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UrbanImpact Apr 7, 2015 1:33 PM

Hopefully this is never built. Two large shopping malls are being built in Downtown Miami (Brickell City Center and Miami World Center) and there are plenty of malls around. This proposal is only going to cause congestion and encourage growth where it is not needed (edge of the burbs). I'm sorry but I hate the idea.

chris08876 Apr 15, 2015 8:38 PM

Mega-mall project in Northwest Miami-Dade wins state approval for land deal


A land deal at the heart of an ambitious plan to bring the largest mall in America to northwest Miami-Dade County got the green light Tuesday from Gov. Rick Scott and Cabinet members.

In a unanimous vote in Tallahassee, the four-member Cabinet approved 82 acres of state land to Miami-Dade for $12.3 million. The county will then sell it for the same amount to American Dream Miami developer Triple Five.

Some of South Florida’s largest malls urged the Cabinet to reject the American Dream deal, an early sign of the fight ahead for Triple Five as it pursues a shopping destination large enough to have its own indoor ski slope and sea-lion habitat.

“Government should not be deciding winners and losers,” said Shobi Khan, chief operating officer of General Growth Properties, which owns the nearby Pembroke Lakes Mall, as well as downtown Miami’s Bayside Marketplace. “This process has lacked transparency in terms of a formal bidding process. And for the Florida taxpayers, they’re not getting fair compensation for this land.”

The approved transaction allows Triple Five to avoid potential competition in the state’s surplus-land protocols, which give local counties first shot at any spare real estate before it goes up for sale. It also marked an early win for Miami-Dade Mayor Carlos Gimenez, whose administration spent the last year negotiating the American Dream deal in secret and then won quick approval for it last month from the county commission.

With American Dream projecting as many as 25,000 full-time jobs and a $4 billion construction project, Gimenez touts the project as a historic economic boon for Miami-Dade. Critics, including mayoral candidate Raquel Regalado, portray American Dream as bringing mostly low-paying retail jobs and traffic woes. Triple Five owns the Mall of America in Minnesota, and sees Miami able to support an even larger destination.


chris08876 Apr 24, 2015 1:39 AM

Developer of Miami-Dade mega-mall closes land deal


Triple Five Group closed on the purchase of 82 acres in northwest Miami-Dade County as the first piece in its plan to build the largest mall and theme park in North America.

Miami-Dade County sold the land near the southwest corner of Interstate 75 and the Florida Turnpike for $12.3 million to International Atlantic LLC, an affiliate of the Edmonton, Canada-based company. The land was previously owned by the state. The county had the first right of refusal to purchase it without putting it up for bid. Triple Five negotiated a deal with the county to fully fund the purchase of the land, plus pay $7.25 million to Miami-Dade County Public Schools for terminating its lease on part of the property.

The entire project, dubbed American Dream Miami, is planned for 225 acres. International Atlantic has additional acreage in the area under contract with private parties, including the Graham Cos. The property is developed woodlands and pastures. There are many homes just east of Interstate 75.

The developer hasn’t disclosed the size of American Dream Miami, but said it would be larger than the 4-million-square-foot Mall of the Americas that it owns. The project would include shopping, dining, an indoor ski slope, a skating rink, amusement park rides, a theater, a submarine ride, a sea lion show, a hotel, a condo tower, and many other features.

eleven=11 May 17, 2015 11:31 PM


Originally Posted by UrbanImpact (Post 6980331)
Hopefully this is never built. Two large shopping malls are being built in Downtown Miami (Brickell City Center and Miami World Center) and there are plenty of malls around. This proposal is only going to cause congestion and encourage growth where it is not needed (edge of the burbs). I'm sorry but I hate the idea.

so if they dont build the mall Then congestion and growth will get better??
I think its a good location for dade/miami & broward.
the new downtown malls will do fine.
still dont know why I95 is so bad as soon as you hit the county line.
its a slow moving parking lot.

chris08876 Aug 3, 2015 9:51 PM

At American Dream Mall, World’s Largest Indoor Ski Slope Will Open At 10 AM Daily


American Dream mall is already advertising in a local newspaper.

The mall, which will be the largest in the U.S., is being built in Northwest Dade, near Hialeah and Miami Lakes.

The indoor ski slope will be the largest in the world, according to the ad. Skiing, sledding, tobogganing and ski instruction will be available daily year round, starting at 10 AM.

American Dream is being called a luxury shopping and entertainment center, rather than a mall. Developers of the project own Mall Of America in Minnesota, which will be surpassed in size by Miami’s American Dream.

chris08876 Jan 7, 2016 2:42 AM

The proposed American Dream Miami has 40 percent more space than the Mall of America in Minnesota


America has never seen the kind of mega mall planned for Northwest Miami-Dade.

Recent regulatory documents filed by the developer of American Dream Miami, a 200-acre shopping and entertainment complex proposed near Miami Lakes, insist the project is so large and varied that traditional planning and traffic formulas fall short of offering a template for how the attraction would operate on what’s now vacant land where Interstate 75 meets Florida’s Turnpike.

