Im kinda sad to see that quiznos go. It delivered to my house.

Downtown is still luring more restaurants than there are closing. A Quizno's does not a great city make. Nor should we worry about Via Roma in the San Carlos. I have eaten in at least 5 different restaurants in that building that were really odd, poor choices. And, if a restaurant goes under in 2 months, then their business plan wasn't very thought out. Besides that, the ownership of the San Carlos really just phone it in when it comes to promoting that place. There is so much deferred maintenance on it, it's not even funny.

Maybe not...but to me, chains do say that the particular downtown is worth investing in. When I saw Buca di Beppo in downtown San Diego, I was pretty impressed even though the restaurant isn't all that. That's why I think it's pretty sad that there isn't even a McDonalds in downtown Phoenix...I mean c'mon, really, a McDonalds...they are on like every corner everywhere else.

Maybe we SSP folks should pool our resources and invest in a McDonald's franchise for downtown. It would do really well considering the number of ASU students there now. :yes:

Quiznos and other chains I'll agree with you, McDonald's no. I have seen urban McDonald's and some other fast food chains in NYC or other major major world cities, but it's extremly rare to see one in the western US without a drivethrough attached. We don't want drive throughs in downtown and from my observations an urban style McDonald's or Burger King without the drive through will be one of the last things to move into downtown. There are McDonald's around downtown where they can build the drive through, just not right in downtown where we don't want that.

Just walk down Mill AVE, it's great and feels nice and urban, then you walk by that Jack in the Box just north of University and it completely kills the urban feel.

As I just said, a McDonald's no, but you do bring up a good point. We spend a lot of time discussing stuff on here and occaisionally go to city meetings and whatnot and let the "real" leaders know what we're thinking, but for the most part this board is a whole lot of discussion. From my observations this board is filled with highly intelligent people (even those of you that I tend to disagree with) who spend a lot of time and effort thinking about things and coming up with great ideas. This board really would be a very powerful tool if someone on here (I'm compaining but I'm not going to be the one motivated enough to start anything :D ) were to use it for networking to get a business or political campaign going. Are there any politicians on this board? Perhaps there should be.

I'll agree that the Jack in the Box does sort of kill the urban feel. But, what really kills it, is that empty dirt lot right next door to it, that has sat empty for years.

As for McDonalds, I think an urban version without the drive through would work just fine in DT Phoenix. Just locate it close to the ASU campus and the convention center.

Well Quiznos may be closed but Breakfast Joynt is now open ... and they deliver breakfast. Suck on that!

http://thebreakfastjoynt.vpweb.com/default.html

Good news, however, they must have used the Engrish Skool of Proofreadink for this one. Read the whole thing, it's hilarious. My favorite line: "Our chef is renowned for his creative flair for the simple." :haha:

Someone's smarter than a fifth grader. :)

Though my fifth graders would proofread better!!!!

We DO have an urban Burger King on 1st St. No drive thru there and seems to do good business.

Cool. Shows how well I pay attention :D Then in that case I definitely don't think it's a problem that there aren't any McDonald's in downtown. Who goes to McDonald's when there's a Burger King available? :whip:

the most urban drive through in town is the JITB on the SWC of 44th and Camelback... The drive through is basically in a parking garage.

Yeah, I never noticed it either. But here it is:

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&sour...2,98.64,,1,0.6

This is my favorite urban McDonalds drive-through (in LA on Sunset): The entrance is the crack between the McDonalds and the El Pollo on the right. The exit is the hole in the building behind the silver pickup. Big cars would occasionally get stuck inside.

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&sour...92.49,,2,-1.25

There's a Mickey D's downtown, kind of.
http://img121.imageshack.us/img121/2362/mickeyds.jpg

But yeah, I wouldn't want to walk there from Central either. Not for a McDonald's.

Check this thing out...pretty nice looking...

Impressive. Nice find HX. Is this a picture of just the cancer center or of all 3 projects combined?

That looks very sharp. Its nice to see it won't be presenting a hard solid wall to Fillmore either. With the grassy area out front it may make an nice transition from the Biomed campus to the arts district to the North.

Wow! Nice looking, modern building. Landscaping looks good too. Appears to be palms, turf, and palo verdes (or breas).

What an improvement that'll be from the current situation of a temporary third world looking parking lot.