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harryc Jun 24, 2019 10:53 PM

June 14

Chicago | NEMA by Harry Carmichael, on Flickr

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Chicago | NEMA by Harry Carmichael, on Flickr

Chicago | NEMA by Harry Carmichael, on Flickr

BonoboZill4 Jun 26, 2019 1:15 AM

An instant classic for the South Loop... arguably the three best towers in the South Loop were built this cycle in fact! Very exciting times indeed

UPChicago Jun 26, 2019 2:24 PM

We deserve for the twin to be built ASAP lol

Skyy Jun 26, 2019 4:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by UPChicago (Post 8616498)
We deserve for the twin to be built ASAP lol

Imagine that same view but with the slightly taller twin :slob:

http://thumbor.forbes.com/thumbor/96...-1200x1545.jpg
Source: https://www.forbes.com/sites/keithfl.../#23cc49a87ed6

dan ryan Jun 26, 2019 7:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skyy (Post 8616616)
Imagine that same view but with the slightly taller twin :slob:

http://thumbor.forbes.com/thumbor/96...-1200x1545.jpg
Source: https://www.forbes.com/sites/keithfl.../#23cc49a87ed6

that actually looks really bad

gebs Jun 26, 2019 8:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dan ryan (Post 8616895)
that actually looks really bad

https://i2.wp.com/howsmyenglish.eu/w...00%2C300&ssl=1

bhawk66 Jun 26, 2019 8:33 PM

Agreed, Dan Ryan. Please no twin. Gross.

pilsenarch Jun 26, 2019 9:37 PM

So, I've thought about this for awhile, and the only thing I can think of that might have caused them to install the 'sails' is the fact that the skip goes up to that level and all worker traffic working on all the top mechanical levels exits adjacent to those sails... they must be for wind protection... don't want anyone blowing over the side... I'm sure they will be taken down after the skip come down...

Mr Downtown Jun 27, 2019 1:21 PM

Yeah, I was studying them yesterday and feel they must have something to do with protecting workers on the roof level, or stuff they might be installing there, or with the top mounting for the hoist.

the urban politician Jun 27, 2019 2:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bhawk66 (Post 8616961)
Agreed, Dan Ryan. Please no twin. Gross.

I certainly wouldn't want a twin here, but I wouldn't mind something that uses the same design language--ie, of the same style, but obviously different and taller, and maybe with a different color/shade variety

BonoboZill4 Jun 29, 2019 8:46 PM

https://i.imgur.com/nlTUYLU.jpg?1

bhawk66 Jun 29, 2019 11:12 PM

Not done yet, but I gotta say, those very top floors (mechanical/what not) are not reading well, imo. The continuity isn't there from the res. floors and it looks flat and bland. Not enough detail (oomph) seemingly, for the crown of an otherwise kick-ass building.

again, not done yet.

BorisMolotov Jun 29, 2019 11:43 PM

I think once that bright white gets painted along all of the "borders" to frame in all the glass it will look a lot sharper and cohesive.

bhawk66 Jun 29, 2019 11:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BorisMolotov (Post 8619957)
I think once that bright white gets painted along all of the "borders" to frame in all the glass it will look a lot sharper and cohesive.

I hope so. I took that into consideration. I'm mainly talking of the glass work and separations between levels. The depth has disappeared, which I get because there is a flat wall behind them.

Hope the painted columns makes it a mute point.

I am anxious to see how they will light this thing.

donnie Jun 30, 2019 8:55 AM

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Originally Posted by BonoboZill4 (Post 8619850)

just stating the obvious but looks like they finally removed the tarp.

:runaway:

The Lurker Jun 30, 2019 9:13 AM

^confirmed

https://flic.kr/p/2gkCKkA

https://flic.kr/p/2gkCzcc

https://flic.kr/p/2gnzz1Q

https://flic.kr/p/2gnzyUC

https://flic.kr/p/2gnzyQ9

Flaccer05 Jun 30, 2019 1:20 PM

June 28

https://i.imgur.com/3uFLBaih.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/n64E9Tuh.jpg?1

BonoboZill4 Jun 30, 2019 3:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bhawk66 (Post 8619963)
I hope so. I took that into consideration. I'm mainly talking of the glass work and separations between levels. The depth has disappeared, which I get because there is a flat wall behind them.

Hope the painted columns makes it a mute point.

I am anxious to see how they will light this thing.

I think you mean "moot" ;)

I too am wondering how it'll light up though... we've had a lot of great ones, and I think this one won't do anything. Probably makes sense for the design though

LouisVanDerWright Jun 30, 2019 3:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Flaccer05 (Post 8620242)

This one makes me think they should raze Dearborn Park and make it an actual park which will be like a mini central park when the 78 is filled in.

bnk Jun 30, 2019 10:42 PM

I hope so I hate the suburban gated subdivision that is Dearborn Park

Perhaps after the value of the space in 30 years could do that.


