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Originally Posted by ProphetM (Post 6128593)

I was thinking that the tree being removed here was the same as the one with the ladder against it, and that the 4 palms + the wall were behind the photographer.

I agree with you PM.

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Originally Posted by WS1911 (Post 6128489)

http://imageshack.us/a/img94/9081/8lampstreetlight.jpg

What an elaborate street light! Does anyone know where in Hollywood these were located?

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http://static.squarespace.com/static...g?format=1500w http://static.squarespace.com/static...g?format=1500w

Wondered the same thing. The unique lighting suggests a more upscale development, e.g., Pasadena, but that's obviously not close to the amorphous Hollywood. The text and the picture state this was new 1912-construction. Hilly background with what appears to be a small new growth fruit tree grove. Hard to identify type without leaves. (Is that an early model Whammo water wiggle on the lawn?)

Could easily fit in the Beachwood-Griffith Park area, or further east in Los Feliz - Silverlake neighborhoods. Further west, north of Hollywood Blvd (near Wattle's)? Normandy is hilly. North Hollywood? Without the hilly terrain, it could easily fit in East Hollywood's flat lands, e.g., Bronson-Wilton. But these are uneducated guesses. Look forward to someone nailing location down.

Notes for this more common looking lighting unit say "Encino." Mid-'30s? Wondering if the objects suspended from the arms serve any purpose. If not, low popularity is understandable.

http://hdl.huntington.org/utils/ajax...XT=&DMROTATE=0 http://hdl.huntington.org/utils/ajax...XT=&DMROTATE=0

http://hdl.huntington.org/utils/ajax...XT=&DMROTATE=0 http://hdl.huntington.org/utils/ajax...XT=&DMROTATE=0
http://hdl.huntington.org/utils/ajax...XT=&DMROTATE=0 http://hdl.huntington.org/utils/ajax...XT=&DMROTATE=0

Howard Motor Company used car lot, 1241 East Colorado, Pasadena. 1931. Once I get my learner's permit, time for a test drive.

http://hdl.huntington.org/utils/ajax...XT=&DMROTATE=0 http://hdl.huntington.org/utils/ajax...XT=&DMROTATE=0

http://hdl.huntington.org/utils/ajax...XT=&DMROTATE=0 http://hdl.huntington.org/utils/ajax...XT=&DMROTATE=0 http://hdl.huntington.org/utils/ajax...XT=&DMROTATE=0 http://hdl.huntington.org/utils/ajax...XT=&DMROTATE=0

More Howard, same address and date as above
http://hdl.huntington.org/utils/ajax...XT=&DMROTATE=0 http://hdl.huntington.org/utils/ajax...XT=&DMROTATE=0

http://hdl.huntington.org/utils/ajax...XT=&DMROTATE=0 http://hdl.huntington.org/utils/ajax...XT=&DMROTATE=0
http://hdl.huntington.org/utils/ajax...XT=&DMROTATE=0 http://hdl.huntington.org/utils/ajax...XT=&DMROTATE=0

http://farm2.staticflickr.com/1415/5...7283c339_b.jpg http://farm2.staticflickr.com/1415/5...7283c339_b.jpg

http://i2.ytimg.com/vi/Yl4hUHGXfIs/mqdefault.jpg http://i2.ytimg.com/vi/Yl4hUHGXfIs/mqdefault.jpg

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Originally Posted by WS1911 (Post 6128659)

B&M Cafeteria

Here are some photos from 1916 of the B&M Cafeteria located at 524-534 S. Hill Street, across from Central Park (Pershing Square). Looks like a great place to eat! I could not locate any information on this place. Hopefully someone can give a brief history of it.

