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Godzilla Mar 22, 2015 6:02 AM

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A closer look at Florence and Hoover, circa July '32? :previous:


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For those wanting a break from Rabbit, try J&R Barbecue. It only tastes like varmint.

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Today's specials.
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Godzilla Mar 22, 2015 6:38 AM

In April '32, Fletcher Drive looked almost as rural as Hoover Street and Florence Ave.


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Ranons Ave
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Finger Waving or Waxing????
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Oh Boy, if only we could have a strip mall?
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Not that anyone should care, but if asked, I prefer my Langendorf's unsliced.
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The Depression hasn't prevented someone from maintaining the shrubs.
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CityBoyDoug Mar 22, 2015 6:58 AM

Strange things on Norish
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by GaylordWilshire (Post 6960062)
CBD-- Interesting that this same picture with your family car etc was on ebay a few years ago (or at least that ER posted it here then)--

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=13054

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=13057


PS Hello unihikid, HossC, Michael Ryerson & all--

Hello Gaylord Wilshire !:
Yes, I am aware of that. You never know when a person you know will be discovered in some random photo. My mom was pregnant with my sister at the time of that photo.

That year my parents rented a furnished house for $100 a month to await the birth of my sister. It was a new post-war house. All of the door nobs and drawer pulls were plastic due to war-time shortages of metal.

He traded in that Buick for a '49 Mercury and then traded that for a '50 model Mercury. He said he got rid of the Buick because too many cops stopped him "to admire the car".

I discovered my aunt in a photo here on Norish. She and her friend were walking outside of a restaurant at the corner of Hollywood and Vine. Its a really a small world.

Last year I found a 1916 photo of my family on ebay. How that person got that photo of my grandfather and grandmother, their children and relatives, I have no idea but they had it. I bought it as I had not seen it before.

Godzilla Mar 22, 2015 7:22 AM



Another compressed glimpse of one long Boulevard, Wilshire, circa '30

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Was this a driving range, or just an orderly set of billboards?
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"Fore!" ??
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1930 - Fascinating skyline. Frozen in time.
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HossC Mar 22, 2015 10:40 AM

When I first saw this picture, I queried the location as Ranons Avenue doesn't intersect with Fletcher Drive. However, I think I've found the section of Fletcher Drive in the 1932 photograph, so this part of Ranons Avenue must have been renamed Weldon Avenue at some point.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...cherWeldon.jpg
GSV

It's finger waving. From Wikipedia:

A finger wave is a method of setting hair into waves (curls) that was popular in the 1920s and 1930s and in the late 1990s in North America and Europe. The process involves pinching the hair between the fingers and combing the hair in alternating directions to make a wave shape. A lotion was applied to the hair to help it retain its shape. According to "Techniques of the 1920s and 1930s":
Finger waves were developed in the 1920s to add style to, and soften the hard appearance of, the bobbed hairstyles that became very popular during the flapper period.

Many Hollywood movie stars wore the latest finger waves which contributed to the popularity and evolution of this style.

I found four beauty salons in the 1932 CD that offered finger waving in their listings, but none fit the address of the one shown here.

HossC Mar 22, 2015 12:44 PM

:previous:

When I took another look at the image below, I realized that it was taken from nearly the same point as the image above, but looking to the left. When I zoomed in on the lamppost, I found there was a street sign for Weldon Avenue there in 1932. Maybe the intersection with Fletcher Drive has been slightly realigned, and this part of Ranons Avenue became Roderick Road.

It looks like the two houses in the picture above are still there.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...erRoderick.jpg
Google Maps

So are you saying that Langendorf's sliced bread is the best thing since Langendorf's unsliced bread? :)

I carried on looking down this section of Fletcher Drive, and I think this might be the building with the Langendorf's advert on the side. I found a build date of 1929. The most likely candidate for the house on the left of the picture above is 3562 Fletcher Drive, which was built in 1923. It last sold for $17,500 in 1984, and now seems to be valued at over $420,000.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...tcherStore.jpg
GSV

GaylordWilshire Mar 22, 2015 1:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CityBoyDoug (Post 6960166)
Hello Gaylord Wilshire !:
Yes, I am aware of that. You never know when a person you know will be discovered in some random photo. My mom was pregnant with my sister at the time of that photo.

