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ethereal_reality Oct 11, 2014 9:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Handsome Stranger (Post 6764864)

Recently the building at the southeast corner of La Brea and Edgewood underwent a major overhaul, and for a time the renovation work exposed a fascinating peek at the building's distant past. I love the sunburst design at the top, and I'm really curious about what might have been mounted in those two large horizontal areas...Coca-Cola signs, perhaps?

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-l...0/calers-3.jpg

Oh man, thanks for sharing your photographs with us Handsome Stranger.

It looks like the sun portion of the sign is tin that has been tacked onto the facade. (if you look closely you can see that the sun's rays are raised)
I wonder if you asked nicely, they might have given you the sun. ;)

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Martin Pal Oct 11, 2014 9:59 PM

We were discussing Pandora's Box last month and it's location on Sunset Blvd. I discovered this picture of the Chateau Marmont Hotel which has another perspective of that.

http://www.martinturnbull.com/wp-con..._40s50s_d1.jpg

The cars seem to indicate the photo was taken in the late 1950's...the Garden of Allah is still there amongst the trees on the right side of the photo.

At the top left you can see where Crescent Heights is curving onto Sunset Blvd. To the immediate right of that is a reddish roofed building and a large and smaller biilboard. That's where Pandora's Box was located, although it wouldn't be that until around 1962, I believe. I find this location fascinating as it is surrounded (in a triangle) by three streets.

In the very top right of the photo is a glimpse of the Granville Apartments and in the very top left corner you can see Googie's restaurant which was next door to Schwab's Drugstore.

Oh yeah, and that's the Chateau Marmont taking up most of the photograph!

ethereal_reality Oct 11, 2014 10:12 PM

:previous: Great find Martin_Pal! Thanks for posting it.
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I used the 'search' function and nothing came up for Ganesha so here goes.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...633/1N4wB4.jpg
Jack Finn Collection at http://www.pacificelectric.org/pacif...ion-in-pomona/

This junction was in the Pomona area.
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ethereal_reality Oct 11, 2014 10:51 PM

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...538/1PM7qQ.jpg
ebay


-luckily, the address was included on the back.
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800...661/HUrCGC.jpg




Today it's a bit difficult to see, surrounded by all the lush foliage. (I like it though...it looks enchanted :))
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...673/ul8ZSD.jpg
GSV

6347 W. 5th Street, Los Angeles CA
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HenryHuntington Oct 12, 2014 2:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Handsome Stranger (Post 6764864)
Nice find! Is that a streetcar line extending down San Vicente?

The line shown on the map is the Pacific Electric (earlier Los Angeles Pacific) Santa Monica via Beverly Hills line. Passenger service was converted to motor coach operation on July 7, 1940.

Godzilla Oct 12, 2014 4:02 AM

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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 6765369)
Oh man, thanks for sharing your photographs with us Handsome Stranger.

It looks like the sun portion of the sign is tin... that has been tacked onto the facade. (if you look closely you can see that the sun's rays are raised)
I wonder if you asked nicely, they might have given you the sun. ;)

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A little more info on Calers Food Center > http://formstracedbylight.blogspot.c...s-history.html



http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-NBet5e17fY...27s+food+2.jpg
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-NBet5e17fY...27s+food+2.jpg



Can't help but compare the relief to another building at 435 North La Brea (previously posted here http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=10762).


http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...ter&DMROTATE=0http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...ter&DMROTATE=0



http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...ter&DMROTATE=0http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...ter&DMROTATE=0
http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...ter&DMROTATE=0http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...ter&DMROTATE=0
http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/si.../id/2229/rec/1




Food, drugs and liquor. Almost everything, conveniently under one roof.:cool:


http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...ter&DMROTATE=0http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...ter&DMROTATE=0
http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...ter&DMROTATE=0http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...ter&DMROTATE=0

Godzilla Oct 12, 2014 4:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Handsome Stranger (Post 6764864)

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-9...0/calers-1.jpg

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-e...0/calers-2.jpg



Sadly, the renovations are done now and the Calers imprint is no longer visible.