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Thanks for this! I'm thrilled. I obsessed over this building for a while but never found such good photos of it. From what I found out, B&M was here 1910-1924 (before that, it was the Portsmouth Cafeteria, as the Portsmouth Hotel is next door). B&M company was formed in 1910 by P.P. Paulson (I love that name) and Glover E. Slith (who later had his own "Slith's" cafeterias - catchy, ain't it? - and bought the old Chocolate Shoppe at 731 S. Broadway in 1925[LA Times 6-21-1925], operating by that time as Petifits Confectionary) in a merger with Portsmouth Cafeteria. The Boos Brothers bought B&M's lease and equipment in May 1924 (LA Times 5-10-24) and announced they would build a new structure on the southern end of this property. They essentially cut the buiding in your photo building in half and the new Tudor-style Boos Cafeteria (530 S. Hill) went up where the southern half of the B&M building had been (opened 12-3-1924). The Boos building lasted into the 50s at least (can be seen in pix of Pershing Square parking excavation) but the remaining half of the old B&M structure was demolished by 1937 for parking. I hope I can post some pix - these would be details of larger photos from either LAPL or USC that I'd cropped and saved to my computer a long time ago. Thanks again for the wonderful images.

<http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/k...os530shill.jpg

http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/k...530shill-2.jpg

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Originally Posted by Godzilla (Post 6128705)

Howard Motor Company used car lot, 1241 East Colorado, Pasadena. 1931. Once I get my learner's permit, time for a test drive.

http://hdl.huntington.org/utils/ajax...XT=&DMROTATE=0 http://hdl.huntington.org/utils/ajax...XT=&DMROTATE=0 http://hdl.huntington.org/utils/ajax...XT=&DMROTATE=0 http://hdl.huntington.org/utils/ajax...XT=&DMROTATE=0

More Howard, same address and date as above

http://hdl.huntington.org/utils/ajax...XT=&DMROTATE=0 http://hdl.huntington.org/utils/ajax...XT=&DMROTATE=0
http://hdl.huntington.org/utils/ajax...XT=&DMROTATE=0 http://hdl.huntington.org/utils/ajax...XT=&DMROTATE=0

I am noticing a bit of similarity (due to the ornate crests) with the other Howard Motor Co. building just one block east on Colorado, which has featured in the thread before:

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-s...0/DSC00329.JPG
Me, 2011

The older building may in fact still be there - that block has 2-3 buildings whose frontage has been combined into one big ugly red storefront.

Google Maps aerial view

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Originally Posted by Noircitydame (Post 6128748)

Thanks for all the great information on the B&M Cafeteria. I now know more about that place than I ever expected. One more question: How did they get B&M from Paulson and Slith?

I'm always amazed by the knowledge of Noirish L.A. members!
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I seem to be the only one curious about where the Arcade Palm was lurking from 1914 until it appeared at the Figueroa end of Exposition Park Drive: http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=14612

Could someone direct me to the 1914 archives for the Los Angeles Examiner? It was that paper that directed the city-wide campaign to save our tree. Presumably they would have carried a story about the replanting on 5 September 1914, mentioning the location, on the following day.

Thx

Thank you ws1911 for the post on the Stith & Paulson building. Those were gorgeous photos.
What a charming place with its double, white tablecloths and shaded candles.

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Originally Posted by Godzilla (Post 6128705)

Notes for this more common looking lighting unit say "Encino." Mid-'30s? Wondering if the objects suspended from the arms serve any purpose. If not, low popularity is understandable.

http://hdl.huntington.org/utils/ajax...XT=&DMROTATE=0[URL]

Below (right) is what that Encino fixture looked like originally, with 5 globes. They evidently replaced the lamps with one high wattage one in the center, then plugged the other 4 outlets.

http://imageshack.us/a/img854/1701/5globelight.jpg

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Thanks for your great comments on that 8-globe street light in Hollywood shown below. That was a really high maintenance fixture. I'm thinking it might have been in the Prospect/Highland area since development was in near that area at the turn of the century.

