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mcgrath618 Jul 6, 2019 12:42 AM

PHILADELPHIA | 2222 Market Street| 282 FT | 20 FLOORS
 
Philly keeps the ball rolling with these office developments...

Title: 2222 Market
Project: Office
Architect: Gensler
Developer: Parkway
Location: 2200 block of Market Street, Philadelphia, PA
Neighborhood: Center City West (Market West)
District: Center City
Floors: 19 floors
Height: 282 feet

https://www.inquirer.com/resizer/OO2...YSVVYJCVUQ.jpg

https://www.inquirer.com/resizer/1Wu...AI47RMOKQY.jpg

https://www.inquirer.com/resizer/Ib3...XK3NAOYGCU.jpg

Plan for new law firm HQ tower on Market Street receives upbeat welcome from neighborhood committee
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Developer Parkway Corp. is getting positive early feedback from members of a Center City neighborhood group whose support it could need to build a proposed headquarters tower at 23rd and Market Streets for law firm Morgan, Lewis & Bockius LLP.

Janice Woodstock, who co-chairs a task force under the Center City Residents Association that met with the developer last month, said this week that her committee is drafting a letter to Parkway indicating that it is “encouraged by the general outlook” of the proposal.

Morgan Lewis confirmed in May that it is negotiating an agreement with Parkway to anchor the developer’s planned 18-story tower, which would be built to occupy most of the southern side of the 2200 block of Market Street at a cost of $175.9 million. The law firm is currently located at 1701 Market St.
Architectural renderings of Parkway’s proposed 2222 Market St. tower by design firm Gensler show a glass-and-brick building divided into six horizontal sections offset over one another to form terraces and overhangs.

Woodstock said she expects Parkway to seek the CCRA’s support for zoning relief needed to permit the office project, but that members of her task force appeared to prefer the scheme over a hypothetical proposal for a residential tower at the site that would need no land-use exceptions.

ScreamShatter Jul 6, 2019 1:48 PM

Great addition for center city. And really like the design!

summersm343 Jul 6, 2019 3:08 PM

LOVE this project. Fantastic design. BUILD IT!

jsbrook Jul 6, 2019 3:45 PM

Definitely a big fan of this design. I hope it comes to fruition fairly close to what is rendered. Gensler has done some pretty nice projects. Absent excessive value engineering, there is reason to believe this will turn out well. Still hoping that Morgan Lewis's current building is repurposed as residential. https://www.google.com/maps/place/17...!4d-75.1686717

Plokoon11 Jul 6, 2019 7:24 PM

Imagine if they built this in Bristol, Wilmington, Camden or Trenton? I wish this was 300+ but I will take it! Its in a location that needs density and can be seen easily.

jsbrook Jul 7, 2019 7:40 PM

This will play well with Riverwalk too. I bet there will be a lot of younger MLB associates and staff who decide to live there. Maybe some older as well.

JMKeynes Jul 7, 2019 9:25 PM

Go Philly!!! :cheers::cheers::cheers:

Skintreesnail Jul 8, 2019 4:56 PM

like the design, but does it bug anyone else that 7-eleven and that pub are still there? It's insignificant in the grand scheme of things, it just looks weird to me.

jsbrook Jul 8, 2019 6:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Skintreesnail (Post 8626592)
like the design, but does it bug anyone else that 7-eleven and that pub are still there? It's insignificant in the grand scheme of things, it just looks weird to me.

Yep. Posted the same thing in the general Highrise Developments thread before this got its own thread. It does look odd. And those buildings are grimy. I hope they at least get a powerwash, but a nice residential midrise would also be nice there.

KevinFromTexas Jul 9, 2019 3:35 PM

The Business Journal has another rendering showing the rooftop amenity deck.

https://www.bizjournals.com/philadel...tml#g/456726/3

https://i.imgur.com/TVyrccG.jpg

summersm343 Jul 9, 2019 4:06 PM

This building is badass!

mcgrath618 Jul 9, 2019 4:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by summersm343 (Post 8627647)
This building is badass!

Seriously. This area is going to do a total 180 if/when this thing goes up. This stretch of Market is deaaaaad.

Milksteak Jul 10, 2019 1:00 PM

This is the kind of architecture I want to see us move towards. It's interesting, unique, and nice on the eyes all at the same time. Reminds me of something you'd see in Hudson Square along the river.

