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tovangar2 Feb 2, 2013 3:30 AM

Half Moon Motel
The Half Moon Motel, Sepulveda and Piggott Dr, Culver City:

My kids must have asked me a million times why it says "Half Moon" but has an image of a crescent moon.

It has an exceedingly knarly old yucca on the corner with a really thick trunk:

There's a couple of more angled vertical signs across the street:

BifRayRock Feb 2, 2013 3:44 AM

1924 Empire China Company - Burbank (N Victory Pl & Empire Ave ?)

1931 - Empire China (Manufacturer of dishes/table ware. ) Digital Digital

BifRayRock Feb 2, 2013 3:54 AM

1982 - Empire 900 Motel formerly the Imperial 400 Motel (900 W. Olympic) (Be careful with glass!)

BifRayRock Feb 2, 2013 3:57 AM

Thanks for the assists.

tovangar2 Feb 2, 2013 4:12 AM

Allied Model Trains
Allied Model Trains was on Pico near Westwood Blvd since 1946. In the 90s they built a nifty building in Culver City on Sepulveda at Barman. It was really surprisingly well done and I, for one, appreciated the landscaping. Now it's Samy's Camera where the clocks don't even run on time.

Some difficulty or other caused Allied to move across Barman to a smaller, older, but still nice, building:

The other one:

Wig-Wag Feb 2, 2013 6:12 AM

In answer to Ethereal_Reality regarding his post on the small structure and channel in Elysian Park on page 606. This appears to be a part of the old Buena Vista Reservoir in Elysian Park. The pipe may be one of the early wooden pipes, terminating at a flow control gate emptying into an open water channel.

Part of this channel may be seen on Google Maps satellite view of Elysian Reservoir. Locate the parked white pickup and trailer at the midpoint of the reservoir and follow along the edge towards Grand View Avenue. The channel comes into view at the corner of the reservoir.


Additional research reveals that I may be wrong about the channel connecting to the reservoir. The picture is explained here:

Cheers, Jack

procab Feb 2, 2013 7:32 AM


Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 5997213)
The only information I have for this photograph is Elysian Park.
on an old cd of mine

What exactly are we looking at here? I can't figure it out.

A slightly below-grade rr track? abandoned canal? What is that just below the small building...a large corrugated pipe?


This is the Los Angeles Water Co ditch close to the intersection of Stadium Way and I-5. The ditch was ~30-40 ft above the fields below and most likely survives today.

ethereal_reality Feb 2, 2013 4:57 PM

Interesting. Thanks for your procab and Wig-Wag. I've been wondering about that photo for quite awhile.

I was surprised the photograph is dated 1899 (I thought later) and that it's a Zanja (cool).
So what I thought might be rr tracks is what...just planking?

ethereal_reality Feb 2, 2013 5:07 PM


Originally Posted by tovangar2 (Post 5997633)
The windows are the big loss, but that's what happens when an economy changes over from manufacturing to warehousing.

You're absolutely correct. I wasn't thinking.

shadyguy Feb 2, 2013 5:14 PM

I appreciate all the information on the "Second Hill Street Tunnel and looks like it may have been longer than any of the other tunnels. ?
If there are any photos of the entrances up close I would love to see them also!

ethereal_reality Feb 2, 2013 5:15 PM


Originally Posted by tovangar2 (Post 5997662)
There's a couple of more angled vertical signs across the street:

We used to eat lunch at that Italian restaurant when I worked for Lorimar. I had forgotten about it until I saw your photograph.

ethereal_reality Feb 2, 2013 6:58 PM

I've searched the thread several times, and this is the only time the Avodon Ballroom is mentioned. I don't know how we missed it.


Originally Posted by Fab Fifties Fan (Post 5337381)
On July 20, 1946, the body of a pretty young mother named Angelina Loya was found in a vacant lot at 1026 E. Olympic Blvd. She had been severely beaten, stabbed and disembowled. Angelina had been out that night, with friends, dancing at the Avodon Ballroom.
LA Herald Examiner Archives/LAPL

What led to my search was this matchbook I found earlier this week.

below: "The longest bar in California." -really?

A nice black and white of the Avodon.

below: a wider view.

The Avodon Ballroom site today. All it's neighbors are still standing.

