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“Religious institutions in this city have long faced a battle in keeping up their buildings, and this is an opportunity,” Arzt said. I'm not sure he realizes this particular "religious institution" building might actually be torn down |
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I think they're leaning more towards a redevelopment along the likes of 111 W. 57th. The church is going to benefit from it, they wouldn't do it otherwise. In either case, the church would still have an improved home on site. http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/157823166/original.jpg Barnett has similar plans with the development on 66th... Quote:
As I mentioned earlier, these religious institutions are sitting on gold mines, and at a time when finances are harder, it would almost be foolish not to cash in. Anyway, we still know very little about the development, but already speculation is in the media... http://www.businessweek.com/articles...o-central-park Will Gary Barnett Bring a Third Skyscraper Shadow to Central Park? By Devin Leonard October 14, 2014 Quote:
Here's a look at the 58th Street side where Barnett has the apartment building... http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/157837060/original.jpg http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/157837061/original.jpg http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/157837062/original.jpg I'm not sure what else Extell already has on this side. I also don't think Barnett used all of the available air rights for One57, though I could be mistaken. Anyway, I could see a potential tower shifted to the 58th St side (like Nordstrom). The money shots for either of these towers would be north and south, so the sandwich effect might not make much of a difference, especially if there is a slender tower. Here you also see the development sites of the Park Land and 31 W. 57th. http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/157837063/original.jpg |
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I think a twin design complementing One57 would work. Something that looks like it, but at the same time is slightly different. Similar to how One Liberty Place complements the second tower although the two have some distinct differences. Given the proximity, if a supertall is in order, aesthetically it would work.
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Getting rid of a dreary brick monolith dotted with air con boxes? Nice.
Replacing it with what would likely be another super tall? Even better. |
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In an article last year, Barnett was lamenting his decision to not build One57 taller so he must have some air rights left and can transfer them. Anyway, I agree it will take quite some time before anything happens here. |
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1) Getting rid of a dreary brick monolith dotted with air con boxes? 75 Million 2) Replacing it with what would likely be another super tall? PRICELESS ;) |
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I would like something that could work off the existing building in the same way 111 W 57 works off of the existing Steinway Hall. The main shaft would be on the 58th Street side, closer to the park. The church would still have its presence at ground leve, but as it's in the middle of soaring towers, having a tower soar above it would be no different. |
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Edit: Dug up the permit here: http://a810-bisweb.nyc.gov/bisweb/Jo...ssdocnumber=01 Proposed Totals: 1,493,514 square feet |
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One57 evolved to a larger, taller building, back to a smaller one. At one time, Barnett said he might not even use all of the development rights at the Nordstrom sight, but that changed, and he's since acquired more. One57 http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/157873112/original.jpg http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/157873113/large.jpg |
I have two questions about this project.
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second... How many msf has the area shown in yellow? http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/157837063/original.jpg |
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For total square footage on that lot, you'd have to add up the total square footage of the existing buildings. |
i asked barnett about this today and he denied they had bought or were interested in anything but we shall see what happens...
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Yimby is the man.
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Wow. So they flat out called the church a liar, since details first came to surface from church documents. Quote:
Or he could basically be telling you something that's "factually" true, as of right now. I don't know if that statement is meant to be that they were never interested in anything, but no one ever said anything was final. It does seem likely though that even if Extell is out of the picture, the church would want to cash in for an upgrade. |
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NY Yimby is reporting Extell hasn't bought the building, nor is interested in buying the building. No one ever said anything about Extell buying a building to begin with. Assuming the conversation was understood on both sides, and assuming Barnett was being truthful and open, I still don't necessarily see a contradiction from the church documents. But, in any case, if Extell is negotiating, they probably aren't going to tell anyone. They already refused all comment before, when the news broke. It would frankly be stupid to do so. And no one has any idea was is percolating. Is Extell buying the air rights, and then applying the rights to the adjacent site it already owns on 58th street? Is Extell actually interested in acquiring and redeveloping the church and hotel buildings? Is there a third partner involved? Let's wait and see. What we do know is that Extell wouldn't have bought the 58th Street building, and wouldn't have reserved hundreds of thousands of square feet of unused air rights from One57, just for the hell of it. Barnett is generally a developer, not a flipper. |
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It's very contradictory. Quote:
He's basically saying he's not interested in "anything", whether it be purchasing or redeveloping, or simply air rights. Anything means literally that. But, as we said, it could just be cover. Now is not the time for them to be making waves over it, especially with so little known about Nordstrom, and he still has to market that. |
Another midtown project could reach the heavens, God willing
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Is 57th street going to be the densest collection of supertalls in the world, with only Lower Manhattan, the Vanderbilt corridor and the Hudson Yards being able to compete? |
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