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ethereal_reality Jun 11, 2020 12:30 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by JimCraig (Post 8947549)
I believe the name is Barney Ross.

What a surprise that the name on Gibbon's Cloverdale Social Club card was boxer Barney Ross.




Quote:

Originally Posted by Noir_Noir (Post 8947855)

Barney Ross was a lifelong friend of Jack Ruby. He testified as a character witness on Ruby's behalf at his trial for killing Lee Harvey Oswald.


Another old friend of Ruby was one Maurice "Frenchy" Medlevine. He was interviewed for the Warren Commission Report regarding his links to Ruby.


I wonder what Maurice was up to in the mid 1940's.


From an FBI General Crime Survey in 1945.

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My gosh . . .what a discovery Noir Noir!



I found some interesting information on Irving "Ruff" Goldenberg (mentioned, above, with Medlevine) and with a TYPO.


https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/L4On5H.jpg
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/xKQ5qS.jpg
California Organized Crime Report 1957


This is where it gets real weird, folks.

After piecing together bits of information I believe that, there is a slight possibility, Irving Goldberg is the father of. . .are you ready for this?. . . .Frank Gehry!....(don't laugh)


You see:....Frank Gehry's last name, before he changed it, was Goldberg. . .and Gehry's father's first name was Irving.


below: note the mention of slot machines.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/le3lF0.jpg
encyclopediaofworldbiograhies



Here's a 2nd source that also mentions slot machines.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...922/uaVyq3.jpg






They had relatives with connections to mobsters.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...923/IcRSc1.jpg



And this is very strange. Irving Goldberg was buried as Irving Gehry.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...922/aQW9GR.jpg

Why would they do that? :shrug:




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ethereal_reality Jun 11, 2020 12:56 PM

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Before I sign off I have a favor to ask.



I happened upon this (see below) but google doesn't allow me to see Page 90.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...923/rGjjEE.jpg
link


I really want to find out more about the Culver Auto Dealers' Club.

Help!


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odinthor Jun 11, 2020 1:49 PM

e_r, here's all that I could find in a quick check of the LA Times archive. It's from a long long article which doesn't otherwise mention the club:

https://i.postimg.cc/5yqpy3J3/Culver...AT-9-20-58.jpg
LA Times, 9/20/1958

edit add:

And this long-winded link takes one to a page of interest in the Journal of the California State Assembly:

https://books.google.com/books?id=tMp43AmMICgC&pg=RA1-PA51&dq=%22culver+auto+dealers%27+club%22&hl=en&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjxz8r78_npAhX6JzQIHTqUCT4Q6AEwAHoECAIQAg#v=onepage&q=%22culver%20auto%20dealers'%20club%22&f=false

Noir_Noir Jun 11, 2020 4:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8948692)
This is where it gets real weird, folks.

After piecing together bits of information I believe that, there is a slight possibility, Irving Goldberg is the father of. . .are you ready for this?. . . .Frank Gehry!....(don't laugh)

You see:....Frank Gehry's last name, before he changed it, was Goldberg. . .and Gehry's father's first name was Irving.


Irving "Ruffy" Goldberg according to his rap sheet was born in Illinois in 1895.


Irving Goldberg, Frank Gehry's father, was born in New York on December 25 1900.

CityBoyDoug Jun 11, 2020 4:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Noir_Noir (Post 8948929)
Irving "Ruffy" Goldberg according to his rap sheet was born in Illinois in 1895.


Irving Goldberg, Frank Gehry's father, was born in New York on December 25 1900.

from wiki:

Born:
Frank Owen Goldberg
February 28, 1929 (age 91)
Toronto, Ontario, Canada

America's nightmare no talent architect.....Frank Gehry.
He's considered an import designer....that is, if you like chaos, combined with visual mental illness.

GaylordWilshire Jun 11, 2020 5:31 PM

He is clearly an important designer and has undeniably been a positive contributor to the LA cityscape for over 50 years. From an actual architecture critic—no less than Reyner Banham, regarding Gehry's 1968 Danziger Studio:

"...what is important and striking is the way in which this elegantly simple envelope not only reaffirms the continuing validity of the stucco box as Angeleno architecture, but does so in a manner that can stand up to international scrutiny. The cycle initiated by Schindler comes round again with deft authority."


https://i.postimg.cc/gJzSxxGM/gehry-danziger-bmp.jpg
LA Conservancy

CityBoyDoug Jun 11, 2020 7:00 PM

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Originally Posted by GaylordWilshire (Post 8949058)
He is clearly an important designer and has undeniably been a positive contributor to the LA cityscape for over 50 years. From an actual architecture critic—no less than Reyner Banham, regarding Gehry's 1968 Danziger Studio:

"...what is important and striking is the way in which this elegantly simple envelope not only reaffirms the continuing validity of the stucco box as Angeleno architecture, but does so in a manner that can stand up to international scrutiny. The cycle initiated by Schindler comes round again with deft authority."


https://i.postimg.cc/gJzSxxGM/gehry-danziger-bmp.jpg
LA Conservancy

When Gehry was doing derivative and copy-work of other architects he could do excellent designs.

