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odinthor Feb 18, 2018 10:37 PM

(Edit: Make references to "Budlong" read "Juliet." Thanks, Lomara!)

Scott Charles' great photo reminded me that my mother, aunt, and uncle visited L.A. some time in--if I'm not mistaken--the 1930s. Oddly, it seems that they only took a few (very modest) photos, and those were . . . of themselves around the place where they were staying, at the corner of Budlong and 24th.

The residence where they stayed seems to have survived; but the other corners of the intersection have changed. Here is the place today:

https://s26.postimg.org/5qwl846jt/Bud24.jpg

Here are (left to right) my mother, uncle, and aunt in front of it (observe the pilaster, a survivor; and we see the address, 2401):

https://s26.postimg.org/cu4gnrma1/Bud24BL.jpg

Now you can see the opposite corner, behind my mother and uncle:

https://s26.postimg.org/plimuabhl/Bud24CL.jpg

And parked along the street--around the corner on the side of the place, I think--is one of my mother's suitors, the pipe-smoking Max Good (now there's a name!), which I include because you can see a bit down the street, and I'm sure our auto aficionados can help date the pic by the car(s). I hope Max isn't smoking Nicotiana glauca.

https://s26.postimg.org/qnstcuhg9/Bud24DL.jpg

If they took other pix, right now they're probably in a box somewhere in Nebraska.

Martin Pal Feb 18, 2018 10:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Noir_Noir (Post 8089805)
Looks to be the same building in both pictures. The transom windows have been covered to allow signs in the later picture.

https://s9.postimg.org/taa5vlg1r/6066-_HB.jpg

Some aerials of the Hollywood Blvd./Gower St. intersection. First in 1941 showing 6066 on the corner and the short hop to 6124.

https://s9.postimg.org/hxxkdyk9b/Hol...Gower_1941.jpg
http://mil.library.ucsb.edu/ap_indexes/FrameFinder/ 1941 - Flight C_7595, Frame 26


By 1962 6066 stands isolated on the corner.

https://s9.postimg.org/dosubutvj/Hol...Gower_1962.jpg
http://mil.library.ucsb.edu/ap_indexes/FrameFinder/ 1962 - Flight C_24400_10-174


By 1971 it's ...

https://s9.postimg.org/4ts01dutb/Hol...Gower_1971.jpg
http://mil.library.ucsb.edu/ap_indexes/FrameFinder/ Flight C_2755_21-28


In one of the other pictures in the 1952 set of tallman Max Palmer outside the cafe at 6124, we get a glimpse of 6066 in the background, up at the intersection, between Max and his companion.

https://s9.postimg.org/cza1zlvxr/Blue_Palm_1952.jpg
http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/re...oll44/id/81776

The lack of CD's for the relevant years hinders pinpointing the span of the cafe at each location. It was at 6066 in 1940 but how long before? Sometime between 1940 and 1951 it moved to 6124. It closed at that location between 1956 and 1960.

Last CD reference -

https://s9.postimg.org/w4db9esm7/HB_6066_6124.jpg
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Noir Noir, thanks so much for your additional research! In the aerials, I am guessing the longish building on the right side of the photos and north of Hollywood Blvd. is the Florentine Gardens building, since it is still there and in all of the aerial shots!

Thank you :cheers: to HossC for alerting me to a similar photo on LAPL that shows a bit more of the
building in question. They catalogue it as late 1920's. Both photos together below.

http://hollywoodphotographs.com/photos/lrg/HB-104.jpg
http://jpg1.lapl.org/00007/00007820.jpgLAPL

Martin Pal Feb 18, 2018 11:01 PM

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To add another photo to the 1928 and 1940 shots we have seen of this corner lately, here is one of the
same location from LAPL; Hollywood Blvd., looking east from Gower in 1905.

http://jpg1.lapl.org/00007/00007775.jpgLAPL

Noir_Noir Feb 19, 2018 12:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Noir_Noir (Post 8089805)
Some aerials of the Hollywood Blvd./Gower St. intersection. First in 1941 showing 6066 on the corner and the short hop to 6124.

https://s9.postimg.org/hxxkdyk9b/Hol...Gower_1941.jpg
http://mil.library.ucsb.edu/ap_indexes/FrameFinder/ 1941 - Flight C_7595, Frame 26

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martin Pal (Post 8090249)
Noir Noir, thanks so much for your additional research! In the aerials, I am guessing the longish building on the right side of the photos and north of Hollywood Blvd. is the Florentine Gardens building, since it is still there and in all of the aerial shots!

The Florentine Gardens was missing from those aerials. It's a little more to the right. Here it is in 1941 at 5955 Hollywood Blvd. Nowadays it's numbered 5951.

https://i.imgur.com/g5TwwGC.jpg
http://mil.library.ucsb.edu/ap_indexes/FrameFinder/ 1941 - Flight C_7595, Frame 26

Lomara Feb 19, 2018 1:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by odinthor (Post 8090232)
Scott Charles' great photo reminded me that my mother, aunt, and uncle visited L.A. some time in--if I'm not mistaken--the 1930s. Oddly, it seems that they only took a few (very modest) photos, and those were . . . of themselves around the place where they were staying, at the corner of Budlong and 24th.

