and underground here, so we weren't participating in their skirmishes (though we who knew anything about them looked on with envy at the tumult). "Catholic taste" as an aspiration was something I started hearing in the 1990s, from what I recall. Still though, I think your point is right, there's a fusty snobbishness the boomers have about rock guitar that's very off-putting.

I remember the "disco sucks" movement in the late 1970s. The Guardian gives it a racist and homophobic spin, of course.

The Disco Sucks! campaign in 1979 had racist and homophobic undertones – and, 30 years on, has proven to be a resolute failure
https://www.theguardian.com/music/mu...18/disco-sucks

I think one of the comments sums it up better, though.

About 25 years ago when everyone was tossing out their vinyl for CDs my brother loaded up on dirt cheap vinyl from the 1960s 70s and 80s. I started listening to them since I kept them in storage for many years. I've come to enjoy the disco era, new wave etc. I've even got many of the original Beatles and Rolling Stones albums, folk singers from the 60s etc. Some of it may be worth $$$.:) There's a time and place for every genre.

I never realized until recently that the soulful Chicago house music I loved in the late 80s/early 90s was at the time associated with black gay culture.

Yep same..Those "Disco Sucks" T-shirts were popular amongst the Punk Rock crowd from what I recall...Then the same history repeated itself 11 years later when the decade of guitar decadence and poodle hair was killed by these bands coming out of Seattle.That needed to happen ,because that whole 80's L.A party metal scene that arguably VH started (Motley Crue as well maybe), ran it's course and really starting to become a parody of itself. It needed to die!

I still listen to punk, alternative and hard core. I still listen to disco. I still listen to New Wave. I still listen to the Beatles. I still listen to Blues. To Jazz. To Classical music. And I still love the period from 1965-1985 above all others.

I am a Gen Xer and it's definitely true of our generation too. Even predominant.

I also find boomers are split. Younger boomers are like Gen Xers, whereas older boomers grew up in an era where there were fewer radio stations and musical genres weren't as segregated, so while their main genre is still rock n roll, I've found them a lot more open to everything from country to classical.

I don't want to overdramatize, but that commenter's musical path seems rather exceptional. I was there when it all went down (and remember news reports about Disco Demolition Night at the baseball game in Chicago), and I didn't know anyone who was that adventurous musically.

Certainly all the guys were either in the mainstream clan where you had Van Halen, Led Zeppelin and eventually emerging hair bands, or on the alternative fringes listening to stuff like Echo and the Bunnymen, The Jam or The Smiths.

There is nothing wrong with any of that, but it was still white dude rock.

While he wasn't considered disco (or at least if he was he survived its death spectacularly), Michael Jackson was universally reviled among guys my age. I actuallly hid the fact that I kinda liked it, though I also listened to the same stuff as everyone else too.

Not saying there was necessarily a racial element to it, but it's nonetheless noteworthy that all of the hate and shaming was directed at music disproportionately produced and appreciated by black people (and to some degree gay people too).

Yes, there is a grey area where older gen x-ers. and young boomers basically grew up with the same pop culture trends in fashion, music ,etc..Those generation date cut-offs are basically just arbitrary goal posts..My older sister is considered a boomer for example, and I'm an X'er...We listened to the same music and were in high school together, although she was on her way out of grade 13, and I was a "minor niner"..Her age group could easily be called Gen X .

Same..Do you or anyone else here remember that weird period of avente garde electronica music that basically bridged disco to New wave of the 80's?
Bands like the B'52's and Devo fall into this category.Maybe the Cars..I want to say, late 70's?..Maybe 79..A one hit wonder band called "M" also falls into this category with their song "Pop Muzik?..This is pre Madonna,MJ,Duran Duran, U2 etc, and post the Sex Pistols.

I do. It wasn't disco but it was still very danceable. Certainly a lot more than most of the rock music that emerged at the time.

