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T.J.P. Feb 23, 2015 8:00 AM

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Originally Posted by tovangar2 (Post 6924942)
I don't know it, but if you could direct us to the video, maybe there will be enough context to identify it.


tovangar2 --

Unfortunately, this is the only capture I could get from the video. It's pretty much a static shot, the camera remaining in this exact position for about four seconds. The only things moving are a few cars driving by.

Only that establishing clip remained in the final cut of the episode, which is why posting a video won't help -- but thanks anyway.

I know from the script they had written a scene with three characters arriving in front of the building, but that segment was edited in post-production so it is not part of the final episode. I am sure the edited material would help identify the street, but we can't get access to the original cut.

ethereal_reality Feb 23, 2015 9:14 PM

Paul Whiteman, "King of Jazz", arrives in Los Angeles, 1926.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...673/Ni6z8a.jpg
ebay

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800...673/71cuZ3.jpg



Excellent research on the Dreamland Roller Rink Flyingwedge! -very interesting post.
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ethereal_reality Feb 23, 2015 9:17 PM

Looks like the family's woody ran out of gas just before reaching Disneyland.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/912/NYy3Hv.jpg
old file/screen_grab, unknown film.

KevinW Feb 23, 2015 9:32 PM

A Pico/La Cienega Follow up to the follow up


August 13, 1933
http://hdl.huntington.org/utils/ajax...XT=&DMROTATE=0http://hdl.huntington.org/utils/ajax...XT=&DMROTATE=0 http://hdl.huntington.org/cdm/single.../id/4286/rec/2

Wow what a difference 13 years makes. Virtually the same angle but you can barely make out the Fox Carthay Theater tower now that it's all filled in. Poor golfers...

1946
http://hdl.huntington.org/utils/ajax...XT=&DMROTATE=0http://hdl.huntington.org/utils/ajax...XT=&DMROTATE=0http://hdl.huntington.org/cdm/fullbr...gleitem/rec/42

http://hdl.huntington.org/utils/ajax...XT=&DMROTATE=0http://hdl.huntington.org/utils/ajax...XT=&DMROTATE=0
http://hdl.huntington.org/utils/ajax...XT=&DMROTATE=0http://hdl.huntington.org/utils/ajax...XT=&DMROTATE=0




http://hdl.huntington.org/utils/ajax...XT=&DMROTATE=0http://hdl.huntington.org/utils/ajax...XT=&DMROTATE=0

ethereal_reality Feb 23, 2015 9:48 PM

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Originally Posted by MartinTurnbull (Post 6905659)
I know this is probably a long shot but I told the guy I'd give it a go.

I was approached by someone this week trying to determine where this photo of him was taken. It was a hotel in Hollywood. He said that he remembered walking with this mom to the Chinese Theater, for Sat cowboy movies, and that they passed Gene Autry's office.

But I did do a search in the LA CDs and in 1942 came up with an address for something called “Artists Agency” at 6371 Selma. It's listed as an employment agency and lists three names: Gene Autry, John Marvin, David Gordon.

That address on Selma Ave is six blocks or so east of Grauman’s Chinese, so it’s possible that’s the office they passed, which indicates that the hotel shown in his photo was farther east than that seeing as how they passed Autry’s office on the way to Grauman’s.

So I'm posting this photo in case someone recognizes the octagonal fountain out the front.

Thanks!

http://www.martinturnbull.com/wp-con...2/scan19-1.bmp


Martin, the only hotel in Hollywood that I could think of with a courtyard like the one in your friend's photograph is the Vine Manor Hotel on Vine.