The residence where they stayed seems to have survived; but the other corners of the intersection have changed. Here is the place today:

https://s26.postimg.org/5qwl846jt/Bud24.jpg

Here are (left to right) my mother, uncle, and aunt in front of it (observe the pilaster, a survivor; and we see the address, 2401):

https://s26.postimg.org/cu4gnrma1/Bud24BL.jpg

Now you can see the opposite corner, behind my mother and uncle:

https://s26.postimg.org/plimuabhl/Bud24CL.jpg

I really don't think that's the correct intersection. The homes left at 24th and Budlong just don't line up with your photo of the house at 2401, odinthor.

I drove the googlemobile around and I think I found the right house at 2401 Juliet. Take a look, and see for yourself.

The frieze(sp?) above the windows, and the curved walkways seal the deal for me here.

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4668/...9efa8cfd_b.jpg
2401 Juliet St. by Kimberly, on Flickr

ethereal_reality Feb 19, 2018 1:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bristolian (Post 8089802)
It looks to me like an illustration of the Coliseum on the border of your photo. Do you know the reason for this?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scott Charles
Hi, Bristolian - I’ve noticed the Coliseum illustration, too. As to its meaning, sadly, I have no idea.

I come across photographs with this same border every once in awhile on ebay. I always assumed it was for commemorating
the 1932 Los Angeles Olympic Games.



update:
..........just found this pic.

As you can see...the Olympic border is slightly different than the Auto Wheel Cafe border.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...922/Pfqp68.jpghttps://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...922/1D5cJY.jpg

Scott Charles' photograph is cropped off a bit on the sides. Those are BEARS (all we see are legs)

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Olympic photo description:

"The participation of Hollywood celebrities like actor and filmmaker Douglas Fairbanks,
pictured here with Japanese swimmers, helped make the 1932 Olympics a success."


LA84 Foundation via KCET

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CityBoyDoug Feb 19, 2018 2:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8090400)
I come across photographs with this same border every once in awhile on ebay. I assumed it was for commemorating
the 1932 Los Angeles Olympic Games.



update:
..........just found this pic.

As you can see; the Olympic border is slightly different than the Auto Wheel Cafe border.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...922/Pfqp68.jpghttps://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...922/1D5cJY.jpg

Scott Charles' photograph is cropped off a bit on the sides. Those are BEARS (all we see are legs)

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Olympic photo description:

The participation of Hollywood celebrities like actor and filmmaker Douglas Fairbanks,
pictured here with Japanese swimmers, helped make the 1932 Olympics a success. Courtesy of the LA84 Foundation.[/SIZE]


http://natedsanders.com/ItemImages/000044/50091_lg.jpeg
http://natedsanders.com/ItemImages/000044/50091_lg.jpeg

odinthor Feb 19, 2018 2:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lomara (Post 8090377)
I really don't think that's the correct intersection. The homes left at 24th and Budlong just don't line up with your photo of the house at 2401, odinthor.

I drove the googlemobile around and I think I found the right house at 2401 Juliet. Take a look, and see for yourself.

The frieze(sp?) above the windows, and the curved walkways seal the deal for me here.

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4668/...9efa8cfd_b.jpg
2401 Juliet St. by Kimberly, on Flickr

Yes, you're absolutely right. In another pic I didn't post, the lamps shown in the modern pic are shown (so they're survivors). The "Budlong" was what my mother had remembered fifty years later when we were going through the photos. I wonder why that stuck in her mind . . . ?

Scott Charles Feb 19, 2018 2:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8090400)
I come across photographs with this same border every once in awhile.
I assumed it was for commemorating the 1932 Los Angeles Olympic Games.

update:
……….just found this pic.

As you can see; the Olympic border is slightly different than the Auto Wheel Cafe border.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...922/Pfqp68.jpghttps://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...922/1D5cJY.jpg

Scott Charles’ photograph is cropped off a bit on the sides. Those are BEARS (and foliage). All we see of the bears are legs.

Very interesting, ER! In reading this thread I never cease to be amazed at the knowledge you folks here have!

If we apply that theory to my photo of the Auto Wheel Cafe at the time of the Olympics, Uncle Jack (born 2-18-25) would be seven years old, and my father (born 5-16-22) would be ten years old in the photo.

As noted previously, I am no good at judging the age of children. Do the two pictures below look like ages 7 and 10?

https://i.imgur.com/Y6BED97.jpg

ethereal_reality Feb 19, 2018 3:24 AM

Scott Charles, the bear(s) might have the year written inside it. (I just can't remember for sure)

Did you say your aunt has the original photo? You might ask her to look.
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P.S. On closer inspection...the bear on the right appears to have something written on it.