Earlier facade - 1150 S. La Brea
http://s.lnimg.com/photo/poster_1920...6487bf46da.jpghttp://s.lnimg.com/photo/poster_1920...6487bf46da.jpg

ethereal_reality Oct 12, 2014 3:16 PM

:previous: That facade is awful. -and to think the ghost sign was behind it all these years.

What's up with that billboard on the right that has City Hall situated in the Hollywood Hills?

ethereal_reality Oct 12, 2014 7:17 PM

Here's a great vintage decal.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...673/6oisxu.jpg
ebay


At first I thought the Skatium was the same place as the Culver City Rollerdrome (shown below) -as they're both on W. Washington Blvd.

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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 5988998)

But, it isn't. I just found some vague information on Skatium here:
http://cinematreasures.org/theaters/2409

It was a business (or act) of some sort founded in 1954 by Howard 'Hangman' Cantonwine. (from a comment at cinematreasures)

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ethereal_reality Oct 12, 2014 7:31 PM

While searching for more information on the Skatium, I found a photograph of the interior of the Culver City Rollerdrome.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/633/oBOP9y.jpg
http://media-cache-cd0.pinimg.com/or...6c47e58f33.jpg

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HossC Oct 12, 2014 9:07 PM

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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 6766101)

At first I thought the Skatium was same place as the Culver City Rollerdrome (shown below) -as they're both on W. Washington Blvd.

But, it isn't. I just found some vague information on Skatium here:
http://cinematreasures.org/theaters/2409

It was a business (or act) of some sort founded in 1954 by Howard 'Hangman' Cantonwine. (from a comment at cinematreasures)

That article says that the current building at 2517 W Washington Boulevard is the same 1923 building that once housed the Arlington Theatre and the Skatium. The property websites seem to agree with the 1923 build date.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...LASkatium1.jpg
GSV

The Skatium appears in the City Directories from 1956 to 1973. One of the links in the Cinema Treasures article is dead, but the post seems to suggest that the Skatium closed around 1980. I found this picture of an old sign on flickr. There's no date with the picture, but it predates the historic Streetview images I checked. I'm still looking for pictures of the Skatium when it was open.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...LASkatium2.jpg
jericl cat on flickr

ethereal_reality Oct 12, 2014 9:19 PM

:previous: How cool is that! -great find HossC. I hope someone rescued the Skatium sign.

I just read that Howard Cantonwine intended to open six Skatiums.
http://www.infinitecore.ca/superstar...?threadid=4044





And on a different subject: Here's an interesting bit of ephemera.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...537/55exXU.jpg
ebay

I have my fingers crossed that there's a photograph out there somewhere of that world's largest mailbox.

reverse
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...537/OxhdM9.jpg

You even get a Spanish Dinner.

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Handsome Stranger Oct 12, 2014 10:00 PM

My hat is off to HossC for his excellent detective work on the history of 1150 S La Brea! I'm kind of astonished that it was the Shelby dealership for a time, considering how small the building is and the incongruence of an exotic auto dealership located in a fairly ho-hum section of mid-city Los Angeles.

I'm fascinated too by the additional photo posted by Godzilla. The top of the "sunburst" seems very rough-edged where it meets the roofline. I have a sneaking suspicion it may have originally extended well beyond the roofline, and was simply sawn off when Caler's folded. Hopefully a photo of the building in it's "Caler's Food Market" incarnation will turn up one day. I'm also curious to know whether the front of the market was open to the street, as seems to have been common to many Los Angeles markets in the 1930s.

Here are two photos of the same building as it looks now, post-renovation.

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-9...0/calers-4.jpg

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-I...0/calers-5.jpg

It's a little hard to see, but the sunburst (or what remains of it) was simply painted over.

ethereal_reality Oct 12, 2014 11:43 PM

The Steel Trap (1952) is showing later tonight on TCM at 10:00 eastern time / 7:00 Pacific.
It's an exciting movie with numerous Los Angeles locations.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/661/GD0nxo.jpg
http://noirfilms.livejournal.com/159438.html

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Godzilla Oct 13, 2014 12:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Handsome Stranger (Post 6766234)
I'm also curious to know whether the front of the market was open to the street, as seems to have been common to many Los Angeles markets in the 1930s.