But this is right now a sun non barrier. Giving great views for the buildings to the east and the eventual buildings to the west that will go up.

My main issue is the road network around there. There needs to have the roads with go throughs even if it takes some townhomes down to fix the mess and recreate the Chicago Grid.

HomrQT Jun 30, 2019 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Flaccer05 (Post 8620242)

Wicked good angle here. :slob::slob::slob:

BonoboZill4 Jul 1, 2019 3:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bnk (Post 8620483)
I hope so I hate the suburban gated subdivision that is Dearborn Park

Perhaps after the value of the space in 30 years could do that.


But this is right now a sun non barrier. Giving great views for the buildings to the east and the eventual buildings to the west that will go up.

My main issue is the road network around there. There needs to have the roads with go throughs even if it takes some townhomes down to fix the mess and recreate the Chicago Grid.

Yep, the South Loop will be a nightmare traffic wise in the very near future if they don't figure that out.

Skyguy_7 Jul 1, 2019 2:05 PM

^^ Dearborn Park is an annoyance to us pro-grid outsiders, but it must be pretty great to live in that suburban oasis. Little crime, no bums. Relative peace and tranquility. And a bustling city just outside the gates.

gebs Jul 1, 2019 2:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skyguy_7 (Post 8620790)
^^ Dearborn Park is an annoyance to us pro-grid outsiders, but it must be pretty great to live in that suburban oasis. Little crime, no bums. Relative peace and tranquility. And a bustling city just outside the gates.

Amen to that. I completely understand and agree with everyone's comments about how DP kills connectivity ... but it's a great place to live because it's tough to find a quiet place so close to the downtown core.

I just hope they never tear down actual Dearborn Park. Trees are important.

Kenmore Jul 1, 2019 3:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skyguy_7 (Post 8620790)
^^ Dearborn Park is an annoyance to us pro-grid outsiders, but it must be pretty great to live in that suburban oasis. Little crime, no bums. Relative peace and tranquility. And a bustling city just outside the gates.


lol, hard pass

r18tdi Jul 1, 2019 7:18 PM

OT, but I once rode a divvy down one of the streets in Dearborn park and some woman with little kids said to me "Excuse me, excuse me! what are you doing here? There aren't any stations in this neighborhood!" lol

donnie Jul 1, 2019 8:27 PM

sweet shots Bone

AMWChicago Jul 2, 2019 1:07 AM

https://www.chicagobusiness.com/comm...0-million-loan

Is this confirmation that they are preliminarily attempting to finance NEMA II next door? I know this is related to the one up now, but the fact that they are refinancing and not straight up selling feels like the move to make as you progress to the next stage of construction. I'm probably out of my depth here. And maybe trying to come up with I want to hear, but is this a good sign for an upcoming Stage Two???

BonoboZill4 Jul 2, 2019 2:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AMWChicago (Post 8621283)
https://www.chicagobusiness.com/comm...0-million-loan

Is this confirmation that they are preliminarily attempting to finance NEMA II next door? I know this is related to the one up now, but the fact that they are refinancing and not straight up selling feels like the move to make as you progress to the next stage of construction. I'm probably out of my depth here. And maybe trying to come up with I want to hear, but is this a good sign for an upcoming Stage Two???

35% already leased is a damn good sign if you ask me. By the end of the summer they could be half way filled

Skyy Jul 2, 2019 9:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flaccer05 (Post 8620242)


Can you imagine what this would look like with the 78? Would feel like an urban canyon :worship:

Ned.B Jul 2, 2019 9:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skyy (Post 8621493)
Can you imagine what this would look like with the 78? Would feel like an urban canyon :worship:

It could be our own Central Park!...except with a pseudo gated community instead of public green space.

dan ryan Jul 2, 2019 9:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ned.B (Post 8622117)
It could be our own Central Park!...except with a pseudo gated community instead of public green space.

Yeah something has to be done about Dearborn Park. You all think it will ever be something better?

Would be nice if it was just park space. Or if all of the homes became affordable housing with some good public space in there for everyone.

BonoboZill4 Jul 3, 2019 1:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dan ryan (Post 8622137)
Yeah something has to be done about Dearborn Park. You all think it will ever be something better?

Would be nice if it was just park space. Or if all of the homes became affordable housing with some good public space in there for everyone.

I wouldn't expect anything for at least another 50-100 years. Too many large single family homes for it to be removed. Perhaps Dearborn Park one's communist style housing might be removed before then, but DPII is not going anywhere in my lifetime for certain.