Scott Charles Feb 19, 2018 4:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8090482)
Scott Charles, the bear(s) might have the year written inside it. (I just can't remember for sure)

Did you say your aunt has the original photo? You might ask her to look.
_____

P.S. On closer inspection...the bear on the right appears to have something written on it.

Unfortunately, I think that the edges of the original photo were cut off well before I scanned it. Perhaps someone cut the edges off so the picture would fit in a frame?

On my original, very high resolution scan, you can very clearly see where the edge of the photo ends (and the background of the scanner begins). Plus, after decades of making my living as a professional graphic artist I know I would never crop out any decorative borders if I were scanning an image like this - especially if they had the year printed on them!

Having said that, I zoomed in on the edge of the bear, and to my eyes, it looks like the text on the border simply said “LA” - please see my animated reconstruction below:

https://i.imgur.com/T7QT8fA.gif

ethereal_reality Feb 19, 2018 4:26 AM

That's it! Excellent sleuthing SC.

odinthor Feb 19, 2018 4:40 AM

Here's the pic including the lantern at 24th and Juliet:

https://s26.postimg.org/v4prpcl2x/Bud24_EL.jpg

My mother looks tense. I suspect she's thinking, "Watch where you put your hands, Max!"

Lomara Feb 19, 2018 7:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by odinthor (Post 8090425)
Yes, you're absolutely right. In another pic I didn't post, the lamps shown in the modern pic are shown (so they're survivors). The "Budlong" was what my mother had remembered fifty years later when we were going through the photos. I wonder why that stuck in her mind . . . ?

Budlong is only one block west of Juliet, so maybe they were always crossing Budlong, or parking on Budlong. It is right there. And it goes further north than Juliet.

AlvaroLegido Feb 19, 2018 6:20 PM

Who's he ?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by odinthor (Post 8090547)
Here's the pic including the lantern at 24th and Juliet:

https://s26.postimg.org/v4prpcl2x/Bud24_EL.jpg

My mother looks tense. I suspect she's thinking, "Watch where you put your hands, Max!"

Now we know everybody except the man in the middle.

odinthor Feb 19, 2018 7:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlvaroLegido (Post 8090949)
We know everybody except the man in the middle.

I think he's my aunt's date for the occasion. (Considering the proximity of USC to the location, we are likely seeing some Trojans here.)

While my mother was somewhat austere, my aunt was inevitably bright and cheerful and fun to be with, which always comes out in her pix, young or old. She and I were very close.

The photo is likely being taken by one of the several gal pals who (I know from other pix I didn't post) were in attendance.

Los Angeles Past Feb 19, 2018 9:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8090400)
I come across photographs with this same border every once in awhile on ebay. I always assumed it was for commemorating
the 1932 Los Angeles Olympic Games.



update:
..........just found this pic.

As you can see...the Olympic border is slightly different than the Auto Wheel Cafe border.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...922/Pfqp68.jpghttps://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...922/1D5cJY.jpg

Scott Charles' photograph is cropped off a bit on the sides. Those are BEARS (all we see are legs)

___


Olympic photo description:

"The participation of Hollywood celebrities like actor and filmmaker Douglas Fairbanks,
pictured here with Japanese swimmers, helped make the 1932 Olympics a success."


LA84 Foundation via KCET

_


Yep, here are a couple of snaps of my mother's with the same border. There are others, too, and they all have '1937' or '1938' written on them.

https://otters.net/img/lanoir/barkerhotel1938.jpghttps://otters.net/img/lanoir/southernmanor1937.jpg

PS: Has anyone ever heard of a "SOUTHERN MANOR" in L.A. from that time period? Was it an apartment building maybe? A restaurant?

Scott Charles Feb 19, 2018 10:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Los Angeles Past (Post 8091197)
Yep, here are a couple of snaps of my mother's with the same border. There are others, too, and they all have '1937' or '1938' written on them.

https://otters.net/img/lanoir/barkerhotel1938.jpghttps://otters.net/img/lanoir/southernmanor1937.jpg

Wow, thanks for posting those pictures, LA Past! If you don’t mind me borrowing your complete border, it seems my family photo would have originally looked like this:

https://i.imgur.com/Ow0faAS.jpg

CityBoyDoug Feb 19, 2018 10:41 PM

Are we seeing a bear on those photo borders because of this?

http://worldartsme.com/images/ca-flag-clipart-1.jpg
http://worldartsme.com/images/ca-flag-clipart-1.jpg

ethereal_reality Feb 19, 2018 11:07 PM

All signs point to yes CBD.



Here's another interesting border....with what looks likes, changable dates at the bottom.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...922/UaBX6I.jpgETSY

Is the young lad's photograph a separate piece of the design :shrug:


this small notch makes me think it was slipped into the border
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/3...923/j3bhDP.jpg



& at the bottom of the boy's pic, the shadows make me think there's a small space between the photo and the border.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/3...923/K9IHPn.jpg

theory #1
A photograph was then taken of the two pieces together. (yes, it's exhausting ;))

theory #2
It's still in two pieces.

theory #3
The young lad was actually seated behind a large cut-out (the border)
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