http://img822.imageshack.us/img822/9...ght1912hol.jpg

All HDL images
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Bolshoi Ballet dancers at the Hotel Knickerbocker pool in 1961.
(note the Capitol Records building peeking around the corner/as well as the mysterious guy in the white speedos & captain's cap)

http://imageshack.us/a/img837/757/aa...letatknick.jpg
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...type=1&theater

the pool
http://imageshack.us/a/img844/5083/a...iknickpool.jpg
http://www.cardcow.com/269527/knicke...od-california/
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A vintage view of the Hotel Knickerbocker (Ivar Avenue) in relation to the iconic Capitol Records Building.
(looking south down Vine Street toward Hollywood Boulevard)

http://imageshack.us/a/img89/1944/aa...ibwtumblrp.jpg
http://www.tumblr.com/tagged/knickerbocker%20hotel

Here's the link for an earlier post on the Hotel Knickerbocker by rCarlton. (complete with D.W. Griffith's death in the lobby and fashion designer Irene's suicide in 1962)
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...postcount=9526

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The Traveling Hammel/Arcade Palm

Below are a few photos that I don’t think have been posted here before, along with some key ones that have been. Keep your eye on the smaller palm tree on the left.

No location is given, just “California Fan Palm” and “c. 1886.” But given the subsequent photographic evidence, this is a pre-1886 view of the Hammel Palms, perhaps with a special guest appearance by Mrs. Hammel:
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...ps7eb16cfe.jpg
CA State Library -- http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...24IANV93FA.jpg

Same three trees in relation to each other (two that appear almost as one, and a shorter one to the left), same well, same fence behind the trees:
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...ps796f39b6.jpg
USC Digital Library – http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/si...d/13965/rec/62 (reversed there, correct here)
USC caption is: "The two [sic] old palms on San Pedro Street, home of Sheriff Hummel [sic], showing old well, ca. 1885.”
[Remember, Dr. William A. Hammel came to L.A. in 1856 and died in 1889. His son, William A. Hammel, was born in 1865 and became L.A. County Sheriff in 1899.]

Let’s back up to the street and look west. Those same three trees (two that appear almost as one, and a shorter one to the left) can be seen between the middle two trees along the brick wall. The arrow points to the same brick house as in the photo above. That brick house may have been the Hammel home, or it may have belonged to the adjacent property owner, in which case the Hammels may have lived in the building on San Pedro Street (the advertising on that building in this photo is not evident in other photos):
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...ps0a5b7b00.jpg
USC Digital Library -- http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/si...d/13914/rec/11 (reversed there, correct here)
USC caption is: "The old palms of San Pedro Street under Second. Home of Sheriff Hammel, Los Angeles. c. 1886-87."

Looking east at the same trees from the other side of the brick wall. Now the same two palms that almost appear as one are on our left, and the smaller palm of the three is on our right with a ladder leaning against it. I believe this and the following four photos (three + a closeup) document the transplanting of one of the Hammel palms to Arcade Depot:
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...psa52957ce.jpg
LAPL -- http://jpg3.lapl.org/pics37/00068408.jpg
LAPL caption is: "The moving of palms on the east side of San Pedro Street, between 2nd and 3rd Street, on the old Wallace Woodworth property. A crew of men is working on the project, using a tall ladder and a horse and wagon. An orchard lies behind a wall. Photo dated: 1888." [No, it's the William Hammel property on the west side of San Pedro Street. We've been over that before.]

Looking west again. At the right edge of the photo is the same brick house we’ve seen before, then the two palms that almost appear as one, then the shorter one to the left, which is now in a crate. Look at the old guy with the beard down in the hole next to the tree. Also, note the handwritten info in the corner of the photo:
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...ps2f47067f.jpg
LAPL -- http://jpg1.lapl.org/pics26/00032697.jpg
LAPL caption is: “Planting full-grown palm trees on San Pedro Street, between 2nd and 3rd streets in 1888.” [Not planting, digging up]

They’ve almost made it to the Arcade Depot. In front of the train station is a flat-roofed building advertising lager beer and which is casting a shadow into the open area between it and the station, which the pitched roof is a part of:
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...ps3ede1896.jpg
Huntington Digital Library -- http://cdm16003.contentdm.oclc.org/c.../id/3293/rec/2

