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HossC Jul 21, 2020 6:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8987745)

If I were to wager a guess that this was building a little real estate office.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/JTYtry.jpg
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Does anyone know for sure what was in this little white building?

I think our mystery building is the one behind the billboards in this night view of Sunset Strip from July 19, 1957 (date from USC's blurrier version of the photo). The bright neon on Ciro's can be seen behind it.

https://hosting.photobucket.com/imag...080&fit=bounds
gettyimages.com.

Here's that side of Sunset from the 1956 CD. The MKM Motion Pictures building at 8411 Sunset can be seen at the right of the picture above, so I'm guessing that the mystery building was at 8423 (which includes Gates Realty amongst its tenants). I don't think the building was there very long as the Gene Autry Hotel took its site and the empty lot on the corner in 1963.

https://hosting.photobucket.com/imag...080&fit=bounds
LAPL

ethereal_reality Jul 21, 2020 8:36 PM

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:previous: Thanks Hoss!


I'm intrigued by the house with the huge M K M.

After I lightened the photo it became apparent the M K M are large cut-out letters.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...922/SnGtbw.jpg
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You can tell by the shadows they throw against the side of the house.


I tried to find information on MKM Motion Pictures Productions Inc. but came up empty.

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odinthor Jul 21, 2020 9:34 PM

:previous:

And meantime while we look into the M K M house's story, I became interested in li'l 8417 Sunset, sitting forlornly with its additional "1/2" on its single line between the other, multi-line, addresses on Hoss's list. But Research didn't bring me much:


https://i.postimg.cc/fR5cXXbc/8417-S...LAT-26-5-2.jpg
LA Times, May 2, 1926


https://i.postimg.cc/FKRjxRf2/8417-Sunet-LAT-60-4-8.jpg
LA Times, April 6, 1960

So 8417 went from being a "palatial home" to being where cocktail waitresses lodged (no disrespect to cocktail waitresses intended).

HossC Jul 21, 2020 10:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8988053)

I'm intrigued by the house with the huge M K M.

After I lightened the photo it became apparent the M K M are large cut-out letters.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...922/SnGtbw.jpg
detail

You can tell by the shadows they throw against the side of the house.

Due to the positioning of the letters in the lower left corner of the sign, I think the shadows may be painted on to give the illusion of depth.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8988053)

I tried to find information Productions Inc. but came up empty.

This is all I found on MKM Motion Pictures. It's a full page advert from The Radio Annual and Television Yearbook, 1954. Although based in Arizona, there's a Hollywood address at 8556 Hillside Avenue - just up the hill from 8411 Sunset. The 1956 CD has the HO 9-5110 number listed to Dave Greene in apt 5 at 6052 Romaine Street.

I looked up the careers of John Bromfield and Chinook the Wonder Dog, both of whom were big in the '50s. I also found a couple of passing mentions of Lea Knox Marlow, but nothing on the proposed TV show, 'Peter Angel'.

https://hosting.photobucket.com/imag...080&fit=bounds
archive.org

Snix Jul 21, 2020 10:53 PM

Here is more info on MKM Motion Pictures 8411 Sunset Blvd. and Lea Knox Marlow.

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...1c6391b1_b.jpg

Film Bulletin
May 18, 1953

This is Lea Knox Marlow as seen in the 1956 edition of the Film Daily Yearbook of Motion Pictures
Courtesy Bison Archives

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...893ffe19_k.jpg

and some background on one of her proposed TV show "Peter Angel" starring Chinook, the wonder dog.

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...3905a255_k.jpg
The Radio Annual, 1954


MKM MOTION PICTURES, Inc.
Laveen, Arizona
In Preparation on New Television Series
"PETER ANGEL"
The Gripping Adventures of a Wandering Man of God and his dog
Direction, Story and Screen Play
by
LEA KNOX MARLOW

Produced by
DON KEITH

Starring
JOHN BROMFIELD
and
Chinook
(Academy Award Winner Wonder Dog)

All Television Supervision by
CARL HUGHES CONS

All rights and privileges of use of title and story "Peter Angel"
Exclusive property of

MKM MOTION PICTURES, Inc

Address all communications to:

L K. MARLOW
Hollywood Representative
8556 Hillside Ave., Hollywood, Calif.
Phone: HOllywood 9-5110

Full text of "The Radio Annual and Television Yearbook, 1954"

https://archive.org/stream/radioannu...0radi_djvu.txt



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Originally Posted by HossC (Post 8987922)
I think our mystery building is the one behind the billboards in this night view of Sunset Strip from July 19, 1957 (date from USC's blurrier version of the photo). The bright neon on Ciro's can be seen behind it.

https://hosting.photobucket.com/imag...080&fit=bounds
gettyimages.com.