Then something went wrong.

The design of the Disney Hall in LA was so defective the exterior had to be partially resurfaced.

Martin Pal Jun 11, 2020 10:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GaylordWilshire (Post 8949058)
He is clearly an important designer and has undeniably been a positive contributor to the LA cityscape for over 50 years. From an actual architecture critic—no less than Reyner Banham, regarding Gehry's 1968 Danziger Studio:
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I think that bolded part was meant, at the very least, as a dig for you and I, CBD.

A journalist asked Frank Gehry what his response was to people who accused him of creating architecture for show:

"Let me tell you one thing. In the world we live in, 98 per cent of what gets built and designed today is pure shit," responded Gehry after raising his middle finger to the questioner. "There's no sense of design nor respect for humanity or anything. They're bad buildings and that's it." El Mundo

I agree with Gehry, 98% of what Frank builds is exactly what he said. He's very self-aware, I guess.

Seriously, like these atrocities: The Museum of Pop Culture in Seattle or The Lou Ruvo Center for Brain Health in Las Vegas. -- which, if you ask me, Frank Gehry should check himself into...immediately.

Hmmm...does giving the finger to a journalist equate to "respect for humanity?"

https://e00-elmundo.uecdn.es/assets/...0796419105.jpg El Mundo

Martin Pal Jun 11, 2020 11:09 PM

By the way, a little thank you to the LAFD yesterday for saving the Hollywood Bowl...

Tweet from the Bowl:

Hollywood Bowl
@HollywoodBowl
Thank you to the Los Angeles Fire Department for keeping the Bowl safe yesterday from a fast approaching brush fire. ❤️👏🏼🧡 #LAFD
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EaMZ9VdU...jpg&name=large #HollywoodBowl

CityBoyDoug Jun 11, 2020 11:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martin Pal (Post 8949353)
I think that bolded part was meant, at the very least, as a dig for you and I, CBD.

A journalist asked Frank Gehry what his response was to people who accused him of creating architecture for show:

"Let me tell you one thing. In the world we live in, 98 per cent of what gets built and designed today is pure shit," responded Gehry after raising his middle finger to the questioner. "There's no sense of design nor respect for humanity or anything. They're bad buildings and that's it." El Mundo

I agree with Gehry, 98% of what Frank builds is exactly what he said. He's very self-aware, I guess.

Seriously, like these atrocities: The Museum of Pop Culture in Seattle or The Lou Ruvo Center for Brain Health in Las Vegas. -- which, if you ask me, Frank Gehry should check himself into...immediately.

Hmmm...does giving the finger to a journalist equate to "respect for humanity?"

Yes, you are very correct Martin.

Gehry designed a residence hall for a university on the east coast. There were so many defects in the design, they figured it was cheaper just to tear the building down. Gehry has no respect for human beings.
In many circles Gehry is considered toxic. He's the last architect they would consider.

KevinW Jun 12, 2020 12:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CityBoyDoug (Post 8948943)
from wiki:

Born:
Frank Owen Goldberg
February 28, 1929 (age 91)
Toronto, Ontario, Canada

America's nightmare no talent architect.....Frank Gehry.
He's considered an import designer....that is, if you like chaos, combined with visual mental illness.

Personally, I love Gehry's work. Disney Hall is brilliant. Do all lines have to be straight and perpendicular? No. And the reason it had to be resurfaced was because it was too shiny, not because it was defective. Maybe you should keep your negative opinions to yourself.


https://ucarecdn.com/fd74ec7e-dfd2-4...size/1300x800/
LA Phil

KevinW Jun 12, 2020 12:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martin Pal (Post 8949353)
I think that bolded part was meant, at the very least, as a dig for you and I, CBD.

A journalist asked Frank Gehry what his response was to people who accused him of creating architecture for show:

"Let me tell you one thing. In the world we live in, 98 per cent of what gets built and designed today is pure shit," responded Gehry after raising his middle finger to the questioner. "There's no sense of design nor respect for humanity or anything. They're bad buildings and that's it." El Mundo

I agree with Gehry, 98% of what Frank builds is exactly what he said. He's very self-aware, I guess.