Even Minnesota’s Mall of America, the country’s biggest shopping theme park and widely cited as the closest thing to an American Dream peer, offers only a fraction of what the developer of both projects wants to bring to Miami-Dade. The documents show developer Triple Five wants American Dream to cover 6.2 million square feet of floor space, about 40 percent larger than the Mall of America’s 4.4-million-square-foot presence in Bloomington, Minnesota.

A big difference comes from the actual shopping areas, with American Dream planning to have about 1 million more square feet of retail than the Mall of America has. But the planning documents also show American Dream betting much more heavily on the theme-park side of the business, with about a quarter of the layout taken up by rides, an indoor ski slope, mini submarines and other entertainment options.

At the Mall of America, less than 15 percent of the space falls under the entertainment category. American Dream also is slated to have a 2,000-room hotel, which would be the largest in Miami-Dade.

mrnyc Jan 7, 2016 5:47 AM


Originally Posted by eleven=11 (Post 6980296)
that old mall is from 1976, What does that have do with 2015.

its torn down now, so its a cautionary tale about the eventual fate of the world's largest malls. you'll have to ask again around 2055 lol!

N830MH Jan 16, 2016 5:14 AM


Originally Posted by mrnyc (Post 7290750)
its torn down now, so its a cautionary tale about the eventual fate of the world's largest malls. you'll have to ask again around 2055 lol!

You won't wait for another decades. You can't wait forever. I can't remember where the old malls is? Is that where they used to be?

chris08876 Jan 16, 2016 3:27 PM

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* Clearer layouts in the PDF's.


The 6.2-million-square-foot mall, under development by the Triple Five Group, would be the largest in North America with 3.5 million square feet of retail stores, 2,000 hotel rooms, a 370,000-square-foot theme park, 370,000-square-foot water park, a 200,000-square-foot indoor ski slope, movie theaters, a sports center, outdoor fishing center, miniature golf course, live entertainment venue, plus attractions the developer is calling Submarine Lake, Art Deco Village and Tivoli Garden.

N830MH Jan 17, 2016 6:15 AM

Hmmm. Where is the Food courts is? Where are they? Can't they build a largest parking garage? Well, here's the link:

What do you think?

chris08876 Jun 29, 2016 10:46 PM

Timeline of American Dream Miami mega mall pushed back :(


Triple Five Group’s plans for what would be the biggest mall in North America have reportedly been pushed back due to traffic concerns.

American Dream Miami, a 6.2 million-square-foot project, would be built on about nearly 200 acres in Northwest Miami-Dade County. Triple Five had said it planned to break ground on the Miami development by the end of the year, but it looks like the developer will go before the county commission next year instead.

Triple Five refiled a comprehensive development master plan amendment for the site in November, which should have been voted on in May or June, according to the South Florida Business Journal. The developer’s attorney told the newspaper that Triple Five moved the application to the next cycle, either in February or March of next year, because the county asked for more traffic information and analysis.

Included in the traffic study filed in May is a nearly 4,500-page analysis that covers the mall’s potential impact on areas as far as southwest Broward County, Hialeah and Miami Lakes. According to the report, American Dream Miami would generate close to 70,000 trips a day, and 5,200 during afternoon rush hour – which is up from earlier traffic studies.

Plans for the actual development remain unchanged, the South Florida Business Journal reported. American Dream Miami would include a 2,000-room hotel, a 16-story indoor ski slope, a 20-slide water park, a submarine ride in a man-made salt water lake with an artificial reef, a climate-controlled theme park, a 14-screen 3-D movie theater, a performing arts center and more.

The change also applies to a 309-acre, mixed-use project that the Graham Cos. is planning on neighboring land between I-75 and the Florida Turnpike.
Triple Five, led by Iranian-Canadian developer Eskandar Ghermezian, is known for developing Mall of America in Minnesota.

N830MH Jul 9, 2016 3:16 AM

Can't they have metrorail expansion? Do you have a news yet?

UPChicago Jul 10, 2016 1:43 AM

American Nightmare

Coldrsx Jul 10, 2016 2:10 AM

Bingo... and this comes from a guy with West Edmonton Mall ^in his backyard.

kingkirbythe.... Jul 10, 2016 12:24 PM


eleven=11 Jul 11, 2016 2:22 AM


Originally Posted by kingkirbythe.... (Post 7499035)

maybe maybe not. most people will love this place.
shopping with entertainment.
good location for dade, south dade, west broward
locals and tourists.

Nomadd22 Aug 19, 2016 9:38 PM

I hope it does better than Xanadu. My eyes still hurt from looking at that eyesore.

chris08876 Jan 28, 2017 4:27 PM

American Dream Miami mega-mall wins preliminary vote before County Commission :cheers:


American Dream Miami sailed through to another political victory on Wednesday as Miami-Dade commissioners granted preliminary approval for the $3 billion retail theme park near Miami Lakes and Hialeah.

In a 10-1 vote, the commission granted American Dream’s request to let the approval process move to Tallahassee before the application comes back to Miami-Dade for a final vote later this year. In a boost to American Dream, the commission rejected county staff members’ recommendation to remain neutral in transmitting the application and instead signaled that the board intends to adopt the proposed zoning changes.