Jawnadelphia Jul 10, 2019 1:06 PM

^I agree. I like the wood, dark brick, clean glass. Very Scandinavian-esque.
I guess with Gensler being the architect it will have a similar look to the new Aramark HQ, and I like that.

jsbrook Jul 10, 2019 4:08 PM

Love the new render and the rooftop amenity deck! Great space!

thisisforreal Jul 10, 2019 4:42 PM

It reminds me of the scaled back version of the proposal for 2120 Market.

http://hiddencityphila.org/wp-conten...100Market1.jpg

I had to double-check the address to make sure it wasn't a revised vision of the same lot. If both got built, the pair of offsets and elevated shrubberies a block apart would be pretty cool.

jsbrook Jul 10, 2019 4:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thisisforreal (Post 8628746)
It reminds me of the scaled back version of the proposal for 2120 Market.


I had to double-check the address to make sure it wasn't a revised vision of the same lot. If both got built, the pair of offsets and elevated shrubberies a block apart would be pretty cool.

It's definitely a different lot. The image in your render is for the lot next to the Memorial in the block directly east. There's a separate thread on it here too. It's old, though, as no new news in some time.

Jawnadelphia Aug 2, 2019 6:03 PM

Morgan's move to 2222 Market is now official (at least internally), company employees were notified via email today -- the expected move-in date is January 2023.

Londonee Aug 2, 2019 6:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jawnadelphia (Post 8648088)
Morgan's move to 2222 Market is now official (at least internally), company employees were notified via email today -- the expected move-in date is January 2023.

Good news - another lot bites the dust it seems.

Londonee Aug 2, 2019 6:16 PM

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/3A...-Lsem2Rg=w2400

Some attention now goes across the street with that absurd lot.

Can someone explain to me:

1) why their over-all Market value has stayed the same for the past 7 years and meanwhile everyone else's in the area - including mine 4 blocks south - continues to climb?

2) What did they "improve" for 2020 to earn a $7.4mm exemption on the property?

3) WHy did their taxable land value decrease in 2020? Isn't that the opposite of what the city is trying to do?

F*&K this lot and these jack-asses for squatting on it.

christof Aug 2, 2019 6:39 PM

This design is too short. Need to add 20 or so stories to it.

SEFTA Aug 2, 2019 6:43 PM

:ohyeah

Jawnadelphia Aug 2, 2019 6:48 PM

Also, the Morgan Lewis name/logo will be on top of the building in 2 locations, facing north on Market Street, and west towards 30th Street.

mcgrath618 Aug 2, 2019 7:03 PM

Love this project, and I’m happy to hear it confirmed. I guess that means that Chubb is definitely moving into the new building at 20th and Arch, no?

While the height is lacking, this area is a dead zone and there’s a 500’er proposed across the street. I’m looking forward to West Market going forward.

eixample Aug 2, 2019 9:18 PM

Ugh, more logos/company names on top of buildings. Super tacky. Not a fan.

cardeza Aug 6, 2019 12:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eixample (Post 8648295)
Ugh, more logos/company names on top of buildings. Super tacky. Not a fan.

I think this happens in cities all over the US.

eixample Aug 6, 2019 12:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cardeza (Post 8650542)
I think this happens in cities all over the US.

And I am not a fan of any of it being done in excess in any city. Nor am I fan of urban billboards, in which Philly proliferates. Its always curious to me to see which companies push for these. A firm like Morgan Lewis wouldnt seem to be the type to me - I certainly understand why they want to get their name out to the Acela set but it still strikes me odd that a firm with elite global pretensions would do it. This sign is certainly not the worst thing in the world though, I don't want to be too curmudgeonly or a buzzkill on this positive development.

Jawnadelphia Aug 6, 2019 1:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eixample (Post 8650550)
And I am not a fan of any of it being done in excess in any city. Nor am I fan of urban billboards, in which Philly proliferates. Its always curious to me to see which companies push for these. A firm like Morgan Lewis wouldnt seem to be the type to me - I certainly understand why they want to get their name out to the Acela set but it still strikes me odd that a firm with elite global pretensions would do it. This sign is certainly not the worst thing in the world though, I don't want to be too curmudgeonly or a buzzkill on this positive development.

I think you’re wrong on the last points. The whole reason why Morgan is building a new building is to impress, and be a 21st century law firm. I bet putting the logo on top is something they very much wanted, and don’t see it as tacky—but a sort of chest-puffing. You want to be here, type of thing.

^^also speaking of signage, WSFS is in the process of replacing the Beneficial sign atop 1818 Market.

SEFTA Aug 6, 2019 4:19 PM

Off subject, but I was wondering why the Blue Cross Building doesn't use the original elaborate lighting scheme?