Here's that side of Sunset from the 1956 CD. The MKM Motion Pictures building at 8411 Sunset can be seen at the right of the picture above, so I'm guessing that the mystery building was at 8423 (which includes Gates Realty amongst its tenants). I don't think the building was there very long as the Gene Autry Hotel took its site and the empty lot on the corner in 1963.

https://hosting.photobucket.com/imag...080&fit=bounds
LAPL


nadeau Jul 21, 2020 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Bristolian (Post 8987621)
So the Huntingtons were able to hold onto the Beach, the Park and the Library but the Palisades got away?

That palisade has eroded substantially over the years. If you compare current Google Maps to the aerial, it’s quite a time suck to analyze the differences. Maybe the Huntington part just fell off the edge.

Martin Pal Jul 22, 2020 1:02 AM

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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8986696)
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Take a look at this amazing amateur slide of Circo's c.1950s

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/b2U7jU.jpg
eBay
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Originally Posted by Martin Pal (Post 8986780)
We've seen this 1949 photo before:

https://waterandpower.org/C%20Histor...Strip_1949.jpgCalisphere
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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8987745)
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https://scontent-lax3-2.xx.fbcdn.net...fa&oe=5F39A603
Facebook


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Quote:

Originally Posted by HossC (Post 8987922)
I think our mystery building is the one behind the billboards in this night view of Sunset Strip from July 19, 1957 (date from USC's blurrier version of the photo). The bright neon on Ciro's can be seen behind it.

https://hosting.photobucket.com/imag...080&fit=bounds
gettyimages.com.

Here's that side of Sunset from the 1956 CD. The MKM Motion Pictures building at 8411 Sunset can be seen at the right of the picture above, so I'm guessing that the mystery building was at 8423 (which includes Gates Realty amongst its tenants). I don't think the building was there very long as the Gene Autry Hotel took its site and the empty lot on the corner in 1963.

https://hosting.photobucket.com/imag...080&fit=bounds
LAPL
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I was trying to figure out possible dates for the slide E_R posted and then the color one that shows Ciro's being painted.

First, in the 1949 view of Sunset Blvd. above, am I correct that the "M K M" (to be) house is there (white or light color) on the hill behind/under those trees?

Also, in the Ciro's photo that shows the "real estate" (8423) house, I was assuming for the longest time that Ciro's, shown being painted, was being painted beige/pink, but then it dawned on me it actually might be being painted brown. Now I'm not sure at all which.

Most all of Ciro's exterior photos I've been looking at online are not dated, nor do most all of them show the "real estate" (8423) house. HossC's photo of the area from July 19, 1957, shows Ciro's, obviously, but I can't really tell what color it is in that photo. (By the way, Ciro's closed in Dec. of 1957.)

Below: I believe this particular photo (only noted as possibly 1955) seems to show the M K M house (to be) with the trees and painted white, and no "real estate" (8423) building yet. CLICK ON THE PHOTO FOR LARGE SIZE.

https://i2.wp.com/www.martinturnbull...size=640%2C426Pinterest

This previously seen photo below on NLA does show the "real estate" (8423) building, though it's behind the car. Ciro's color is not the same brown as above...

https://i2.wp.com/www.martinturnbull...trip-1950s.png

... and the sides of the "real estate" (8423) building look to be painted gray, not white as in the picture below:

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/JTYtry.jpgdetail

Also, in the above photo, to the left of E_R's red arrow, what is that on the pole sticking up from the sidewalk. It looks like a street sign, but if it is, it's quite aways away from the street.



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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8987745)
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M P, I loved the wallpaper discovery! I wasn't aware that Ciro's had a basement.

Rediscovered wallpaper.
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/3...923/TpGW5p.jpg

M P, your link to the other wallpaper photos doesn't work.
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E_R the link still works for me. :shrug:

LINK:
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Besides these two photos, six more shots of the wallpaper HERE
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If not, try this one HERE and scroll down a little.

If that doesn't work, try searching Ciro's Memorabilia Facebook.

