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Step away from the keyboard. Go have some pancakes with maple syrup. Step outside and chill out in the 50 degree weather. Then come back and be respectful. |
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Im fine though, thanks. |
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Also, I spend most of my time on SSP in the Mountain West forum where the Salt Lakers have a bit of a chip on their shoulders due to constantly getting dismissed as a metro of one-ish million, so I’m probably mistakenly projecting some of the many past conversations/debates from that forum onto this thread. So I guess we’re largely in agreement? The Wasatch Front is a weird place. It has a unique urban form that is very elongated and sparse. It’s in a category of its own. |
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Hold on let me count again to be sure. Yep, 1. |
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Another argument that that population growth ≠ high rise growth
Fort Worth is the 2nd fastest growing city in the country and has never built an apartment tower with more than 12 floors, and only has 2 apartment buildings taller than 6 or 7 floor wood-framed buildings. There’s currently a grand total of 2 tower cranes in the city, one is a hospital and another is a garage at a mixed-use project. There’s only been 3 buildings over 12 floors built in the city in the last decade, 1 office, 1 hotel, and 1 senior living center. The population grew 300k in this time period. |
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As for the list in this thread, I'm still not sure if we're counting only LA proper or the urban area. If the latter, it seems too low. |
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EDIT: It also has 10,220 multi-family units under construction. This is only apartments and condos. Does not include the many townhome projects under construction in the city or multi-family units U/C in southside neighborhoods(since the list I used in the Atlanta forum does not include those parts of Atlanta). |
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Floors - name 20 - Espace Montmorency residential tower 20 - Gest sur Gouin 16 - Espace Montmorency office tower 16 - Quartier Urbain Le James 16 - Apero Teasdale 15 - Central Parc Laval phase 3 15 - Marquise Rubis 1 15 - Marquise Rubis 2 15 - Soléa condo 13 - Market condo 12 - Urbania Haus REPENTIGNY = 2 UC 30 - Sélection 30 - Manoir Repentigny BROSSARD = 12 UC (and not 15 like previously stated - 3 from my list were actually done) 28 - Nobel condominium 23 - Magellan condos 1 18 - Oria 1 15 - Magellan condos 2 15 - Alter Ego sur le fleuve 1 15 - Alter Ego sur le fleuve 2 14 - Brossard complex 1 13 - Éolia appartements 13 - 2000, rue de l'Éclipse 13 - Oria 2 12 - Mellem 12 - Brossard complex 2 Montreal = 51 Montreal suburbs = 25 |
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For the people I have in mind, it's more an idea that they're building a better America, or a better American city. Outside the US. All of the good stuff about the US, minus all of the bad stuff. |
very few Torontonians would rather that their city was in the United States. Instead of being the supreme city of a major country, it would likely have been a also-ran great lakes city of a Buffalo or Rochester -level significance.
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Toronto gave the world the proto-Trump and proto-Trumpism in former Rob Ford and Ford Nation. It's basically a US city.
Btw, it's funny how it's only one guy in this thread who is getting all upset and attacking and insulting anyone who doesn't agree with him or dares to point out his mistakes. There's only one "snowflake" in here as far as I can tell. There's only one sore loser who can't accept when he's wrong, very much like Trump. |
Laval's zoning map.
https://ehq-production-canada.imgix....?auto=compress https://www.repensonslaval.ca/schema/photos/5395 You won't see any towers in low density residential neighborhoods. |
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There is a longstanding thread of thought concerning Toronto's identity and 'US Americanism.' Regardless of this, Torontonians do not consider themselves, nor wish to be Americans. At best, they like the idea that they somehow possess the American (really the New York) spirit . Two. No Canadians refer to themselves in any way as "Americans." At best, they will use "North American" in a technical/geographic sense. wwmiv's post regarding this is pure fiction. |
If you're referring to his post on Page 5, it doesn't suggest otherwise. Just that "America" has a bunch of meanings, some of which he outlines.
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I think it would be most correct to refer to people of the US as "United States Americans" or "US Americans". Actual "American" is more analogous to "Asian" or "European", e.g. "Native American". And yes, people in Canada, including Toronto, do often refer to indigenous people as "Native Americans".
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Referring to Indigenous people in Canada as "Native Americans" actually makes no sense. |
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https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/i-5/ |
Ok, Torontonians don't want to be part of the US - this isn't a thing. But, in my opinion, they do want recognition through US media, movies, sports, etc.
Rob Ford was a pretty terrible mayor... way in over his head, clearly plagued by mental health issues, addiction, etc. But you can't tell me we didn't get a kick out of hearing "Toronto" being constantly mentioned by Kimmel and others. This is a pretty fucking awesome city, easily top 5-10 in NA and until only a few years ago, was barely mentioned at all. Even London loves being stroked by the US media machine. Anyway, tired ridiculous argument and a lot of pretty dumb comments above. |
"please, please, please acknowledge and love us for how awesome and wonderful we are!
But don't you ever fucking dare think that we're somehow part of your awful and wicked society!" :D |
Haha, you got it!
(Ah no, I think it's more that we just don't want to sit at the kids table anymore). |
^ speaking as an American, from our perspective, Canada will always be the kids table, for better or worse.