Londonee Aug 6, 2019 6:43 PM

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Originally Posted by SEFTA (Post 8650732)
Off subject, but I was wondering why the Blue Cross Building doesn't use the original elaborate lighting scheme?

I've wondered as well - especially after they spent $$10s of millions sprucing/modernizing their pedestrian entrance and experience - and since LED technology almost eliminates the cost factor of crown lighting...seems to just be the typical Philadelphia shrug. Due to the lack of lighting and the building's very dark skin tone, it has a hulking presence on the skyline.

hammersklavier Sep 14, 2019 2:42 AM

Some I can't quite get over is how there are only two other properties that'll be left facing the 2200 block of Market. Whatever eventually replaces them will have to be extremely skinny!
Quote:

Originally Posted by Londonee (Post 8648101)
Some attention now goes across the street with that absurd lot.

Can someone explain to me:

1) why their over-all Market value has stayed the same for the past 7 years and meanwhile everyone else's in the area - including mine 4 blocks south - continues to climb?

2) What did they "improve" for 2020 to earn a $7.4mm exemption on the property?

3) WHy did their taxable land value decrease in 2020? Isn't that the opposite of what the city is trying to do?

F*&K this lot and these jack-asses for squatting on it.

Believe it or not, that lost used to be used for gas storage:

https://www.phillyhistory.org/PhotoA...?mediaId=26097
Source

IIRC the site is still contaminated which naturally continues to put a damper on its redevelopment.

mcgrath618 Sep 24, 2019 7:13 PM

Q2 2020 start date according to the CCD Development report:
https://i.imgur.com/Zqv2zkD.png

arkitect13 Oct 1, 2019 9:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mcgrath618 (Post 8625007)
Philly keeps the ball rolling with these office developments...

Title: 2222 Market
Project: Office
Architect: Gensler
Developer: Parkway
Location: 2200 block of Market Street, Philadelphia, PA
Neighborhood: Center City West
District: Center City
Floors: 18 floors
Height: 220 feet

https://www.inquirer.com/resizer/OO2...YSVVYJCVUQ.jpg

https://www.inquirer.com/resizer/1Wu...AI47RMOKQY.jpg

https://www.inquirer.com/resizer/Ib3...XK3NAOYGCU.jpg

Plan for new law firm HQ tower on Market Street receives upbeat welcome from neighborhood committee

this design is awesome i love it it looks so modern while retaining a connection to the area it in
build it:cheers:

3rd&Brown Oct 2, 2019 2:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Londonee (Post 8648101)
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/3A...-Lsem2Rg=w2400

Some attention now goes across the street with that absurd lot.

Can someone explain to me:

1) why their over-all Market value has stayed the same for the past 7 years and meanwhile everyone else's in the area - including mine 4 blocks south - continues to climb?

2) What did they "improve" for 2020 to earn a $7.4mm exemption on the property?

3) WHy did their taxable land value decrease in 2020? Isn't that the opposite of what the city is trying to do?

F*&K this lot and these jack-asses for squatting on it.

Ask Helen Gym and Alan Domb how this is allowed to happen. My taxes in Northern Liberties have tripled in 5 years (thanks, Kenney!!!).

TK2001 Oct 30, 2019 6:39 PM

Funny how renderings aren't showing the other side. But looking at the renders you can see the core against the south face. I believe there could be a blank wall

iheartphilly Oct 31, 2019 12:15 AM

confirmatory: https://www.commercialcafe.com/comme...-headquarters/

Kevin226 Nov 13, 2019 4:04 PM

Adjacent Condo Building
 
Morgan Lewis had the opportunity to build on other sites for additional tax savings, but chose to build on the 23rd and Market lot. What does this building mean for the neighboring condo building who's views and property values are about to be destroyed? They clearly don't care about the local community they are moving into.

SEFTA Nov 13, 2019 4:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kevin226 (Post 8747241)
Morgan Lewis had the opportunity to build on other sites for additional tax savings, but chose to build on the 23rd and Market lot. What does this building mean for the neighboring condo building who's views and property values are about to be destroyed? They clearly don't care about the local community they are moving into.

Yes. Who could've predicted they build a tower on Market Street? What neighboring condo building? Did you think this Market Street would remain vacant so another building could have a view?

Londonee Nov 13, 2019 4:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SEFTA (Post 8747288)
Yes. Who could've predicted they build a tower on Market Street? What neighboring condo building? Did you think this Market Street would remain vacant so another building could have a view?

He's talking about the building at 23rd and Ludlow. It's just the north facing units that'll struggle. It's like a 5 story building - my rowhome is nearly as tall - if you invested here expecting your views to be preserved forever, then that's kind of silly.

