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nealberke Apr 8, 2024 3:42 AM

Old Dixie BBQ Menu on Worthpoint
 
[There's a couple of OLD DIXIE menus on WORTHPOINT.COM here:

https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...mammy-menu-l-a

https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...-los-695394416

I'm sorry, I have no idea how to get the photos on Noirish Los Angeles.

Flyingwedge Apr 9, 2024 4:48 AM

1891 LA County Courthouse's outside elevator and its first operator
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JScott (Post 6977752)
By far the clearest/sharpest photograph of the early Court House that I have ever seen. I imagine it was taken the same day in 1899 as the Detroit Photographic Co. panorama photos, posted previously by MichaelRyerson.

http://otters.net/img/lanoir/thelosa...thouse1899.jpg
Denver Public Library Digital Collections (cropped, rotated, minor spot-fixes)

Hop over to the source page and play with the magnify function! You'll be amazed at just how intricate the stonework was in this great old edifice...


I was dismayed to learn recently that this and the other William Henry Jackson photos of Los Angeles, formerly at the Denver Public Library,
are no longer hosted there. Also gone are this 1887 panorama (CHS.J3927 and CHS.J3928) and this 1901 image (CHS.J3108) looking north
from 3rd and Broadway, among others.

My inquiry to the DPL about the photos received this answer: "Unfortunately, those photos belong to History Colorado and, after the move to
our new system, we are no longer hosting them. Hopefully, they will become available through the HC website." Maybe if enough of us contact
History Colorado we'll get to see the photos again!


UPDATE: I phoned History Colorado where a helpful representative directed me to this link . . . if you enter "Los Angeles" next to "All Title"
you will get the WH Jackson photos of Los Angeles, though unfortunately in low resolution only. The object ID numbers from the Denver Public
Library no longer seem to work . . . the 1887 panorama, which was CHS.J3927 and CHS.J3928, is now 86.200.7000 and 86.200.7001.


About the above courthouse photo . . . it appears the strip of grass above the excavation for the tunnel, which led to the elevator (the cab is
at the second floor), is still growing in. So the picture was likely taken in early, rather than late, 1899:

https://hosting.photobucket.com/imag...nel_marked.jpg


The tunnel was built in the second half of 1898, around the same time as the outside elevator:

https://hosting.photobucket.com/imag...d_elevator.jpg

May 24, 1898, Los Angeles Herald @ CDNC via UC Riverside


The Los Angeles County Board of Supervisors named Benjamin F. Talbot the first operator of the courthouse's outside elevator:

https://hosting.photobucket.com/imag...tor_-_clip.jpg

December 8, 1898, Los Angeles Herald @ Newspapers.com


There were some problems with the new elevator's power and controlling that power. It was written that Talbot's most faithful friend
"could hardly predict success for him in his new position":

https://hosting.photobucket.com/imag...lbott_copy.jpg

December 14, 1898, Los Angeles Record @ Newspapers.com


A little over a year later, Talbot was killed when he fell to the bottom of the elevator shaft:

https://hosting.photobucket.com/imag...ath_1_of_2.jpg
https://hosting.photobucket.com/imag...ath_2_of_2.jpg
https://hosting.photobucket.com/imag...postscript.jpg

February 18, 1900, Los Angeles Times @ Newspapers.com


Read more about Benjamin Franklin Talbot here.

ethereal_reality Apr 11, 2024 9:16 PM

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Excellent observations, Flyingwedge. ..I'll contact the Denver Public Library as well.

Contact DPL Here. Easy Peasy. :)

I plan to do a couple of posts later today - so everyone check back.
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ethereal_reality Apr 11, 2024 9:36 PM

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Here's a one-of-a-kind snapshot that included the wooden steps leading down to the beach in Santa Monica. (1920s?)

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/xq70/924/xlM5wJ.jpg
eBay

We've probably already covered this but does anyone know when -and why- the steps were removied?


update:oops.

I see that the seller says this is Long Beach. If Long Beach had wooden stairs
I had forgotten all about them.
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odinthor Apr 12, 2024 2:10 AM

:previous:

e_r, I think the site of the steps is in the distance in this shot:

https://i.postimg.cc/28Rztq0s/LBBeach.jpg
odinthor collection

I believe the house in your picture on the top of the bluff of which we can see a corner above the hamburger stand is the smaller, more distant, structure in my pic. Maybe it's my imagination, but I think I can see a hint of the stairs in my pic--not the dark blotch at center, but a little farther.