You don't become the most navel-gazing society in the history of our species by recognizing things beyond your borders. |
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Even so, the Cancun Americans engage with in 99% is basically just a transposition of US culture onto Mexican soil. Similarly, Paris is quite popular with Americans as well (for different reasons) but an American's Paris isn't the same as a French person's Paris. The real Paris isn't French Kiss, Midnight in Paris or Emily in Paris, or even Gershwin's "An American in Paris". I am not saying this to bash on Americans exclusively BTW, as all nationalities do this to some degree. (You don't want to hear me on Québécois in Cuba or the Dominican Republic.) But the level of visitor immersion in local culture does vary, and Americans tend to be on the "low immersion" side. |
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cancun is just a florida beach resort with better tacos. |
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Culturally, they think of themselves as new world (largely immigrant populations account for much of South America's populace in the same was as they do in North America). It's actually very insulting to tell someone in Argentina, Chile, or Brazil that you're "American". If you do so, they'll very often say something like, "yo tambien". i.e. "Me too". So through that lense, you could make the argument calling someone "Native American" is to merely differentiate between indigenous people and immigrants, generically, across the continent. |
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My issue isn't so much with the use of the word "American", but rather the term "Native American" which is a US-invented term to describe Indigenous people in that country. Like most terms invented to describe these people, it's an awkward kludge at best. The Canadian-invented terms or terms used in other languages like Spanish, French or Portuguese aren't necessarily any less awkward, but at least they are rooted in the reality and history of their countries. When I hear a Canadian say that such and such a person is "Native American" from the Tsawwassen reserve in BC or the Saugeen reserve in Ontario, my first thought is always that the speaker has been watching too much American TV. |
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New York City -- +1.20% Los Angeles -- +2.19% Chicago -- −0.58% Dallas -- +20.85% Houston -- +20.84% Washington -- +11.95% Miami -- +10.93% Philadelphia -- +2.39% Atlanta -- +15.15% Phoenix -- +20.68% Boston -- +7.16% San Francisco -- +8.34% Riverside -- +10.73% Detroit -- +0.18% Seattle -- +16.83% Red = Under 2% growth Magenta = 2% - 9.99% growth Blue = 10% - 19.99% Green = 20%+ The high growth metros are "building the most". |
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"native american" really is a stupid term for people of the new world who trace their ancestry back to pre-colonial times. native means "associated with the place or circumstances of a person's birth", so that's pretty much anyone who was born here, ie. not an overseas immigrant. "aboriginal american" would've been a million times better from a strictly definitional perspective. |
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It was shelved and the current term is Indigenous. Native was also used to some degree in Canada but obviously never as "Native American". At least not by anyone even semi-official. I've always shared the same view of you when it comes to the word "Native". It doesn't really make sense. Interestingly, Portuguese and Spanish have the term "Amerindio" which combines the notion of the Americas with the historical error that led people to think these people were "Indians" because they thought they'd arrived in India. French also has the similar term "Amérindien" though it's definitely fallen out of favour here. "Amerindian" AFAIK has never really caught on with English speakers. |
I see little issue with the terms "Native American" or "Alaska Native" as they are proper nouns (capitalized) and most people aren't confused about who they reference. if someone wrote native American, that's a little more ambiguous. Were they born in the US or are they a Native?
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I know a great way of ending this discussion!
Just assign them a letter(s) or an emoji so we don't offend them. A feather, igloo, teepee would probably work. We have POCs, LGBTQIA+, AAPIs, AAs, WASPs, LatinX, why wouldn't it work with Indians, Native Americans, Indigenous People? I can see it now, "NAs" or "IPs". |
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https://www.google.com/maps/@38.8881...7i16384!8i8192 It was designed by the same architect who did Canada's national history museum, which is located in my city. Note the resemblance. https://www.google.com/maps/@45.4298...7i16384!8i8192 |
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I believe we've seen the use of the word "Indigenous" really take off over the past few years because: (a) "Aboriginal" was largely used synonymously with "First Nations", thereby excluding the Inuit and Métis, and (b) the word "Indigenous" has become more clearly articulated at the international level, including in the UNDRIP. |
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I guess that the original point I was making is that if it's thrown in with cities with similar MSAs like Buffalo, Grand Rapids, etc. then I think it is over-performing when it comes to building towers right now. Compared to similar CSAs, maybe not. I don't think we are having the same kind of tower boom as Nashville and Austin, but we are probably building as many residential units around the CSA as those places. There is still an ocean of underdeveloped lots around downtown that are currently being swiped up for huge low/mid-rise developments so I'd expect taller projects to start to emerge once those are all gone. In terms of SFH, I'd guess the SLC CSA is adding as much as any urban area in the country, for better or for worse. Here's a cool image that user Blah_Amazing made a few weeks ago that shows all of SLC's active tower projects, for anyone interested: |
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Of the 320+ construction cranes in Toronto plus burbs, this one added today is particularly welcome (SkyTower @ 312.5m, 95s). https://urbantoronto.ca/forum/attach...42-jpg.331164/ wmedia |
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