^ interesting.
i mean, BIG > Stern, am i right? Related promised something "architecturally significant". this sounds like a step in the right direction. |
Is this worthy of starting a new thread for yet?
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we have to discuss this juicy rumor, and we need a place to do it. and something BIG (get it?) will eventually be built on this site, so let's discuss the possibilities. |
BIG wow hopefully it won't be extremely tacky. Still good news best architect they've ever chosen.
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Hmmm... would rather have Smith & Gil, Herzog, or Richard Rogers than the contrivance I'm afraid BIG will propose, but I'll wait and see, obviously.
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Wooaaahhh. Hello. This is indeed BIG news.....
Exciting intel here......despite the fact that I, as many seem to, think their design is a downgrade from Foster's at 2 WTC, and disappointing in some ways in its own right, this is still exciting and I'm optimistic that they will come up with something compelling for the spire site if Related has in fact handed its design to them..... |
Looks like the "to" in "a possible Spire part to" is the Danish word for "two". Don't know why they chose to use the Danish word instead of the American one, other than to be punny, because it looks as though it were a typo and it gets confusing with the American word "to" (I think I'm confused after re-reading this sentence). Linguistics aside, the idea of a Chicago Spire 2.0 makes me wonder how similar it will be to the previous design.
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I asked someone from Related about this and I was asked where I heard this info and I said I read a little blurb that had no verifying information.
When i delved deeper and asked if they could throw me a bone, I was shot down. That act almost makes me believe that there's more truth to some of this than not... |
BIG; "Your Supertall Foundation-adaptation Specialists"
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Great lets hope we get the BIG that designed 625 w 57th st. and not the BIG that designed 2WTC.
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Also very much agreed about the loss of the Spire. It was perfect for this site. :( |
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http://images.adsttc.com/media/image...jpg?1373318874 ...reminds me of this weird little gem on Sheridan: http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_OvonoKii_d...conieswide.jpg (photo by my hero, Lynn Becker) |
^That building on Sheridan isn't a gem, it's a total pile.
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granville tower is one hell of a cool little odd-ball gem. i was at my cousin's wedding in the park kitty-corner to it over the summer and my brother-in-law (a high school teacher with no specific interest in architecture) looked up at granville tower and said, without any provocation from me, "that sure is a strange looking building. i don't know if i like it or not, but it's so weird it's actually kinda cool". i smiled benignly. |
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PS, I wish they'd paint the concrete another color, it would greatly improve people's general opinions of the tower. Paint it cream, it would look so sick with that brown brick. Also, the best part isn't even the crazy facade massing or duplex construction, but the sick treatment of the base. It's a pool deck, a parking deck, and a lobby with absolutely nothing else. No extra hallways, no blank walls hiding the cars, no fortress walls around the pool. Just entirely open and honest. |
I wish they could just build this. Maybe make a 1600-1700' version, carve an wide rectangular opening around the 1500' mark, add an observation deck with restaurant, make it mixed used, and call it the CWFC. Chicago World Finacial Center. :D
One of my favorite proposals in the country that didn't happen. :( While I liked the spire, it wasn't anything special except for its height (IMO). Now this proposal, this was a bummer to not have. Whatever rises, this location, with impeccable views, needs to be great and something that stands out on the national level. Yes, I'd like it to be a super tall that exceeds all. To wishful thinking :cheers:. Here Here... :cheers: http://41.media.tumblr.com/f8c537caf...fqyo1_1280.jpg Credit: http://themanonfive.com/page/125?rou...page%2F%3Apage https://www.google.com/maps/vt/data=...jpBfFq1k-NfLGK This in that location, and thats a wrap for the day. |
I hope something big (no pun intended really) rises here but I can't say I'm normally a huge fan of his work. 2WTC has grown on me but only from some angles, from others it still looks like a 400+ meter pile of garbage.
