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Los Angeles Past Apr 25, 2011 11:22 AM


Originally Posted by gsjansen (Post 5254252)

court circle in 1876 image looking west on temple from figueroa. court circle has been laid out, and is visible on the left
Source: LAPL

Wow! I'm very familiar with this photo, but I had no idea whatsoever that that rough tracing in the land at left was to become Court Circle. That would make it one of the oldest residential streets in Los Angeles, wouldn't it? My goodness, I'm speechless. Thank you so much, gsj!


gsjansen Apr 25, 2011 12:26 PM


Originally Posted by gsjansen (Post 5245931)
all righty then! i just received the outsider dvd's, and quickly popped the disc containing the episode through the looking glass into the ol'!

Richard Schave has found the bunker hill scene from the outsiders on line.

you can view the whole bunker hill scene here

(as an added plus, the vintage 1969 ford maverick commercial is included)


gsjansen Apr 25, 2011 2:14 PM

a great image from 1951 of the general petroleum building under construction at 7th and flower. nice backside views of the southland and richfield
Source: USC Digital Archive

Los Angeles Past Apr 25, 2011 9:44 PM

The Baker Block - Then & Now
Great photo of one of my favorite buildings in vanished Los Angeles: the Baker Block (1877-1942).

sopas ej Apr 26, 2011 2:12 AM

WOW, such great photos of the 2nd Street tunnel and Court Circle! Very amazing.


Originally Posted by malumot (Post 5254173)
You asked! LOL

Mush — sometimes called coosh — is a thick cornmeal pudding (or porridge) usually boiled in water or milk. It is often then fried after being cut up into flat squares or rectangles. Usage is especially common in the eastern and southeastern United States. It is also customary for those in the Midwestern US to eat it with maple syrup.

Another example, I suppose, of just how Midwestern LA was 90 years ago.

I've always wondered what mush was. I remember they'd make references to it on The Little Rascals. To me, it always looked like Cream of Wheat, or grits. So it's cornmeal? Is it similar to polenta, then?

sopas ej Apr 26, 2011 2:33 AM


Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 5253976)
I think it's great that the brown stone staircase at the extreme right has survived after all these years.
But I have to mourn the loss of the neo-classical beauty of the original library. It seemed so perfectly situated on that small parcel of land.

Thanks for the pics sopas_ej!

I agree, it's too bad the original library doesn't exist.

It was actually replaced in the 1950s (?) by this structure:

The current library dates from 2003; as you can see it was designed as an homage to the Craftsman architecture of the area with the use of river rock, exposed rafters, low-sloped roof, etc:
Google Street View

I've been here a number of times, it's not far from where I live. It's actually a nice little library inside, but of course it's nothing like the original little neoclassical-style library that used to exist here.

ethereal_reality Apr 26, 2011 3:35 AM


Originally Posted by malumot (Post 5254183)
A few pages back there were some great photos of houses being moved....and even an entire apartment building, in three sections, if I recall.

And a couple months ago a spectacular series about one of the early LA schools being moved. The mover ran out of money, and there the school sat, high on its stilts for a while before finally reaching its destination.


What ever happened to house moving? You NEVER hear of anything like this anymore. Least not around these parts. :)

I can only assume it must be a cost issue, considering any tractors and other vehicles one would need to do the moving are 10 times better than they were in, say, 1920. Plus a lot of utilities are underground.

I agree with you malumot. Why is the relocation of vintage buildings so rare, especially with today's modern technology?

Here are two of the photos I posted earlier in which you referenced.

below: The transportation of an apartment complex cut into three distinct pieces.

sorry the pics are missing. [may 28, 2017]


gsjansen Apr 26, 2011 2:52 PM

a very noirish image looking west across the civic center 1963
Source: USC Digital Archive

ethereal_reality Apr 26, 2011 3:42 PM

A similar view facing the opposite direction, circa 1967.
usc arcives

gsjansen Apr 26, 2011 3:44 PM

two aerials one looking east from 1939, the other looking west from 1953.

in the 1939 aerial you can clearly see the old los angeles school building with the vacant area to the north and west of it, where it was proposed to relocate the school so it wouldn't be lost to the freeway construction.

in the 1953 building, the freeway is in place, and the school building is now gone forever. oh and that vacant space to the north and west of where the school once was?.......why a parking lot of course..........................
Source: USC Digital Archive
Source: USC Digital Archive

you can see what was probably the last remaining days of court circle

in this 1958 photo you can see that the west side of court circle (lower left of the photo), was actually spared from being obliterated by the hollywood freeway.....interesting
Source: USC Digital Archive