I too would guess that Calers was an open front, fresh-air market. Unlike most of the other markets, there does not seem to be much of a street offset conducive to on-street shopping. Even if there were enough room for pedestrian customers and an occasional parked car, some might have shied away from standing there because of oncoming traffic around a blind corner (Edgewood Place). Curious if this part of La Brea received some modifications similar to what occurred near San Vicente. http://skyscraperpage.com/forum/show...ostcount=22729 http://skyscraperpage.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6663623&postcount=22730

In hunting for a photo of Calers I wonder about the hodge podge history of other nearby structures. From memory, 1140 S. La Brea was a "guaranteed" muffler shop for years and years. Bill Burrud, whose animal TV programming proliferated the airwaves approximately 50 years ago was headquartered at 1100 S. La Brea.




1140 S. La Brea - Sign used to say "Guaranteed Mufflers." (?) Only thing missing is a moat. :no:
http://s.lnimg.com/photo/poster_768/...2db8319404.jpghttp://s.lnimg.com/photo/poster_768/...2db8319404.jpg




1100 S. La Brea
http://s.lnimg.com/photo/poster_768/...83741eaa8e.jpghttp://s.lnimg.com/photo/poster_768/...83741eaa8e.jpghttp://pics3.city-data.com/businesse.../7/6617227.JPGhttp://pics3.city-data.com/businesse.../7/6617227.JPG
Bill Burrud
http://www.historyforsale.com/produc...peg/309432.jpghttp://www.historyforsale.com/produc...peg/309432.jpg





A few blocks north of Edgewood Place (La Brea and Sycamore)

1941
http://jpg1.lapl.org/00104/00104583.jpghttp://jpg1.lapl.org/00104/00104583.jpg http://skyscraperpage.com/forum/show...ostcount=19466

CityBoyDoug Oct 13, 2014 3:58 AM

Salad for 1941.....
 
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Originally Posted by Godzilla (Post 6766316)
I too would guess that Calers was an open front, fresh-air market. Unlike most of the other markets, there does not seem to be much of a street offset conducive to on street shopping. Even if there were enough room for pedestrian customers and and occasional parked car, many would shy from standing there because it was on a blind corner (Edgewood Place). Curious if this part of La Brea received some modifications similar to what occurred near San Vicente.
A few blocks north of the target area (La Brea and Sycamore)

1941
http://jpg1.lapl.org/00104/00104583.jpghttp://jpg1.lapl.org/00104/00104583.jpg http://skyscraperpage.com/forum/show...ostcount=19466

I noticed the billboard in the photo above. Here's a recipe from 1941 using that brand of mayonnaise....nostalgia food. Of course there's a thousand ways to make potato salad.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...ps4ded6142.jpg
flickr

Wig-Wag Oct 13, 2014 4:46 AM

Ganesha and Ganesha Junction
 
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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 6765380)
:previous: Great find Martin_Pal! Thanks for posting it.
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I used the 'search' function and nothing came up for Ganesha so here goes.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...633/1N4wB4.jpg
Jack Finn Collection at http://www.pacificelectric.org/pacif...ion-in-pomona/

This junction was in the Pomona area.
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Ganesha Park, California was a tract first opened in Pomona in the 1870’s . It lies a short distance south east of todays Fairplex. There is a Los Angeles County park of the same name at 1575 N. White Avenue.

In 1909 Pacific Electric built it’s Ganesha Park Line as part of a number of lines serving the greater Pomona area in what was known as PE's Eastern District. The Eastern District served the sprawling Orange Empire, running all the way out to Redlands, Riverside and Corona. The Ganesha Park line ran from La verne, down White Avenue to a connection with the Southern Pacific’s Sunset Route and was shared jointly with the Southern Pacific until the latter company abandoned the trackage between their connection and Ganesha Junction in 1947.

PE trackage split 3 ways at Ganesha Junction with the aforementioned line running down White Avenue, a second line continuing southeast to Pomona Junction and down Gary Avenue to Franklin avenue, and a short connector swung northeast to connect with the PE line to North Pomona.