And it was before the late 80s emergence of "dance music", a lot of which was highly (suspiciously?) similar to disco. Though none of its fans would have been caught dead admitting that. I know this because I'd taunt them with that - though I liked the genre too. (I always liked all sorts of musical genres.)

I'll take your word for it, because I wasn't there to ask the fans themselves, but late 80s dance music clearly evolved from 70s disco via early-mid 1980s scenes like Chicago House and Italo Disco (and probably some other variants).

Anyone else get into dance music via EBM/Industrial? Skinny Puppy, Meat Beat Manifesto etc? CHRW - University of Western Ontario had a great show I'd listen to in the early 90s. I used to go to Savage Garden and Sanctuary for Goth nights in the late 90s. Still a great alternative to trance and baroque music: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLm2qEeHKew

On the flipside, UK pop acts like Pet Shop Boys also had great club remixes that helped bridge the gap into Acid/House/Progressive/Trance.

I used to live around the corner from the Sanctuary: https://nowtoronto.com/news/goth-sex...tarbucks-haunt For years Queen West goths boycotted the place; however, being a neighbour I was one of their first customers.

I clearly remember an interview from that era with a big dance music star (pretty sure it was CeCe Peniston) who was saying "I don't know what the big fuss is about. My music is disco, and there's no shame in that. Disco, dance music... same thing."

Damn now I can't get CeCe Peniston "Finally" out of my head ugh. Of course it was disco-inspired music. Mixmag and Muzik always wrote about the connections all the way back to jazz, disco, even Elvis!

Yes exactly..It was that weird transition period..Gary Numan - Cars may of been part of that as well.

The Monks also come to mind during this period. 79 (ish)
Johny B Rotten, Drugs in My pocket, and Love in Stereo.
Maybe they were only popular in Ontario dunno..

The Knack - "Get the Knack" album as well.

Long live skinny ties..haha

Hmmm, does it have a name?
I am thinking of that great period which produced "Cars" (Gary Numan), "I ran" (A flock of seagulls), "Whip It" (Devo), "Tenderness" (General Public), "If you Leave" (OMD), "It's my life" (Talk Talk)...right around the time I started High School. I file it under New Wave, but some songs have influences from disco, others from ska, and others from punk.

I was about to say. Looks like you discovered new wave, Razor.

Yes..I think you are correct.all of that was indeed considered New Wave..Just early New wave I suppose..When it first broke..Circa 79, and was a new sound with elements of electronica,punk, ska, and disco like you aptly described. It was a short lived synthesizer laden period before the full blown 80's invasion of Duran, Duran, Madonna, and the Culture Club..P.s I loved Devo's Whip it btw..Who didn't?


Yes.. I had to be there to catch it I suppose..I guess we can safely categorize the B52'S and Devo as the pioneers of New Wave.

I hated this tune, but their 1 hit fit that mold.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Avvh5H-EPWU

Oh and this one you both probably forgotten about..Although it came a little later when New Wave was in full swing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMDbX1zksgI

Sherbrooke turned "red zone" a few days ago so the bar is now temporarily closed (as are all others in the city), I'm over there once in a while to keep an eye on things while it's closed. Took a couple pictures of some of the inventory to tempt you ;)

(I had some of these pickled eggs for the first time, they're actually pretty good!)


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Where's the stockpile of 50 :cheers::cheers: No quart bottles. And you call yourself a bar :):):)

Rest assured, there's plenty of 50, there's even plenty of Laurentide! :P

And yeah, most of the inventory by far is in the form of quarts (in Quebec, called "grosse" as opposed to "petite" ;)). That's what nearly everyone drinks. If you look at what's in front of customers, 90%+ of the bottles on the tables are the 750 ml ones. Better value I suppose!

I just looked for MolsonEx for obvious reasons, and photographed the first pile I saw. I'll take more pics for you next time I'm there :cheers:

great to see that the hometown beers are still popular in Quebec. Beats Buttwisser and Coors Fright.