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Very interesting odinthor. Thanks for 'placing' the warehouse in situ.


https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...924/V6sXhd.jpg
detail

Someday in the future we might be able to zoom in on the men's corneas and see branches of the Aliso Tree. (how cool would that be!)





Here is an amazing photograph, which I believe is new to NLA, showing the Aliso Tree next to the old Philadelphia Brewery....

"This early Los Angeles brewery, known from 1874 to 1882 as the Philadelphia Brewery, was sited on a Tongva Indiana Village. (Yang-Na)

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/xq90/922/VUy7VX.jpg
militant_angeleno


Old Sycamore - Philadelphia Brewery - later, Maier & Zobelein Brewery.

. .and look, someone rode their bicycle to work.



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I wrote to MT last night and asked him what prompted him to post that photo with the rooftop mystery on his twitter recently, as I believe he knows we've been looking for an answer to that for many years. He said that one of his followers had recently sent it to him wondering what it was, so he thought he'd post it on Twitter and, as we know, he got a reply!

MT wrote and thanked that person, SF Historian, and wondered how he came upon the answer and here is some of his reply:

SF Historian: [...] I am a professional historian by trade, but my focus for two decades was San Francisco. However, some of your tweets showed up in my feed one day, and I realized that Los Angeles was just as rich, historically, and so wanted to learn more. I LOVE when people have research questions, and this was a very fun ... well, how do I put this? It's like being on an Easter egg hunt, but as an adult. What's funny is that the LA Noirish website was actually the key. They posted this photo (see attached), and once I had the owner name, I could search the newspaper archives. That led me to the sale when he purchased the property, which led me to the original owner, which led me to the answer! [...]

PS: I am sure the strange angle of the projection box was what the advertising agency figured would be the least likely to result in glare, and thus make the movie images more visible.

The one post he was specifically referring to on NLA is this one, posted by Noir_Noir in August, 2018:


So that info in the corner of the photo was the key, I guess! And likely another post by Lorendoc with much info, that Noir_Noir quoted in his post:
https://skyscraperpage.com/forum/sho...94#post8287994

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Before the brewery.


I know we have visited El Aliso Tree numerous times in the past but here's an image that we might not have seen that predates the Philadelphia Brewery by four years.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/9mSiLn.jpg
musician's loft

The date is at the bottom, 1870. (I missed it at first because it's partially cropped off)

There appears to be one story buildings in the distance (there's a flue with a short column of smoke at far left)

I'm afraid the disorienting debris in the foreground is beyond figuring out. :( (at first I thought the rounded item was the remnant of an old water wheel)






The photograph is labeled 'Vignes Winery' on the musician's site

Like this.
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...924/wZGdIB.jpg

. . .so the Philadelphia Brewery bought the land that was once the Vignes Winery.

Is that correct? :shrug:

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UPDATE: I just found the answer.

"In 1837 Frenchman Jean-Louis Vignes opened a winery under the sycamore, building some one-story frame buildings to house his business
(and giving his name to Vignes Street). The El Aliso Winery, named for the tree, became the center of LA's Frenchtown, and shipped 150,000 bottles of wine per year.

Despite their success, the Vignes family sold out to German immigrants in 1874 who opened the Philadelphia Brewing Company on the site."

Noirishers, we have no doubt covered this earlier in the thread. Sorry for the repetition.
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e_r, the rough outlines of the property's ownership, at least in the Yankee era, according to my notes, seem to be:

Jean Louis Vignes, who came to LA in 1829? 1831? (veracious sources differ), from Bordeaux France, had his big vineyard in that section and indeed his residence was in the proximity of the old Aliso, William Heath Davis (a sea captain of the time) says that he was often known as "Don Luis del Aliso."

In 1855, his nephew Jean-Louis Sainsevain (often seen with an "e" ending his surname) bought the property, but it seems that Vignes, nevertheless stayed on residing there, perhaps ill (he died in L.A. in 1862 "after a long illness").

Sainsevain is not in the L.A. census of 1870, and presumably by that time had moved to Cucamonga, where he also had a vineyard; and perhaps had sold the vineyard/Aliso property by that time; but perhaps the property was owned by him but idle until:

In 1873, “Wattelet & Vogel are the proprietors of the new Philadelphia Brewery” (LA Herald, 11/12/1873). And so in mid-November, 1873, the Philadelphia Brewery was new.

And here is my contribution to images of the old Aliso. I picked up this image, on which are markings indicating preparation for publication seemingly in a newspaper, on eBay. The seller didn't realize its significance.