Here is a slide showing the courtyard in 1953.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...537/Ml0lUg.jpg
https://www.flickr.com/photos/electr...n/photostream/



below: The Vine Manor Hotel on the east side of Vine St. at Yucca St. (that's Hollywood & Vine in the distance), 1953.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...538/wpCoEX.jpg
https://www.flickr.com/photos/electr...n/photostream/




The hotel is visible in this screengrab from the film noir "City of Fear", 1959.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...907/qJzi0G.jpg
http://dearoldhollywood.blogspot.com...1_archive.html


The Vine Manor Lodge has been replaced by a modern office building.
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HossC Feb 23, 2015 10:20 PM

Thanks for the excellent follow-up about Dreamland, Flyingwedge. What a transient life the roller rink had. :(


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Another motel postcard that I found on eBay. The seller dates it vaguely at pre-1980, but the Moytel Motel at 946 Yale Street appears as far back as the 1961 CD.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...ytelMotel1.jpg
http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...ytelMotel2.jpg
eBay

Here's the motel today. I don't know if the roof details ever matched the postcard, but the upper floor and tall sign seem pretty close. I found a picture of the sign on jericl cat's Flickr account which includes the comment that it's not lit at night. The caption also says that the motel "has turned to long-term occupancy".

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...ytelMotel3.jpg
GSV

There were also a couple of references to the motel appearing in an episode of 'The A-Team' called 'The Maltese Cow' (season 2, episode 13). It's only seen in the background as these cars crash into some garbage cans. From what I can see, it hasn't changed much since 1984.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...ytelMotel4.jpg
Universal TV/Stephen J. Cannell Productions

Various other locations in or near Chinatown can also be seen in this episode. The bad guys' headquarters in the Wan Chu Laundry (below) is actually 905 Yale Street. The building still stands. I also spotted N Hill Street, N Broadway and Mei Ling Way.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...YaleStreet.jpg
Universal TV/Stephen J. Cannell Productions

The building they used for the police station is the 1929 former Hills Bros Coffee Building on Mateo Street.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...treetATeam.jpg
Universal TV/Stephen J. Cannell Productions

BifRayRock posted some great construction pictures of this building in post #13969, including the one below. The building in the background is the old Metropolitan Warehouse building on E 6th Street which also appeared in the background of a picture posted recently by e_r. I posted a current GSV image in post #26175. It look like the tower never contained a clock!

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...Warehouse2.jpg
California State Library

Finally, another screengrab from the A-Team episode. This is just a static camera shot with cars passing to establish a location, although I'm pretty sure the following scenes aren't filmed here. It's not the Tiki Bahia Motel in Anaheim that I posted about recently, and I don't think it's the Bahia Motel of Hollywood at 5265 Sunset Boulevard either, so does anyone recognize it?

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...MotelATeam.jpg
Universal TV/Stephen J. Cannell Productions

ethereal_reality Feb 24, 2015 12:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HossC (Post 6926168)
A screengrab from the A-Team episode. This is just a static camera shot with cars passing to establish a location, although I'm pretty sure the following scenes aren't filmed here. It's not the Tiki Bahia Motel in Anaheim that I posted about recently, and I don't think it's the Bahia Motel of Hollywood at 5265 Sunset Boulevard either, so does anyone recognize it?

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...MotelATeam.jpg
Universal TV/Stephen J. Cannell Productions



There was also a Bahia in Montebello Hoss.....maybe that's the place.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...537/4qthHB.jpg
ebay

ethereal_reality Feb 24, 2015 1:11 AM

"Redondo Junction, south of the station about 3 miles. That's the LA river bed, the scene of illegal street racing thru the 1950s."


http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...633/dfz8Zv.jpg
http://www.jalopyjournal.com



This slide was posted (at jalopyjournal) with the above aerial, but is this the same roundhouse? (the gas-meters seems awfully close)

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...673/4dN7Qa.jpg
http://www.jalopyjournal.com/historyoflosangeles/page56

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HossC Feb 24, 2015 1:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 6926325)

There was also a Bahia in Montebello Hoss.....maybe that's the place.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...537/4qthHB.jpg
ebay

Thanks e_r. I tried searching again with quotes around "bahia motel", and think I've answered my own question. It looks like the A-Team Bahia Motel was in Burbank at 3400 W Olive Avenue. The signage and general appearance are slightly different, but close enough to make me think that this is the place.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...iaBurbank1.jpg
http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...iaBurbank2.jpg
sanfernandovalleyblog.blogspot.com

Here's a daytime shot.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...iaBurbank3.jpg
www.tikiroom.com

Its proximity to the studios probably explains why it was used as an establishing shot. Looking at Historic Aerials, it looks like the building, just north of the Ventura Freeway, lasted into the '90s.