BonoboZill4 Jul 3, 2019 11:24 PM

https://i.imgur.com/onSoF0e.jpg?1

https://i.imgur.com/5BAN4Uc.jpg?1

gebs Jul 5, 2019 1:25 PM

I love how Vista lines up in this shot with NEMA's last setback. Great framing!

harryc Jul 6, 2019 11:42 AM

June 28

Chicago | Essex on the park by Harry Carmichael, on Flickr

BonoboZill4 Jul 9, 2019 3:38 AM

https://i.imgur.com/7P5RpzQ.jpg?1

Distant cousins?

https://i.imgur.com/jmYS3ZY.jpg?1

https://i.imgur.com/XZ4WnVy.jpg?1

https://i.imgur.com/wAymLbl.jpg?1

https://i.imgur.com/CcT7zrV.jpg?1

ardecila Jul 9, 2019 6:08 PM

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Originally Posted by BonoboZill4 (Post 8622324)
I wouldn't expect anything for at least another 50-100 years. Too many large single family homes for it to be removed. Perhaps Dearborn Park one's communist style housing might be removed before then, but DPII is not going anywhere in my lifetime for certain.

Communist? There's nothing communist about any of those buildings. They have bay windows and wedding-cake setbacks, for crying out loud... and the one I've actually been in (801 S Plymouth) has a beautiful lobby with brick and woodwork.

The site plans leave a lot to be desired, though, and the inward orientation/blank walls along Clark, Polk, State, etc aren't doing them any favors.

BonoboZill4 Jul 9, 2019 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by ardecila (Post 8627821)
Communist? There's nothing communist about any of those buildings. They have bay windows and wedding-cake setbacks, for crying out loud... and the one I've actually been in (801 S Plymouth) has a beautiful lobby with brick and woodwork.

The site plans leave a lot to be desired, though, and the inward orientation/blank walls along Clark, Polk, State, etc aren't doing them any favors.

I believe you may be confused what part of Dearborn Park I'm referring to:

https://www.google.com/maps/@41.8699...7i16384!8i8192

Do you not agree this gives slight bloc housing vibes (albeit in low-rise format). They are ugly and cheaply built and not densely packed. Hopefully that makes them prime candidates for redevelopment in the coming decades.

Sorry for such an off topic comment...

SolarWind Jul 10, 2019 1:50 AM

June 25, 2019


SIGSEGV Jul 10, 2019 4:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BonoboZill4 (Post 8628196)
I believe you may be confused what part of Dearborn Park I'm referring to:

https://www.google.com/maps/@41.8699...7i16384!8i8192

Do you not agree this gives slight bloc housing vibes (albeit in low-rise format). They are ugly and cheaply built and not densely packed. Hopefully that makes them prime candidates for redevelopment in the coming decades.

Sorry for such an off topic comment...

Yeah the stuff east of Plymouth is basically fine (although a street or two needs to be shoehorned in and something should be done about the dead streetwall on State). The stuff west of Plymouth is awful.

Steely Dan Jul 10, 2019 4:54 AM

^^ fantastic shot, solarwind.

I know the stats say that Nema is only ~170' taller than OMP, but the difference looks larger in real life, for whatever reason.

It's probably the tapering setback massing of Nema that make it soar higher than it is, visually.

aaron38 Jul 10, 2019 1:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BonoboZill4 (Post 8623172)

Is that Armour Square Park? Is that shot from inside the ballpark? It's a great angle.

Chi-Sky21 Jul 10, 2019 3:14 PM

The ramps at Comiskey...sorry....the G spot....(Guaranteed Rate Field) have one of my favorite views of the skyline.

The Lurker Jul 10, 2019 3:17 PM

^I love this viewpoint. If you showed me this picture 12 years ago I would have asked, What the hell is every building to the right of AON?

bhawk66 Jul 10, 2019 5:01 PM

^^^ Yes! It's almost weird to wrap my mind around it. So awesome.

Meanwhile, our black beauty friggin holds fort like a champ the whole time.

*I love the trees in Chicago. More please.

ardecila Jul 10, 2019 10:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BonoboZill4 (Post 8628196)
I believe you may be confused what part of Dearborn Park I'm referring to:

https://www.google.com/maps/@41.8699...7i16384!8i8192

Do you not agree this gives slight bloc housing vibes (albeit in low-rise format). They are ugly and cheaply built and not densely packed. Hopefully that makes them prime candidates for redevelopment in the coming decades.

Sorry for such an off topic comment...

Not really, rowhouse/terrace houses were never common in communist places like China or the Eastern Bloc. By their nature they include private yards, which is too bourgeois for the communists to stomach, and frankly too inefficient for state-run housing. The architecture is boxy, but that in itself isn't a communist thing.

If anything, Dearborn Park reminds me of English or at least Anglosphere urban renewal projects, like this council housing or just regular terrace houses around London. Or, closer to home, places like Lafayette Park in Detroit or IM Pei's townhouses in Hyde Park - those are just better quality examples of the same ideas.

jc5680 Jul 14, 2019 4:53 PM


BonoboZill4 Jul 14, 2019 4:57 PM

Blurry photo from Friday:

https://i.imgur.com/a5qqlJa.jpg?1

KWillChicago Jul 14, 2019 8:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jc5680 (Post 8632056)

When all the painting of the north side is complete this thing is going to stand out in the best way.


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