Something simple that tops 400+ meters would be awesome here, I can't imagine with such valuable real estate they wouldn't try to top Wanda Vista. :shrug: |
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Wow, to think it's been a year since we hoped that Garrett Kelleher and Atlas would pay off the initial spire debt so that the plan would be back on. If Related is being as secretive as they are on the project, they better have a design that will stun us
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What are the odds Kelleher ever tries to build again? I know hes a native and seemed to really have a passion for the spire/helping with the 2016 bid. Not saying any investors would take him on another 2000 ft project but nonetheless is he out of the game?
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2WTC is commercial office; Spire going to be residential (maybe with a hotel?). Given his other residential/mixed-use towers in Canada & Miami, it would be safer to expect something twisty for this proposal.
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I have a feeling this could be sls.
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^^^^ Waldorf Astoria was a nice design but too safe for 2015. We need something new and exciting, something that breaks the mold, like Gang and Jahn's proposals.
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Herzog + De Meuron might be the greatest architecture firm in the world. One step at a time. But I like your thinking. :cheers: Agreed on Richard Rogers too. He kicks ass. Puts BIG and their silly digram-heavy design gimmicks to shame. That being said, I still really like pretty much everything coming out of the BIG office. And anything BIG [potentially] dreams up for this site would likely be visually stunning as their work tends to be better than great. They're like the world-class version of Studio Gang. http://www.newcondosinvancouver.com/...ouverHouse.jpg newcondosinvancouver.com http://www.designboom.com/wp-content...ignboom-02.jpg designboom.com http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/...4030940427.jpg dailymail.co.uk http://static.dezeen.com/uploads/201...s-by-BIG_1.jpg http://static.dezeen.com/uploads/201...s-by-BIG_2.jpg http://static.dezeen.com/uploads/201...s-by-BIG_3.jpg dezeen.com http://cdn3.greendiary.com/wp-conten...oVg8_11446.jpg greendiary.com ...yeah, let's not forget how exceptionally good they are at designing tall buildings. :cheers: Quote:
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thanks, tom, for that visual compilation of BIG's previous and current tower work. it looks like we can expect something interesting. it may be good, it may be shit, but at the very least i don't think BIG will give us boring at this supremely high profile site.
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Chicago could have had something like this had both the Spire and Waldorf been constructed.
http://du.gensler.com/vol6/shanghai-...8.jpg?55b10f80 |
Why not just build the Spire on the site? Seriously. It was a unique design, it was huge, and it would look really cool from dozens of miles away. There was nothing wrong with the plan, just the funding. If Related has the money for it, why not just build it?
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my guess is that related does not believe that they can get a positive ROI on this particular piece of property by building a 2+ billion dollar calatrava* mega tower. they're probably right. (*) calatrava projects are notorious for going WAY over budget. another strike. |
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but seriously. the old chicago spire project is dead. dead. DEAD. DEAD. DEAD. DEAD. DEAD. DEAD. DEAD. it's not coming back. and this thread is not about the old chicago spire project anyway. it's about what comes next. (and it won't be the spire because it's still very dead, in case you haven't heard) if you want to continue discussing the very, very dead chicago spire project, you can do so here: http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=153494 |
I get that it's dead. I was just curious why something very similar to that project wouldn't be done on this site.
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Related will build something with a more tenable budget. now, enough of the spire talk. |
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Unfortunately, this doesn't work so well for the private sector. Related no doubt has an exact dollar figure on this project, and they will push BIG so that they come in at that amount and not a cent higher. That reduces BIG to the role of "form-maker", which they're not so great at. If I were King of Chicago, I would much rather have BIG design something for the Thompson Center site. They would knock it out of the park there. |
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But then again if BIG designs some pile of crap it's probably better it be shorter to not ruin beautiful Chicago. We shall see... |
Assuming that they will use the pit for their foundation....and design from there.
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some parts may need to be reworked, strengthened, adjusted, etc., but i can't see them starting over on the foundation from scratch. that would be very silly. |
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I do hope whatever is built has a spire part to it(as long as it is not just a damn stick)that would make it the tallest in Chicago. As long as the ROI is there, why not go for bragging rights as well? |
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Does anyone know the story behind the vacant piece of land directly across the street? Would be so cool to see mirror towers there. Just wondering thanks
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