Seriously, like these atrocities: The Museum of Pop Culture in Seattle or The Lou Ruvo Center for Brain Health in Las Vegas. -- which, if you ask me, Frank Gehry should check himself into...immediately.

https://e00-elmundo.uecdn.es/assets/...0796419105.jpg El Mundo

Hmmm...does giving the finger to a journalist equate to "respect for humanity?"

Wow are you and CBD a bunch of beauty hating old men. The Ruvo Center is, like Disney Hall, modern and beautiful.

https://static.dezeen.com/uploads/20...nk-Gehry-2.jpg
Wikipedia

Funny thing is he's giving the finger to someone with a negative opinion such as your own.
I suppose back in the 20's you'd be screaming at architects for moving away from Beaux Arts and into Deco...

KevinW Jun 12, 2020 12:27 AM

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Originally Posted by CityBoyDoug (Post 8949408)
Yes, you are very correct Martin.

Gehry designed a residence hall for a university on the east coast. There were so many defects in the design, they figured it was cheaper just to tear the building down. Gehry has no respect for human beings.
In many circles Gehry is considered toxic. He's the last architect they would consider.

So Frank Lloyd Wright was a horrible architect? His buildings were notoriously leaky.

CityBoyDoug Jun 12, 2020 1:04 AM

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Originally Posted by KevinW (Post 8949427)
So Frank Lloyd Wright was a horrible architect? His buildings were notoriously leaky.

....https://th.bing.com/th/id/OIP.lL_KK2...r=1.05&pid=1.7

CityBoyDoug Jun 12, 2020 1:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KevinW (Post 8949414)
Personally, I love Gehry's work. Disney Hall is brilliant. Do all lines have to be straight and perpendicular? No. And the reason it had to be resurfaced was because it was too shiny, not because it was defective. Maybe you should keep your negative opinions to yourself.


''So Frank Lloyd Wright was a horrible architect? His buildings were notoriously leaky.''

Maybe you should keep your negative opinions to yourself.

CityBoyDoug Jun 12, 2020 1:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KevinW (Post 8949422)
Hmmm...does giving the finger to a journalist equate to "respect for humanity?"

Wow are you and CBD a bunch of beauty hating old men. The Ruvo Center is, like Disney Hall, modern and beautiful.



Funny thing is he's giving the finger to someone with a negative opinion such as your own.
I suppose back in the 20's you'd be screaming at architects for moving away from Beaux Arts and into Deco...

Well Martin, Kevin is now attacking us on a personal level.
Is it possible Kevin could just state his opinions with the personal attacks?

ethereal_reality Jun 12, 2020 4:44 AM

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Jeez, I'm sorry I brought up Frank Gehry. ... I understand being a critic of his work but the visceral hatred is downright bizarre.

Let's move on.
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Lwize Jun 12, 2020 6:59 AM

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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8949587)
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Jeez, I'm sorry I brought up Frank Gehry. ... I understand being a critic of his work but the visceral hatred is downright bizarre.

Let's move on.
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As a fan of his work (OK, Santa Monica Place was nothing special), I agree with this sentiment. And dumping on Gehry has already been done in this thread.

Next.

ethereal_reality Jun 12, 2020 7:39 AM

Once more. . . . .

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Quote:

Originally Posted by HossC (Post 8947628)
The building on the right is the top of the Statler Hotel, so could the photographer have been on the top floor/roof of the hotel on the part near the Harbor Freeway?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Beaudry (Post 8948009)
Hoss is right I think, that we're on the roof of the Statler. I threw this together:

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...00a9b978_b.jpg
lapl



Beaudry also mentioned that the Tishman 615 building was a blue color before a recent(?) makeover.

This slide, from an earlier post on its neighbor the Gates Hotel, shows the original striking blue color.

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huntington archive / posted earlier by Hoss





There are also a couple good views of the Tishman 615 during the opening minutes of The Omega Man. [1971]


The first glimpse is as a reflection in Charleton Heston's windshield.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/JhFJtV.jpg



This next view, which I'll post a bit larger, shows both the Statler Hotel (on the left) and the Tishman 615 (on the right).

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/6KHgPm.jpg

...Mr. Heston is in that teeny tiny red car on Figueroa..oops Wilshire. (I see the REX ARMS)





Here's the 1:45 video. It's very cool.

Video Link

ethereal_reality Jun 12, 2020 8:14 AM

While I was snooping around the underworld of illegal gambling in Los Angeles I happened upon this 1940's Noll & Company matchbook.


The front has a roulette wheel. .

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worthpoint




The back a pair of dice.

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worthpoint




The inside of the matchbook is especially gambly. ..(I created a word)

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worthpoint

I wonder who owned the company? . . .mobsters, perhaps?


Link
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