Also, thousands of highly paid lawyers are moving into a state of the art building right next door - I find it hard to believe that your property values will be that dramatically affected once the dust settles.

Jawnadelphia Nov 13, 2019 5:15 PM

They picked that site due to their relationship with Parkway (parking) who owns the lot (as well as the garage in the current Morgan Lewis building), and the site's location on Market Street--with zero encumbrances, close to 30th Street Station/Amtrak/Septa, which falls in line with Center City's continuous movement westward towards University City and Schuylkill Yards.

Kevin226 post sounds incredibly selfish.

mcgrath618 Nov 13, 2019 5:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kevin226 (Post 8747241)
Morgan Lewis had the opportunity to build on other sites for additional tax savings, but chose to build on the 23rd and Market lot. What does this building mean for the neighboring condo building who's views and property values are about to be destroyed? They clearly don't care about the local community they are moving into.

This is a city, not a museum. If you disagree, I don't think you're on the right website.

Skintreesnail Nov 13, 2019 7:13 PM

As others have said, it's kind of silly expecting an empty lot in a highly desirable area on one of the city's main streets to not be developed. Also, I wouldn't expect to get much pity on a development forum, and one named "skyscraperpage" at that.

volguus zildrohar Nov 13, 2019 7:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kevin226 (Post 8747241)
Morgan Lewis had the opportunity to build on other sites for additional tax savings, but chose to build on the 23rd and Market lot. What does this building mean for the neighboring condo building who's views and property values are about to be destroyed? They clearly don't care about the local community they are moving into.

Save that NIMBY jazz for philly.com comments.

This is in the middle of a city and not in The Sunbelt. Check yourself.

PHL10 Nov 13, 2019 9:04 PM

You know, people usually aren't that naive or stupid when buying real estate. If you buy in this building, you'd have to assume that the lot would eventually be redeveloped. If your building was across from a lot that was zoned for a 3 story building and they built a 20 story building, I might have some sympathy....but this is Market Street in Center City, man?!

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...cbaf673e_c.jpg


Look at it this way, Kev. You'll have the same view as the other two sides of your condo building....a view of the building across the street.

SEFTA Nov 13, 2019 11:18 PM

I think you actually are pretty lucky. This building is going to be somewhat iconic. Judging by the renderings, I think the street facades will be handled with great care and interest. It will be an amazing addition to the immediate area. It could have been much worse.

City Wide Nov 14, 2019 1:55 AM

I fully agree that no one should have any expectations for a parking lot on Market St to not be built on, and for a number of reasons I hope the south face of the new building isn't largely blank. I guess it all depends on where the elevator shafts and the rest of the core is located.

Is there a strong sense that this project is a go, or are there still a lot of "ifs" floating around that sidetrack this getting built?

Jawnadelphia Nov 14, 2019 2:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by City Wide (Post 8748012)
I fully agree that no one should have any expectations for a parking lot on Market St to not be built on, and for a number of reasons I hope the south face of the new building isn't largely blank. I guess it all depends on where the elevator shafts and the rest of the core is located.

Is there a strong sense that this project is a go, or are there still a lot of "ifs" floating around that sidetrack this getting built?

It’s 100% a go.

iheartphilly Nov 14, 2019 2:56 AM

Speaking of Parkway, anyone know if this one from them is gonna be developed anytime soon? This is such a prime lot that I'm surprised that no one has step up to develop it.

https://www.parkwaycorp.com/real-est...-cherry-street

Londonee Nov 14, 2019 3:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by iheartphilly (Post 8748066)
Speaking of Parkway, anyone know if this one from them is gonna be developed anytime soon? This is such a prime lot that I'm surprised that no one has step up to develop it.

https://www.parkwaycorp.com/real-est...-cherry-street

That lot has been tied to potential future PAFA developments, no?

i mean...they also own (or are in partnership with) what's now the most conspicuous lot in Center City - the lot 80ft off Rittenhouse Square at 20th/Walnut. Almost across the street from the Laurel...

iheartphilly Nov 14, 2019 4:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Londonee (Post 8748101)
That lot has been tied to potential future PAFA developments, no?

i mean...they also own (or are in partnership with) what's now the most conspicuous lot in Center City - the lot 80ft off Rittenhouse Square at 20th/Walnut. Almost across the street from the Laurel...

I don't recall hearing any public expansion plans for PAFA on that lot. Did you?

Yeah, 20th/Walnut is also prime location. It's a smaller lot. Maybe more McMansions in the sky on a smaller scale. But, we have a lot of luxury units coming online in the future. Not sure what else could work there. Thoughts?


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