Flyingwedge Apr 12, 2024 3:03 AM

:previous:

Is that the Myers/Bixby mansion on the bluff? If those are the same stairs, they were just west of the mansion, as seen in this c. 1929 aerial.
That's Bixby Park at the top of the photo. I've arrowed the foot of the stairs; the building to the left seems to match e_r's photo:

https://hosting.photobucket.com/imag...S_-_marked.jpg

IN-G-1921-A @ Historical Society of Long Beach


Here is a closer look at the stairs:

https://hosting.photobucket.com/imag...rs_closeup.jpg

odinthor Apr 12, 2024 3:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flyingwedge (Post 10182983)
:previous:

Is that the Myers/Bixby mansion on the bluff? [...]

Yes!

https://i.postimg.cc/2jX8rkCw/LBMeyers.jpg
odinthor collection

https://i.postimg.cc/gkXc0CJP/LBMeyers2.jpg
odinthor collection

:tup:

ethereal_reality Apr 12, 2024 8:00 PM

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Thanks for your help odinthor & Flyingwedge. I appreciate it, guys.


Here's another intriguing Long Beach snapshot.

There appears to be a short wooden bridge and atop the hill a wall with a huge gate(?).

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/xq70/922/JKTcsc.jpg
eBay

This one is truly baffling, and I'm not talking about her choice of patterns. (I acutally like what she's wearing)



The back.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/xq70/924/bK5YR6.jpg

Look at all that writing that is covered up. I wonder if a scientist . . oh, nevermind.



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ethereal_reality Apr 12, 2024 11:16 PM

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Here's a faded color snapshot of Pasadena dated May 1972.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/Ky16y4.jpg
eBay

I couldn't help but noticed the hotel sign on the roof of the building in the foreground. :previous: Does anyone know what hotel that is . . .or whether or not it's still there?



Here's a closer look.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/L1boc1.png

It appears the name is below the word hotel on the sign but I can't make it.

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odinthor Apr 13, 2024 2:09 AM

e_r, it's the Hotel Livingstone, listed at 123 S. Los Robles, Pasadena.

Bristolian Apr 13, 2024 4:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 10182806)
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Here's a one-of-a-kind snapshot that included the wooden steps leading down to the beach in Santa Monica. (1920s?)

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/xq70/924/xlM5wJ.jpg
eBay

We've probably already covered this but does anyone know when -and why- the steps were removied?


update:oops.

I see that the seller says this is Long Beach. If Long Beach had wooden stairs
I had forgotten all about them.
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e_r, This turns out to be very close to or perhaps the same location as another set of wooden stairs in Long Beach you posted in a group of eBay photographs back in January. The location of that photo was identified as what is now Bluff Place in Long Beach.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 10113911)
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https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/9ojgyz.png

At first I thought it showed the construction of the road leading down to the beach in Santa Monica. (end of RT. 66, right?) But on closer inspection I believe that isn't the case.

Does it look familiar to anyone? :shrug: . . . obviously the best clue is the large apartment buildig on the left.


ethereal_reality Apr 15, 2024 9:01 PM


A mystery location.


Here are a couple of interesting snapshots that have shown up recently on eBay.


"1914 My Baby Girl Born Here Clara Barton Hospital Los Angeles CA"


https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/ZGLEOx.jpg
eBay



https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/5k5vCD.jpg
eBay


The hospital doesn't look familiar and neither does the surrounding area.

Where was this hospital located?


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ethereal_reality Apr 15, 2024 9:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by odinthor (Post 10183764)
e_r, it's the Hotel Livingstone, listed at 123 S. Los Robles, Pasadena.


Thanks, odinthor...And I see that it still has the same rooftop sign.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...924/hoLn4J.jpg

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...923/OghkQK.jpg

I wondered what that little 'loop' was at the top of the sign - now I see that it is the top of the elongated L in Livingstone but it only works if you're looking at it in the opposite direction.

Like here.
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...924/gGcEVN.jpg
....................................................Ta Dah



More about the Livingstone at toplacondos
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HossC Apr 15, 2024 9:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 10185315)

A mystery location.

Here are a couple of interesting snapshots that have shown up recently on eBay.

"1914 My Baby Girl Born Here Clara Barton Hospital Los Angeles CA"

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/ZGLEOx.jpg
eBay

The hospital doesn't look familiar and neither does the surrounding area.

Where was this hospital located?

According to this 1915 advert, the Clara Barton Hospital was at 447 S Olive Street. More info at link below the image.

https://hosting.photobucket.com/imag...onHospital.jpg
www.oldhomesoflosangeles.org

ethereal_reality Apr 15, 2024 9:47 PM

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:previous: Excellent!..Thanks, Hoss. :)


Here's one more snapshot for today.