HossC Feb 24, 2015 1:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 6926376)

"Redondo Junction, south of the station about 3 miles. That's the LA river bed, the scene of illegal street racing thru the 1950s."

(the gas-meters seems awfully close)

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...673/4dN7Qa.jpg
http://www.jalopyjournal.com/historyoflosangeles/page56

Here's the roundhouse and gasometers in 1948. The large gasometer is still there in the 1972 image, but gone by 1980.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...eGasometer.jpg
Historic Aerials

ethereal_reality Feb 24, 2015 2:22 AM

"Edgeware shuttle, 1946"

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...537/q5gZ1Z.jpg
Ralph Cantos collection at www.pacificelectric.org



Here is the same view today. (the apartment bldg. is on the northwest corner of Douglas St. and Kensington Road in Echo Park)

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...540/DpTFRS.jpg
GSV




The apartment building is actually quite nice. Here is a much better view.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...538/DRTxIM.jpg
GSV


What the 1946 slide doesn't show is this nice Victorian on the southwest corner of Douglas & Kensington.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...909/n6YGY0.jpg
GSV


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JScott Feb 24, 2015 2:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 6926376)
"Redondo Junction, south of the station about 3 miles. That's the LA river bed, the scene of illegal street racing thru the 1950s."


http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...633/dfz8Zv.jpg
http://www.jalopyjournal.com



This slide was posted (at jalopyjournal) with the above aerial, but is this the same roundhouse? (the gas-meters seems awfully close)

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...673/4dN7Qa.jpg
http://www.jalopyjournal.com/historyoflosangeles/page56

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That may be the same roundhouse Mrs. Leonard took our second grade class on a field trip to during school year 1961-1962. I remember our guide there told us that the roundhouse was soon to be torn down. (That field trip was also the first time I got to ride on the just-opened East LA Interchange section of the new Santa Monica Freeway. I think it only went as far as Alameda at that time.)

Our class's next stop that day was Angels Flight. I'd been there with my mother only a few months before, earlier in 1961, on the day she took me on one of the last Red Car trips down to Long Beach. I think at the time of my second visit to Angels Flight, some of the buildings around the old funicular that were still standing during my first visit had been razed in the meantime. What remained of old Bunker Hill would soon follow suit, as well.

ethereal_reality Feb 24, 2015 3:01 AM

:previous: Thanks for sharing your memories JScott. -remembrances are a treasure.

ethereal_reality Feb 24, 2015 3:07 AM

....another 'mystery' location.


The best clue here is that "Trailer Inn" sign facing the tracks. (is there a stop nearby?)

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/540/FFTgi0.jpg
old file / possibly ebay
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unihikid Feb 24, 2015 4:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 6926499)
....another 'mystery' location.


The best clue here is that "Trailer Inn" sign facing the tracks. (is there a stop nearby?)

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/540/FFTgi0.jpg
old file / possibly ebay
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that has to be somewhere on the burbank line...maybe atwater? and the first slide of the redondo roundhouse has to be from the mid to late 70s..i spy some amtrack double stacked passenger cars...

tovangar2 Feb 24, 2015 6:24 AM

"Update" on El Aliso
 
Nathan Masters sent me this photo of El Aliso today, which he just found at the Seaver Center. It's the first picture I've seen of the Maier & Zobelien Brewery with the tree in place. Mayer and Zobelien took over the property in 1882. This view was taken between when the larger buildings went up in 1889 and when Maier had all El Aliso's branches cut off in 1892, over Zobelien's strong objections. The tree looks ethereal:

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-7...32515%2BPM.jpg
seaver center

To give some indication of how El Aliso was diminished over the years there are four pix below. Going backwards in time:

The Philadelphia Brewery was in business from 1875 until 1882 when Maier and Zoebelein took it over (they were already shareholders). The tree looks like it's been trimmed back on its south side in this ca 1880 photo, but El Aliso's northern branches reach out to shade Aliso St:
http://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-e2...72817%2BPM.jpg
militant angeleno

Jean-Louis Vignes got control of the property in 1837 and became wildly successful with the El Aliso Winery. By 1849 he was producing 150,000 bottles per year in what was California's largest vineyard, from vines he imported from Bordeaux, making the name "El Aliso" famous throughout the state. In about 1855, the then-elderly Vignes sold the business to his nephews, Pierre and Jean-Louis Sainsevain. However, the brothers expanded the business too rapidly and got into financial difficulties.