Distance between the Avodon Ballroom and where Ms. Loya's body was found.
google aerial

To see who murdered Angelina Loya go to Fab Fifties Fan's original post here:


Lwize Feb 2, 2013 7:50 PM

For those in SoCal, KCET is showing the Red Car tunnels episode of Visiting with Huell Houser at 5PM today (sat 2/2/13).

austlar1 Feb 2, 2013 9:16 PM

I wonder if that is Mickey Cohen's big black Caddy parked outside the Avadon Ballroom?

ProphetM Feb 2, 2013 10:11 PM


Originally Posted by shadyguy (Post 5998067)
I appreciate all the information on the "Second Hill Street Tunnel and looks like it may have been longer than any of the other tunnels. ?
If there are any photos of the entrances up close I would love to see them also!

OK, I'm gonna put this all together... including a picture that I thought had been posted here earlier, but I was unable to find it in the thread!

First we have a photo that MichaelRyerson hosted and posted on page 605. It's 1945 and we're looking north, standing near the top of the stairs above the Hill St. double tunnel (trains on the left, cars on the right). A northbound train is about to pick up some riders, and then it will cross Temple St. and bear left into the unpaved approach to tunnel #2.

Next we have a couple of photos from a page at

Now it's 1946 and we have walked down the stairs toward Temple Street. At extreme right, a red Pacific Electric train sits at the same spot as the one in the first photo, while a yellow & green LA Railway train turns toward us from eastbound Temple. Across Temple Street, a second PE train appears to be sitting in a siding that lays to the right of the tracks leading into tunnel #2. Marked at far left is the right edge of the concrete entrance to tunnel #2; the tunnel itself is blocked from view by that pesky foreground building.

We continue walking towards Temple Street and then across it, finally allowing us a good view of the approach and south portal of tunnel #2 (while also stepping back in time a decade or two):

Unfortunately, I was not able to find a good picture of the north portal. I shall have to make due with this wide shot looking west, posted by kznyc2k (also on page 605). We've come back to 1947, and the Hill St. double tunnel is visible at far left above the huge federal building, while the north portal of the Broadway tunnel is easy to make out towards the lower right.
But tunnel #2 is what we're looking for and I have marked it - what I think may be the disturbed earth around the cut for the south portal is just barely visible on the left, but the protruding concrete and shadow of the north portal is a little easier to make out on the right:

Ta da! :)

kznyc2k Feb 2, 2013 10:51 PM

Just went through my files again and found another shot sort of showing the tunnels in 1950. Note the lines drawn on depicting where the freeway would soon be slicing through.

Still can't find any pics of the northernmost portal!

kznyc2k Feb 2, 2013 11:00 PM

And here's another batch of LA Noire pics, this time with a focus on some of our favorite Bunker Hill locations:
Taking the Beverly overpass into town
Clay Street and Angels Flight
View down Third from Clay
View down Third from the stairs leading up to Olive
Now at Fourth and Olive and the Fremont Hotel's steps
Looking up Fourth towards Grand
Looking down Olive towards the Trenton, Biltmore, Pershing...
Last for now, a shot from the parking lot behind the Fremont looking towards the PE Subway Terminal Building and Title Guarantee

Krell58 Feb 2, 2013 11:44 PM

What a great thread!! I started reading it at 10 pages per day, and got to the current pages about a month ago. I've never been to LA though.

ethereal_reality Feb 2, 2013 11:58 PM

...another example of a Corinthian columned apartment.


Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 5386039)

The photograph shows the Beck Hotel and Apartments at 7th & Francisco Street.
If you look closely, the street sign says 7th Place as opposed to 7th Street.....and yet 7th Place is nowhere near Figueroa.
(the sign atop the building at left says 'figueroa building')
So is this location correct?


I didn't have my trusty 1947 map when I asked the above question several years ago so here goes...

It turns out there was a 7th Place near Figueroa.

This makes the Beck Hotel (green circle) almost next door neighbors to the Westmoore Hotel (blue circle) at 7th street and Flower.

The Westmoore one last time.

Today 7th Place today is further east by the river (not there on the 1947 map).
2011 MAP


tovangar2 Feb 3, 2013 12:08 AM

Ceres Ave

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 5998189)
Distance between the Avodon Ballroom and where Ms. Loya's body was found.
google aerial

And, of course, it's E Olympic at the corner of "notorious" Ceres Ave:

That was a really sad story e_r, but a fun-looking ballroom. The building, judging by the brickwork on the side, looks to be quite old. Was it something else before?

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