That year my parents rented a furnished house for $100 a month to await the birth of my sister. It was a new post-war house. All of the door nobs and drawer pulls were plastic due to war-time shortages of metal.

He traded in that Buick for a '49 Mercury and then traded that for a '50 model Mercury. He said he got rid of the Buick because too many cops stopped him "to admire the car".

I discovered my aunt in a photo here on Norish. She and her friend were walking outside of a restaurant at the corner of Hollywood and Vine. Its a really a small world.

Last year I found a 1916 photo of my family on ebay. How that person got that photo of my grandfather and grandmother, their children and relatives, I have no idea but they had it. I bought it as I had not seen it before.

That is amazing, CBD--I can't imagine what the odds are of anyone coming across their family in random online photos taken in a city of millions decades later in even one picture--the odds must be astronomical--but in three? Wow.

GaylordWilshire Mar 22, 2015 1:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Godzilla (Post 6960171)
Another compressed glimpse of one long Boulevard, Wilshire, circa '30

Was this a driving range, or just an orderly set of billboards?
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Not one, but three Wilshire Boulevard houses are seen together in this shot, one still standing--the famous Higgins-Verbeck moved from 2619 to 637 S Lucerne, where it remains (the one with the turret near top center); the Jenkins/Getty house (no longer) at 641 S Irving, more popularly known as Norma Desmond's 10086 Sunset Boulevard--seen just to the right of the Higgins-Verbeck in front of the Los Altos; and, just below that, perhaps the strangest of all, the stark white Colonial of the "Richest Indian in the World," Jackson Barnett, at 644 S Rossmore.

HossC Mar 22, 2015 4:10 PM

"Original Slide - Los Angeles LATL 3008 PCC Trolley at S. Vermont & 7th Jan 1958."
Get an immediate improvement with Richfield Boron!

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eBay

I'm struggling to see much that survives from the picture above.

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GSV

Godzilla Mar 22, 2015 4:11 PM

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Originally Posted by HossC (Post 6960222)
:previous:

When I took another look at the image below, I realized that it was taken from nearly the same point as the image above, but looking to the left. When I zoomed in on the lamppost, I found there was a street sign for Weldon Avenue there in 1932. Maybe the intersection with Fletcher Drive has been slightly realigned, and this part of Ranons Avenue became Roderick Road.



It looks like the two houses in the picture above are still there.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...erRoderick.jpg
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So are you saying that Langendorf's sliced bread is the best thing since Langendorf's unsliced bread? :)

I carried on looking down this section of Fletcher Drive, and I think this might be the building with the Langendorf's advert on the side. I found a build date of 1929. The most likely candidate for the house on the left of the picture above is 3562 Fletcher Drive, which was built in 1923. It last sold for $17,500 in 1984, and now seems to be valued at over $420,000.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...tcherStore.jpg
GSV


Thank you HossC for your welcome follow ups. I think it a fair bet that if one were to enter the still extant building today and ask for Langedorf's bread, one might received a different type of finger waving.


Cosmetology has hopefully progressed since the 1930's. The practice of finger waving while fry'n and eat'n rabbit should be strongly discouraged.:rolleyes:

Langendorf's California history is long.
1948 Billboard
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1963 Langendorf Delivery Trucks - in Los Angeles (per source)
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1960 - Commerce, CA. Down there on Gage Ave. lies the Langendorf facility.
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1998 - THe Langendorf facility (on Gage Ave.)
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Godzilla Mar 22, 2015 4:43 PM

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Originally Posted by GaylordWilshire (Post 6960238)
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Not one, but three Wilshire Boulevard houses are seen together in this shot, one still standing--the famous Higgins-Verbeck moved from 2619 to 637 S Lucerne, where it remains (the one with the turret near top center); the Jenkins/Getty house (no longer) at 641 S Irving, more popularly known as Norma Desmond's 10086 Sunset Boulevard--seen just to the right of the Higgins-Verbeck in front of the Los Altos; and, just below that, perhaps the strangest of all, the stark white Colonial of the "Richest Indian in the World," Jackson Barnett, at 644 S Rossmore.