The photo shows the tree in ca 1873. It looks a bit skimpy (it may have been a drought year):
http://www.kcet.org/updaily/socal_focus/00067251.jpg
lapl

JScott previously posted this 1870 view of El Aliso in the distance, beyond the Macy St covered bridge, from the NE. The tree looks lush and healthy:
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-t...34658%2BPM.jpg
boyle heights history blog

That takes us back to the first photo of Los Angeles ca 1867. El Aliso's great, round, dome-shaped crown reaches down to the ground. Someone had a theory that the church was built to face the tree, ignoring the Laws of the Indies. Whatever the case, El Aliso made a lofty and reassuring landmark in our tiny city:
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-P...74128%2BPM.jpg
lapl

JScott Feb 24, 2015 9:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 6926492)
:previous: Thanks for sharing your memories JScott. -remembrances are a treasure.


Thank you, e_r, for posting those photos. It was nice to see the place again, and they proved my recollections of that day were not quite right. All these years, I thought the roundhouse we visited was south of the Santa Monica Freeway, but now I see plainly it wasn't, after all.

oldstuff Feb 24, 2015 3:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HossC (Post 6926379)
Thanks e_r. I tried searching again with quotes around "bahia motel", and think I've answered my own question. It looks like the A-Team Bahia Motel was in Burbank at 3400 W Olive Avenue. The signage and general appearance are slightly different, but close enough to make me think that this is the place.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...iaBurbank1.jpg
http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...iaBurbank2.jpg
sanfernandovalleyblog.blogspot.com

Here's a daytime shot.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...iaBurbank3.jpg
www.tikiroom.com

Its proximity to the studios probably explains why it was used as an establishing shot. Looking at Historic Aerials, it looks like the building, just north of the Ventura Freeway, lasted into the '90s.

That is the one on Alameda ( not actually Olive) in Burbank. The building in the background is NBC which just moved from that location to the Universal lot. You can see the edge of the roof of one of the NBC soundstages in the center of the background and the building on the left with the horizontal windows is the "new" news building which had the giant ad for whatever was coming up on the left side, just out of frame in the initial picture.

The hill in back of the color picture at the bottom is what was formerly part of the backlot of Warner Brothers. I remember as a child, driving on Barham Blvd and seeing them filming cowboys and Indians or stagecoaches on roads at the base of that hill. Now there is a huge apartment complex (Oakwood) on that land.

The assessor's office has the current building on the lot as being built in 1973-1977. That seems to be about right since the motel was there when I was in high school and not there after.

Ed Workman Feb 24, 2015 4:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by unihikid (Post 6926589)
that has to be somewhere on the burbank line...maybe atwater? and the first slide of the redondo roundhouse has to be from the mid to late 70s..i spy some amtrack double stacked passenger cars...

Santa Monica Airline, about to re-open as the Expo LRT The PCCs were tried out when new but the track was too rough. I strongly suspect this occaision was a fantrip The line to Glendale was double track

ethereal_reality Feb 24, 2015 5:43 PM

Are you ready for another mystery location? :)

In the view below, I believe we're looking northeast toward Beverly Hills City Hall (the white tower in the distance) from an unnamed rooftop café.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...673/jkAGy2.jpg
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...538/7n6cUZ.jpg
old file of mine / ebay possibly

I thought it would be interesting to try and find out where the photographer was positioned. I am curious about the name of the rooftop café obviously, but also the street
that's less than a block away, with the various interesting building. I'd like to see if they're still there.

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