Cam330 Jul 22, 2020 4:16 AM

The guy in the 53-55 Vette outside Ciro's sure looks a lot like Bobby Vinton.

riichkay Jul 22, 2020 6:28 AM

https://hosting.photobucket.com/imag...080&fit=bounds
UCLA archives

A view down Olive St. from just past the Fremont Hotel, 1928.



https://hosting.photobucket.com/imag...080&fit=bounds

There's some major construction underway in the middle of the street.

HossC Jul 22, 2020 9:05 AM

:previous:

We're actually looking down 4th Street with Olive crossing the frame just beyond the Fremont Hotel. Great photo.

HossC Jul 22, 2020 9:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Martin Pal (Post 8988330)

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/JTYtry.jpgdetail

Also, in the above photo, to the left of E_R's red arrow, what is that on the pole sticking up from the sidewalk. It looks like a street sign, but if it is, it's quite aways away from the street.

I can't find any other pictures showing that sign. It was opposite N Olive Drive, so my best guess is that it marked the intersection of Sunset Boulevard and N Olive Drive.

ethereal_reality Jul 22, 2020 6:33 PM

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I have a question. (maybe we've already covered it)

Did Ciro's utilize the old Club Seville building or did they build a completely new building?


https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/yL0iVx.jpg
LIFE

:shrug:

info:

"The first nightspot to occupy this site was Club Seville, opened New Year’s Eve 1935 by 12-31-35 Marcel Lamaze and Al “de Freitas” (Alfred B. Freitas). Both had long associations with Sunset Strip clubs: Freitas had run a previous Club Seville at 8428 Sunset that was raided during Prohibition; LaMaze, lately arrived from Miami by way of New York, would have ties to 9039 Sunset as well as the Clover Club at 8477 Sunset. The highlight of Club Seville was its Crystal Marine Room, featuring a crystal dance floor with subsurface fish, fountains and colored lights."
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The Crystal Marine Room sounds like a real trip. A dance floor with live fish underneath! Am I reading that right?



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Martin Pal Jul 22, 2020 6:50 PM

:previous:

E_R, while reading various things about Ciro's the past few days, this is something I read on the Playground to the Stars website: HERE.


Louis Adlon, son of the proprietor of Berlin’s Hotel Adlon, opened Hollywood’s first iteration of Ciro’s in 1934. Located on Hollywood Boulevard, the club was informally part of a chain with locations in London, Paris and Berlin. The Hollywood Ciro’s was not a success, apparently, because it soon folded.

[I HAVE A QUESTION...HAVE WE EVER SEEN A PHOTO OF THIS 1934 CIRO'S ON HOLLYWOOD BLVD.?]

In 1935, the building at 8433 Sunset Blvd. that would later house the Sunset Strip’s Ciro’s was completed. The first tenant was Al De Freitas’ Club Seville, where the gimmick was a dance floor made from sheets of glass over a giant aquarium. But dancing on fish proved not to be popular, and the club closed within a year.

In 1940, six years after he successfully launched Cafe Trocadero down the street in Sunset Plaza, Hollywood Reporter publisher Billy Wilkerson acquired the former Club Seville building, redesigned the interior in his trademark Hollywood style and opened a new Ciro’s in the space on January 31.

Wilkerson created Ciro’s as a “celebrities only” club, but by the summer of 1942 he had lost interest in it. In November, he leased it to Herman Hover, who reconfigured the layout and opened it up to the public as well as the stars. In June, the building was nearly destroyed by fire. It was closed for four months, after which Hover purchased the building from Wilkerson.


See this post about the fire:
https://skyscraperpage.com/forum/sho...ostcount=35844

HossC Jul 22, 2020 7:19 PM

:previous:

There are three building permits for 8433 Sunset from 1940, all listing the owner as W R Wilkerson:

August 19th - "Enlarging present cafe to make more storage and kitchen space."
September 4th - "Add third floor to existing bldg, install new fire escape."
September 10th - "Enlarging present cafe to make kitchen & storage space - supplementary valuation No increase in size. Add partition."

BTW. The 1940 CD lists 8433 Sunset under 'Restaurants and Lunch Rooms' as "Knew & La Maze".

Martin Pal Jul 22, 2020 7:50 PM

In 2016, there were some posts concerning a tenant of Ciro's neighbor, the Hacienda Park Apartments aka Coronet Apartments aka Piazza del Sol.

The Hacienda Noir cast of characters.