Take a closer look at the old guy with the beard standing to the right of the crate . . . is it the same man who was down in the hole next to the tree? The crate appears to be the same, too. Looks like they had fun moving the tree, huh?
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...ps6491ce66.jpg

They’re ready to plant the tree in its third home. FWIW, the handwritten info at bottom is similar to that written on the photo of the crated but not-yet-moved tree (three photos up):
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...pse0d292c5.jpg
CA State Library -- http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...FYLX1J9IQ9.jpg

Here’s the tree greeting visitors to Los Angeles in front of Southern Pacific’s Arcade Depot in a photo dated 1890:
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...pse469bca5.jpg
USC Digital Library -- http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/si...d/90588/rec/15

It’s got to be the same palm tree in all those photos . . . the smaller one on the left by the well on the Hammel property, then dug up and moved to the Arcade Depot in 1888.

After being moved from the Arcade Depot, for a number of years the tree is very hard to spot in photos. There aren’t any street-level photos readily available; only aerial views of Exposition Park and the construction of the Coliseum, which was completed in 1923. And unless the background is just right, a slender palm tree isn't all that easy to spot from far away. But I think the tree is there.

Looking east at Exposition Park, 1918. Look at the far end of the oval:
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...ps78379537.jpg
USC Digital Library -- http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/si...d/3611/rec/301

Closeup of the same photo showing Figueroa Street and 39th Street, and something in its own island on the west side of Figueroa:
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...ps3a82651e.jpg

I think you can also barely make it out here. Just to the left of the red arrow, a very thin line crosses Figueroa, topped by something darker than the empty lot to the east:
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...psad07ae83.jpg
LAPL -- http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics39/00054254.jpg

Look just to the left of the red arrow:
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...ps5b4168ac.jpg
LAPL -- http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics39/00054257.jpg

And to complete 130+ years or so of photos of the same tree:
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...ps79640945.jpg
Looking west at 39th and Figueroa, May 2011, GSV

I think I’ll contact the LA City Councilperson for the tree’s current home and see about getting a fence put around it again.

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Originally Posted by Tourmaline (Post 6128432)

Dang Sign

Might larger versions lead to an overlooked detail or two? Hard to tell what has gone unseen, especially considering the surprising number of recent treatments on similar-same subject matter, e.g., Oldest palm tree: http://www.lamag.com/citythink/cityt...dest-palm-tree LA train stations: http://www.kcet.org/updaily/socal_fo...s-angeles.html)

There was a time before any sign. Still, to my tired eyes, the information contained on "the" sign was minimal. Something akin to: "Mayor Tom Bradley Welcomes You to LA!" "Mayor Fred Eaton says obey all laws and don't touch the Palm." "Ask for John Weiland's Lager Beer. Tell 'em Mayor Meredith 'Pinky' Snyder sent you." "Visit Angel's flight and Go Elks." "Pop: 1 Palm, Palm Elev. 78'." :uhh:

I'm guessing it says:

"The white zone is for immediate loading and unloading of passengers only. There is no stopping in the red zone." :D

:previous: lol. good one JScott. :)
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bowels obstructed? try......

http://imageshack.us/a/img818/5289/aaadlaxadine.jpg
ebay

below: looks as if the Laxadine Laboratories were 'located' at a P.O. Box in the Arcade Building. (?)

http://imageshack.us/a/img37/6289/aa...rcadebuild.jpg
reverse/ebay

If Laxadine doesn't work...try California lemons in water.

http://imageshack.us/a/img811/2770/aaadlaxalemon1a.jpg
ebay

http://imageshack.us/a/img211/4418/aaadlaxalemon1.jpg
ebay
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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 6130084)

bowels obstructed?