Los Angeles Past Apr 26, 2011 6:37 PM


Originally Posted by gsjansen (Post 5255828)
in this 1958 photo you can see that the west side of court circle (lower left of the photo), was actually spared from being obliterated by the hollywood freeway.....interesting
Source: USC Digital Archive

Neat! Last night, I was archiving some recent pages in this thread and I noticed the spared portion of Court Circle in one of the photos, but this one shows it better. :D

Any more old Baist map pages a'comin', by any chance? :rolleyes:


GaylordWilshire Apr 26, 2011 10:38 PM


Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 5254025)
No information or date given....but it certainly looks like a grand opening of one of the tunnels.
It's the first time that I've noticed a clock embedded in the archway.

I go away for a few days and all hell breaks loose--but in a good way, of course. As for the pic above, I do like the Carnation Mush sign...but even more interesting in this shot is the "Julian Pete" sign advertising its "Definace" gasoline. Courtney Chauncey "C.C." Julian struck oil in the early '20s, and then must have decided that that was too easy--he began over-selling shares in his oil company. In a few years he'd swindled some big L.A. names as well as small, made enemies, and was finally brought down in one of the great scandals of '20s Los Angeles. I read a good book a while back about it called The Great Los Angeles Swindle--here's a review and a good synopsis of the Julian misadventure and its all-star cast:
C.C. Julian: Even his end was dramatic--suicide by poisoning in Shanghai
in 1934

LinLorienelen: Re your post ( about the corner of Orange and Lucas--great investigative work, great pictures. And thanks for your offer to be our investigative street archaeologist!

A colorful view of Court Circle:

sopas ej Apr 27, 2011 12:30 AM

I looked up Court Circle in my 1943 Renie Atlas. I just had to see where it was in relation to what's there now.

It was located north of Mignonette, east of Beaudry, and of course it's now completely gone, not even half of the circle is there anymore:
Google Maps

GaylordWilshire Apr 27, 2011 12:41 AM


Here's an overlay of the circle on modern L.A.:

A fuller view:

ethereal_reality Apr 27, 2011 2:01 AM

Thank you GaylordWilshire and sopas_ej! The overlay helps a lot.

I have to ask......why did 'Court Circle' even exist?
Was it simply a speculative real estate venture?


Los Angeles Past Apr 27, 2011 2:52 AM


Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 5256577)
I have to ask......why did 'Court Circle' even exist?
Was it simply a speculative real estate venture?

:) That's what's always intrigued me about it. Circles like that are usually reserved for city centers, areas of high traffic, and ritzy neighborhoods, and Court Circle appeared to be none of those. And now knowing that it was originally laid out in the mid-1870s even deepens the mystery for me. I can only speculate, but perhaps it was a ploy by the original land owners to get the county court house to be built at that location. Or perhaps to create a new upscale neighborhood there on the "outskirts" of town. On the basis of that photo of that one house on Court Circle that gsjansen posted, though, upscale that neighborhood definitely wasn't.

BTW, wasn't that very near a big early oilfield? I seem to recall a nearby hillside there being thickly populated by oil derricks around the turn of the last century...


ardecila Apr 27, 2011 5:30 AM


Originally Posted by sopas ej (Post 5255339)
It was actually replaced in the 1950s (?) by this structure:

Give me the modernist one any day.... best out of the three.

Floyd B. Bariscale Apr 27, 2011 5:37 AM

Looking at this 1910 Baist Real Estate Survey, there's a tunnel extension on Broadway starting around Fort Moore Place and running to Bellvue. Did this exist? Does anyone have more information on it? Thanks a ton, L.A. scholars.

Los Angeles Past Apr 27, 2011 7:24 AM

Re: the Broadway Tunnel, this post from earlier in this thread is a good start:

For more images/info, copy/paste this string in Google: noirish "broadway tunnel"

Nice to have you with us, good sir! It's an honor, if I may say so. :worship:


gsjansen Apr 27, 2011 10:27 AM

in this 1949 overlay map showing the route of the freeway system through downtown, the broadway tunnel still exists, (barely.....but it is there), you can see the full length of the tunnel.
Source: LAPL

(and why they couldn't spend the crummy $49,000.00 to move the old school building a measly 100 feet or so, is still something i can't understand.........grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr)

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