Cast:
Paul Ivar Wharton
Mrs. W. A. Wharton
William McCauley Howard
N. C. McDermott
Henry E. Bolte
Virginia Bolte

There were newspaper photos of Paul, Henry and Virginia.

https://skyscraperpage.com/forum/sho...ostcount=35843
https://skyscraperpage.com/forum/sho...ostcount=35932
https://skyscraperpage.com/forum/sho...ostcount=35933
https://skyscraperpage.com/forum/sho...ostcount=35945

I discovered a recent (2019) and more detailed article about this story on WeHoVille, which includes a couple different photos and also one of "William McCauley Howard" (Billy) whom we hadn't seen.

LINK: The Strange Men Murder

This is part of a series of articles, all linked below:

Hacienda Park and the Origins of the Sunset Strip
Part 1. Riviera in the Foothills
Part 2. An All American Tragedy
Part 3. The ‘Strange Men’ Murder
Part 4. Out of the Ashes
Part 5. Coronet Apartments: Villa of Vice?

HossC Jul 22, 2020 8:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Martin Pal (Post 8989095)

Louis Adlon, son of the proprietor of Berlin’s Hotel Adlon, opened Hollywood’s first iteration of Ciro’s in 1934. Located on Hollywood Boulevard, the club was informally part of a chain with locations in London, Paris and Berlin. The Hollywood Ciro’s was not a success, apparently, because it soon folded.

[I HAVE A QUESTION...HAVE WE EVER SEEN A PHOTO OF THIS 1934 CIRO'S ON HOLLYWOOD BLVD.?]

Here's a piece about the opening of the original Ciro's on Hollywood Boulevard from Hollywood Filmograph (Jan-Oct 1934):

https://hosting.photobucket.com/imag...0/LACiros3.jpg
archive.org

Strangely, the only Club New Yorker I could find in Hollywood in the CDs was at 6728 Hollywood Boulevard in the 1936 CD (i.e. two years after the early Ciro's opened). That's the basement of the now-demolished section of the Hotel Christie which was covered in the early pages of NLA.

Martin Pal Jul 22, 2020 8:33 PM

:previous:

Thanks, HossC. The notation that the Hollywood Blvd. Ciro's was "informally part of a chain with the others in London, Paris and Berlin..."

There's this British Pathe reel from 1932 about the London one:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJ5NKL7QqfA

3940dxer Jul 22, 2020 11:43 PM

Hello all. I believe that in the early days this thread someone posted an early photo or two of Nichols Ranch in West Hollywood but I can't find them now. Can anyone point me to that post, or if you know the photos I mean, re-post them? Thanks in advance.

ethereal_reality Jul 23, 2020 6:02 AM

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A bit of a mystery. (mislabeled?)

LAFD Firehouse Inspection, 1956

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/62WAME.jpg
eBay

SUBJECT: A 1956 view of Fairfax Avenue and firefighters from the Los Angeles, California Fire Department - Station No. 58 taking a break before inspection.
FILM FORMAT: 35mm.
FILM TYPE: Kodachrome.
MOUNT: 2" x 2", Cardboard, Red Border, written notations.
DATE: Written date - FEBRUARY 1956. Mount is consistent with those used at that time.
WRITTEN NOTATIONS ON MOUNT: See scan. (below)

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...922/elb0CI.jpg


"A 1956 view of Fairfax Avenue and firefighters from the Los Angeles, California Fire Department - Station No. 58"

But Station 58 wasn't located on Fairfax Avenue. Station 58 was/is located at 1556 S. Robertson Boulevard....Nowhere near Fairfax :shrug:



Possible clue:

There is a swim school down the street.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/xq90/924/hB6TbY.jpg
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eBay Link

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BillinGlendaleCA Jul 23, 2020 7:31 AM

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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8989681)
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A bit of a mystery. (mislabeled?)

LAFD Firehouse Inspection, 1956

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/62WAME.jpg
eBay

SUBJECT: A 1956 view of Fairfax Avenue and firefighters from the Los Angeles, California Fire Department - Station No. 58 taking a break before inspection.
FILM FORMAT: 35mm.
FILM TYPE: Kodachrome.
MOUNT: 2" x 2", Cardboard, Red Border, written notations.
DATE: Written date - FEBRUARY 1956. Mount is consistent with those used at that time.
WRITTEN NOTATIONS ON MOUNT: See scan. (below)

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It's mislabeled.
Here's your swim school.
https://i.postimg.cc/5NL9yq0X/Annota...-23-002403.jpg


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