Cheers,
Jack

oldstuff Oct 13, 2014 3:36 PM

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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 6765380)
:previous: Great find Martin_Pal! Thanks for posting it.
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I used the 'search' function and nothing came up for Ganesha so here goes.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...633/1N4wB4.jpg
Jack Finn Collection at http://www.pacificelectric.org/pacif...ion-in-pomona/

This junction was in the Pomona area.
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The street that is now Fairplex, was formerly called Ganesha. I recall this, because I remembered that it was the name of a Hindu elephant headed god. This struck me as somewhat strange in Pomona. But then Pomona was the Roman goddess of fruit...

transitfan Oct 13, 2014 3:55 PM

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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 6764320)
Skyliner bus, downtown L.A. 1979.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/908/xaZoJz.jpg
ebay

I'm not sure what bus-line this would be.
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I saw this pic on one of my Facebook groups. The bus appears to be parked across the street from the old RTD headquarters, which was at 425 S. Main St. We are looking south on Main. The bus was apparently on display and was not on a route, though several RTD routes did serve Main St.

That was one of two doubledecker buses purchased by RTD from the Neoplan corporation, which was based in West Germany. They arrived in 1975 or 1976, I guess they could be considered demos. They operated out of RTD's El Monte division, and ran on commuter routes in the San Gabriel Valley. In 1981, RTD purchased 20 more doubledeckers from Neoplan (9902-9921) and the original two (9900, 9901) were never seen again. Those also operated from El Monte (and later the Pomona division), also on San Gabriel Valley commuter routes. These buses were retired in 1995.

oldstuff Oct 13, 2014 5:22 PM

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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 6765345)
:previous: Thanks for trying M_P. I haven't found anything on the Rancho Grande either.


FredH. I enjoyed your series of before & after photos of S. Main and 51st Street.

originally posted by FredH
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/537/rchaBV.jpg

I was going to joke about the 'bird' on the Main St. sign (thinking it was actually a wire connector behind the sign.
But after looking a little closer, I see that it's throwing a shadow onto the sign, as if it's perched on it.
Hmmm...so is it a bird after all?



Here's a wooden survivor on 51st just off Main St.
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/905/JHLGut.jpg
GSV



Further west on 51st Street, nearer to Broadway, is this impressive survivor.
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/904/x7QAVI.jpg
GSv



Between the two are numerous bungalows with some fine craftman's details.
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/537/CgvUR3.jpg
GSV




CBD had mentioned the many empty lots, and the inability to get investments in the area.
So I was surprised/pleased to see this large construction project rising on Main St. across the street (and a little bit south)
of the corner store shown in FredH's black & white photograph from 1932.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/673/qSuObN.jpg
GSV



And as if by magic, here it is finished. (time traveling from one google-car to another)
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/673/s64ayT.jpg
GSv

I must say it's a nice looking project. (especially compared to some of the other projects being built in L.A.)
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In your "now" pictures of Main and 51st there is a pink house, located to the right of the newly constructed project. That is the house where Emil Aarup, the owner of boat and engine shop lived with his wife and family. It appears mostly unchanged from when it was built in 1907 ( according to the assessor's office)

Emil Aarup was born in Denmark in 1878. He became a naturalized citizen in 1890. He initially lived in New York. His occupation on his naturalization papers indicates he was a boatbuilder. Emil was in California by 1908 when he appears in a directory as a boat builder in Long Beach, working for Fellows Yacht and Marine Construction. In 1910, he then appears in a directory as living Alameda in the bay area. He was a boatbuilder there. This may have been a subsidiary of Fellows.

By September of 1918, when he filled out his draft registration card for WWI he was living in Los Angeles and working in Wilmington as a boat builder for Fellows and Stewart, Inc. At that time he was living. with his wife Elizabeth and two children, in a neat bungalow at 945 W. 45th, Los Angeles. This house, built in 1908, is also still there. The family appears there in the 1920 Census.

Emil appear in a 1925 directory at the Main street address which appears in the pictures. He has his own shop and it is listed as "Marine Engines". They probably were living across the street by that time.

Emil Aarup died in October of 1940.

for someone who can post pictures, find a picture of Emil's shop on Main in the Los Angeles Maritime Museum's Research Library Collection at
http://www.lamaritimemuseum.org/cate...cripts/page/2/


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