Seller's description:.1931 vintage PHOTO MEAT MARKET interior FIGUEROA + 43rd Los Angeles

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/xq70/924/1Yz0Ft.jpg
eBay

Note the sawdust on the floor. (to soak up the blood)


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Flyingwedge Apr 15, 2024 10:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HossC (Post 10185361)
According to this 1915 advert, the Clara Barton Hospital was at 447 S Olive Street. More info at link below the image.

https://hosting.photobucket.com/imag...onHospital.jpg
www.oldhomesoflosangeles.org


It was previously known as the Deaconess Hospital. I don't know when it was built or when the name changed:

https://hosting.photobucket.com/imag...ive_-_1024.jpg

1904 LA City Directory @ fold3.com

riichkay Apr 16, 2024 3:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 10185372)
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:previous: Excellent!..Thanks, Hoss. :)


Here's one more snapshot for today.


Seller's description:.1931 vintage PHOTO MEAT MARKET interior FIGUEROA + 43rd Los Angeles

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/xq70/924/1Yz0Ft.jpg
eBay

Note the sawdust on the floor. (to soak up the blood)


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This is likely Mr. Ernest J. Hamer Sr. in his butcher shop at 4313 S. Figueroa St, he would have been age 35 here....his parents, Adolph and Gertrude Hamer, operated a grocery business adjacent at 4311 S. Figueroa...the joint enterprise was known as Hamer & Son as per the 1927 street directory....


https://hosting.photobucket.com/imag...720&fit=bounds



1929 CD....

https://hosting.photobucket.com/imag...720&fit=bounds



Note that Ernest is shown in business with his wife Viola....Ernest married the former Viola Rees on 1/19/1914 (image courtesy FamilySearch)....

https://hosting.photobucket.com/imag...720&fit=bounds




...the family home was a few blocks away at 400 W. 47th St....1920 census....


https://hosting.photobucket.com/imag...080&fit=bounds



....the storefronts were constructed in 1922....


https://hosting.photobucket.com/imag...720&fit=bounds



....Ernest Hamer Sr. died in 1967.....


https://hosting.photobucket.com/imag...080&fit=bounds



The buildings on Figueroa are gone, as is the family home, which was in the path of the 110 Fwy.

ethereal_reality Apr 16, 2024 3:27 AM

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:previous:

Excellent sleuthing, riichkay. .. Thank you.



re: Clara Barton Hospital
Quote:

Originally Posted by Flyingwedge (Post 10185418)
It was previously known as the Deaconess Hospital, 447 South Olive St. I don't know when it was built or when the name changed.

It all gets a bit more confusing because there appears to have been a Deaconess Home on the corner of Sunset and Custer that was being turned into a hospital in 1907.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...924/3EaMPY.jpg
Los Angeles Herald - March 14, 1907




The Plot Thickens.

I just found this earlier article (from March 9, 1904) that places the Deaconess Home at the corner of Custer and Bellevue Ave.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...922/76sOZU.jpg
Los Angeles Herald

I wonder which corner is the correct one. . . .. Sunset Blvd. and Custer - or - Custer and Bellevue? :shrug:
(of course this is an entirely different issue from the Clara Barton / Deanconess Hospital downtown at 447 S. Olive Street)



Say Goodnight, Gracie.

odinthor Apr 16, 2024 4:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 10185315)
A mystery location.


Here are a couple of interesting snapshots that have shown up recently on eBay.


"1914 My Baby Girl Born Here Clara Barton Hospital Los Angeles CA"


https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/ZGLEOx.jpg
eBay



https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/5k5vCD.jpg
eBay


The hospital doesn't look familiar and neither does the surrounding area.

Where was this hospital located?


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e_r, it was located here:

https://i.postimg.cc/PqRJTmWy/Oliv5NW.jpg
odinthor collection

That's the Auditorium at right, and the Auditorium Hotel at left.

Noir_Noir Apr 16, 2024 4:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by riichkay (Post 10185600)
This is likely Mr. Ernest J. Hamer Sr. in his butcher shop at 4313 S. Figueroa St, he would have been age 35 here....his parents, Adolph and Gertrude Hamer, operated a grocery business adjacent at 4311 S. Figueroa...the joint enterprise was known as Hamer & Son as per the 1927 street directory....

I think you're spot on riichkay.

Here's the father Adolph in 1906 when he had a restaurant on S. Main St.


https://i.imgur.com/Pse596e.jpeg
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/...6/adolph_hamer


https://i.imgur.com/SeMXZps.jpeg


Spot Ernest's distinctive arched eyebrow just like his Da. :)




In 1920 Ernest had an idea for wrapping ice cream cones in a sanitary manner.


https://i.imgur.com/Qlnrpy6.jpeg
patents.google.com



Adolph Hamer was one of the good guys.


https://i.imgur.com/9twSFDO.jpeg
archive.org - Orphan Train Riders


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