If Laxadine doesn't work...try California lemons in water.

http://imageshack.us/a/img811/2770/aaadlaxalemon1a.jpg
ebay

http://imageshack.us/a/img211/4418/aaadlaxalemon1.jpg
ebay
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Ten days is a long time to wait when you require laxative aid . . . .

I love this photograph very much.

originally posted by flyingwedge
http://imageshack.us/a/img4/5646/aab...readytobep.jpg
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=14633

Is that a gas holder/gasometer in the distance?
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...I just located this.

Identical photograph(?), but where's the gasometer in this one?

http://imageshack.us/a/img266/2116/a...palmsopaci.jpg
old cd of mine
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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 6130112)

I love this photograph very much.

originally posted by flyingwedge
http://imageshack.us/a/img4/5646/aab...readytobep.jpg
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=14633

Is that a gas holder/gasometer in the distance?
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...just located this.

Identical photograph(?) Where's the gasometer in this one?

http://imageshack.us/a/img266/2116/a...palmsopaci.jpg
old cd of mine
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Could that part of the identical photograph be washed out? The 1888 Sanborn Map confirms there was a gasometer @ 7th and Alameda, which seems to align with the gasometer in the photograph:
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...ps348b73f0.jpg
1888 Sanborn @ LAPL

You made a believer out of me with the first two pix below FW. That was my question a view posts ago, What was on the site of the future Coliseum in 1914? Was it a match with the old racetrack? What made the spot so special back then? Without a photo prior to 1921, one couldn't be sure if the big oval was the racetrack or an early design element for the Coliseum.You even solved the mystery of why the tree was on its own island back then. Brilliant work! Really impressive.

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Originally Posted by Flyingwedge (Post 6130030)

Looking east at Exposition Park, 1918. Look at the far end of the oval:
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...ps78379537.jpg
USC Digital Library -- http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/si...d/3611/rec/301

Closeup of the same photo showing Figueroa Street and 39th Street, and something in its own island on the west side of Figueroa:
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...ps3a82651e.jpg

The new pix of the Arcade Palm are incredible! The first finally gave me a sense of scale for that well. It's much bigger than I had imagined. The second, showing the method for placing and lowering the tree, is even more astounding, not so different from building the pyramids or Stonehenge (only down, not up). I cannot thank you enough.

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Originally Posted by Flyingwedge (Post 6130030)

No location is given, just “California Fan Palm” and “c. 1886.” But given the subsequent photographic evidence, this is a pre-1886 view of the Hammel Palms, perhaps with a special guest appearance by Mrs. Hammel:
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...ps7eb16cfe.jpg
CA State Library -- http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...24IANV93FA.jpg

They’re ready to plant the tree in its third home. FWIW, the handwritten info at bottom is similar to that written on the photo of the crated but not yet moved tree (three photos up):
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...pse0d292c5.jpg
CA State Library -- http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...FYLX1J9IQ9.jpg

Thank you for being so incredibly dogged with this. It would be nice to have a news account and pix of the third replanting at Exposition Park and the monument unveiling, but, thanks to your sterling work, I can live without it.

It's so random that a friend's question about River Station led me to Nathan Masters' recent post about the old stations which contained that photo that e_r posted long ago with the jaw-dropping news-to-me (apparently e_r knew) caption about the tree ending up at Exposition Park. The other recent articles about the tree shook out of Google with no problem after that. You, however, have taken the subject well beyond anything else that's been written.

I hope our tree doesn't become so famous that people start carving their initials in it or worse. Anonymity has served it well.

Thanks for the information Flyingwedge.
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Flyingwedge wrote:
http://imageshack.us/a/img194/5472/a...egasometer.jpg
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Washingtonia filifera

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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 6130112)

This tree appears to be a California Fan Palm. Their generic name is in honor of President Washington. They are native to Southern California and a small part of Baja California, Mexico....fossils of them are found to be 70 million years old. They flower in the Spring and are usually but not always, separately male and female trees. To determine the sex, you have to see the flowers up close when they're in bloom. I haven't done that yet. ;)

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