“A lot of people would love to have this in their county,” said Commissioner Jose “Pepe” Diaz, whose district includes the American Dream site. “Projects like these don’t happen very often. They rarely happen.”

Triple Five pitched American Dream as a historic opportunity for Miami-Dade to expand its tourism offerings and vie for the family vacationers who currently stream north to Orlando’s theme parks. Opponents branded the project as a new source of low-wage retail jobs that would only draw shopping dollars from existing malls while swamping Northwest Miami-Dade with traffic.

Wednesday’s vote triggers a state review process that is expected to take three or four months, with commissioners taking a final vote on the development plan in April or May. The preliminary approval granted Wednesday comes as county officials say they still don’t have a specific plan to rework nearby roadways to accommodate an estimated 70,000 cars a day from the 200-acre American Dream and its sister project, a 340-acre commercial and residential complex to be built to the south by the Graham Cos.

There also isn’t an agreement on how much Triple Five would pay to address transportation issues, and county officials say they have no plan to extend commuter rail to what would be the largest mall in the United States.

Commissioner Daniella Levine Cava, the lone no vote on the board, said she was concerned that a final vote loomed with so many key issues unresolved.

“It’s not much time, three months. On a very, very complicated development,” she said. “I am not opposed to this project. I see the economic benefit. The question is: at what cost?”

Designed as a larger version of Minnesota’s Mall of America, the six-million-square-foot mall and amusement park would be large enough to include an indoor ski slope, submarine rides and an enclosed water park. Triple Five, owner of the Mall of America, expects 30 million visitors a year and more than 14,000 permanent jobs at the 200-acre complex on a wedge of pastures and wetlands where I-75 meets Florida’s Turnpike.

American Dream’s hiring projections would make the mall Miami-Dade’s largest employment center. An economic-impact report submitted by Triple Five estimates that more than 60 percent of the positions would pay less than $25,000 a year.

N830MH Jan 31, 2017 8:02 AM


Originally Posted by Nomadd22 (Post 7536719)
I hope it does better than Xanadu. My eyes still hurt from looking at that eyesore.

GO to see your eyes doctor. See if you have a eyes problem. You must buy a eyes drop. Your eyes is very dry.

chris08876 Mar 4, 2017 4:11 PM

Planning board taps brakes on American Dream mega-mall momentum. Just a tap, though.


Asked to pass judgment on building the nation’s largest mall, a South Florida planning council on Monday said it would need a little more time. And it agreed to take a vote late next week.

Members of the South Florida Regional Planning Council rejected their staff’s request that they declare the American Dream Miami project “generally consistent” with local development goals. With the recommendation distributed Friday evening, members complained they had only the weekend to review the recommendation for a six-million-square-foot project in Northwest Miami-Dade that’s large enough to have an indoor ski slope, submarine rides and more retail space than Minnesota’s Mall of America.

“I have to object to our even taking this item up right now,” said Steve Geller, a Broward commissioner and council member. “I’m not a Miami-Dade commissioner. I’m a Broward commissioner. Our [county] staff hasn’t had the chance to analyze this.”

The back-and-forth of the obscure board headquartered in Hollywood captures a larger debate over the American Dream project, which sits about a mile south of the Broward line. Critics point to a steamrolling push for approval before Miami-Dade can extract deals from developer Triple Five on traffic, transit funding and other concessions. Representatives of the Canadian company, which owns Mall of America, say state law dictates the timetable and that the project has already been extensively vetted in the public for close to two years.

“We’ve been around for over a year and half,” said Miguel Diaz de la Portilla, the former state senator representing American Dream as a lawyer and lobbyist. “We’ve had two meetings in this very room.”

Council staff said they only received the paperwork from Miami-Dade last week and had to secure a speedy vote in order to inject the board’s verdict into a 30-day review of the project by Florida.

Miami-Dade had expected Florida to take an extra month to review American Dream, which would be the county’s largest development. But Mark Woerner, Miami-Dade’s planning director, said Florida opted to stick with the standard one-month process. The state review was triggered by Miami-Dade giving initial approval of the project on Jan. 25, and the Planning Council’s recommendation would head to Tallahassee, as well. A spokeswoman for the state Department of Economic Opportunity said the review schedule complies with state law.

With Florida’s review under way, the American Dream project faces a final vote before the County Commission in May or June, according to the most recent county schedule. Diaz de la Portilla said Monday the mall plans to open in 2022 and would be built in a single phase. Current plans call for the retail theme park, which expects to attract more than 40 million visitors a year, to be served by county buses and new highway overpasses.

While the planning council’s recommendation is new, the board — made up of elected officials from Broward, Miami-Dade and Monroe counties — has already held hearings on the American Dream plan. And Broward County’s own planning staff has been analyzing the project for impacts to the northern county’s roads and transit system. In September, Broward’s planning division wrote Woerner with its own objections, including concerns more study is needed on traffic outside of Miami-Dade.

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