:cheers:

https://i.postimg.cc/CKKgYSkg/AlisoTree2.jpg
odinthor collection

One of the most spine-tingling events of my life was visiting The Daily Mail Building in London (matched, perhaps by the original BBC Broadcasting House.) Art deco in all it's glory and amazing that it survived The Blitz of 1940-41. If you ever go to London, you have to see both buildings.

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Congratulations everyone on working together & solving the roof-top mystery thingy! It had been an enigma for such a long time I began to doubt we'd ever know the answer.

Oh, and thanks to that feller up in San Francisco. :worship:

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There's no two ways about it, historians are the cat's pajamas.

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mystery negative



"LOS ANGELES 40's 50's FOUND NEGATIVE 3" x 4" Vintage bw Photo DOWNTOWN"

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eBay

It appears to show a line of people people waiting for a streetcar. Oddly, they appear to be standing in a hole because of the mound of earth in the foreground.

Where is this?



I don't have the app to convert a negative to positive. sorry
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There's a guy in St. Louis who travels around the country removing and saving Vitrolite from demolition and reinstalling it on preservation projects. Amazing stuff. https://www.vitrolitespecialist.com/image/129879240.jpg
https://www.vitrolitespecialist.com/

https://i.imgur.com/iwI8o20.jpg

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https://i.postimg.cc/B6113NYc/Blue-D...AT-48-7-30.jpg
LA Times, 7/30/1948

https://i.postimg.cc/nrFZ2hDj/Blue-Diamond-Prices.jpg
From Cost of Living, by George Meany and R.J. Thomas, p. 96, 1944.

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Thanks Noir Noir and odinthor. I appreciate your help :)


I'm intrigued by the overgrown bushes. I'm guessing the photographer is standing in an empty lot. perhaps

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Martin Turnbull is going to ask him if he can find a color photograph of the 25 x 40 ft. Edward Trumbull mural that was in the lobby of the NBC Building on Sunset and Vine.
Something I keep looking into from time to time. The title of it has been referred to in various places as "The Power of Radio" or "The Genie of Radio."

https://westmb.org/images/Spirit%20o...20adjusted.jpg

This is the building which once housed the Blue Diamond Grill. The diamond motif was also used by Ogee's restaurant, seen here in 1956.

https://hosting.photobucket.com/imag...tBroadway1.jpg
Huntington Digital Library

The other side can be spotted in a 1950 LAPL image - it's the one with the Seagram's 7 advert on the side.

I believe the photographer in the original picture was standing in the grounds of the California State Building.

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https://i.postimg.cc/d3fs0Khh/Ca-State-Bldg-Det.jpg
detail from below

https://i.postimg.cc/4yjGgb0t/Ca-Sta...PL00018368.jpg
LAPL No. 00018368

Art in L.A.’s Union Station Has Been Hidden for Decades. Now It Prepares for an Oscar Debut
https://www.latimes.com/entertainmen...ng-renovations

The now-gleaming train station will get its close-up this Sunday when the 93rd Academy Awards ceremony is broadcast live from throughout its historic halls.
On April 29, the restored spaces will open to the public, its big reveal.


Can't wait to go see it!

Thx for the prompt. I tried to replace the two images from that post, but I couldn't make it work, so the captions are still orphans.

I took my photo group down there at the end of last month. Before we got run off by the rent-a-cops(telling us we couldn't photograph the building from the sidewalk on Alameda), I got this shot of the old ticketing area.

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...9e51dc71_b.jpg_3280066-Edit.jpg by BillinGlendaleCA, on Flickr

Thought I'd add one for the front of the station:
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...6670315d_b.jpg_3280137.jpg by BillinGlendaleCA, on Flickr

I just dropped in to see what condition my condition was in.
 

*sigh*
I was just browsing the list of new construction projects in Hollywood, and I am rather disappointed in what passes for architectural style these days, or since the late 40's really. It all looks like everything else that's been built in the past 20 years or so. Cheap, bland, and ugly.
I really don't understand how people are apparently pleased with these eyesores. One looks like an unfinished wire frame. W.T.F.? S.M.H.
I suppose I shouldn't be surprised, in this day and age it's apparently acceptable to go out in your pajamas with uncombed hair and flip-flops, so I suppose I shouldn't expect more from any other aspect of our society.

*deep breath*
Moving on, it would seem that I'm not the only one who's had to have some shall we say "heated arguments" with obtuse security guards over photographing a building from a public sidewalk.
I really don't understand their version of reality where they think it's illegal to take a picture of the building they're paid to watch. But what do you expect from a glorified hall monitor? :shrug:
Not to worry, from what I've seen with the recent advances in robotic security they'll soon be replaced by a parking meter on wheels.