Thanks for the follow up. There is a lot going on in that image, including traffic that seems to be fluid without the impediment of traffic devices (or accidents) at every intersection. Some three years prior to the introduction of Kong, the E.Clem Wilson scaffolding looks like a mighty attractive invite for any big ape to test his skills against So Cal's newest monoplanes. The Richfield Tower, is noticeable, but hardly dominates. Hard to imagine a time when virtually every multi-story structure had an unencumbered view. :cool:



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Hollywood Graham Mar 22, 2015 5:22 PM

Florence and Hoover Call Box
 
Godzilla I have one of those Call Box pedestals next to the Acme at Florence and Hoover. They were not very common in L.A., the only other one I have seen a picture of was at 1st and Spring 1920's. Mine has had the lettering ground off and am looking for one that has not been ground off to see what it said on the door. I was hoping this photo would divulge it but alas no. Thanks for posting it.

Tourmaline Mar 22, 2015 6:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Hollywood Graham (Post 6960398)
Godzilla I have one of those Call Box pedestals next to the Acme at Florence and Hoover. They were not very common in L.A., the only other one I have seen a picture of was at 1st and Spring 1920's. Mine has had the lettering ground off and am looking for one that has not been ground off to see what it said on the door. I was hoping this photo would divulge it but alas no. Thanks for posting it.


Is that a separate stand-alone call box or a signal box or a combination of the two? :shrug: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVBi7_UsbWM (~4'10)

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1963
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Number of lights on the semaphore signals?. Some of them have the large red and green while other have the two red and green plus a small amber toward the bottom. Is the amber an afterthought or just not needed depending upon existing traffic congestion?

Red, green and yellow example.
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Obvious repeat posts.

Undated, Grand and Wilshire (Provision for amber light at signal bottom)
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1941 - Alvarado and Temple. Upon the advice of MR, signals receive blackout treatment. Notice the amber light.
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1945 - Seventh and Broadway. Morning of VJ Day Aug 14, 1945
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1947 - Sixth and Flower
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1950 - Fifth and Grand
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Unknown location (Should I stay or should I go?)
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Martin Pal Mar 22, 2015 7:41 PM

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1945 - Seventh and Broadway. Morning of VJ Day Aug 14, 1945
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Because of the lighting in the photograph, the man on the corner (lower right) facing left (head near street sign) looks like his derriere is in public view. :)

tovangar2 Mar 22, 2015 9:23 PM

Thank you for the photo. I don't recall seeing it before, but I'll enjoy it for a long time now. So much to look at :-)

GaylordWilshire Mar 22, 2015 9:52 PM

:previous:

A prior posting of the shot, with a little more info--

http://www.skyscraperpage.com/forum/...ostcount=19278

ethereal_reality Mar 23, 2015 12:42 AM

...and this, with interesting commentary by HossC and Beaudry.

HossC had written:
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Originally Posted by Beaudry (Post 6432237)
:previous: I thought the same thing when I saw the pic, and now that I really study it, I'm sure you're absolutely correct. You would have to have one at Go and the other at Stop: you can only make the right turn from "Upper Fifth" (where Hope loops around the Engstrum atop the retaining wall) and because of the jog in the street between you and the continuance of Fifth -- with the Biltmore Garage staring you in the face -- there's no way you could make the turn in the path of all the oncoming traffic. And that's four lanes of one-way traffic coming at you westbound on Fifth (it was made a one-way in Oct '47).

I think what they were trying to say is, look, here's a guy who's pulled his fastback too far into the intersection and he's going to look at the semaphore across the street for his direction? The title of the article should be Don't Pull Too Far Into the Intersection.

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Aerial view of the area -- note the retaining wall under construction, which dates the picture to the Spring of 1930.

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More images of said retaining wall here and here ...I did a little more digging into the retaining wall (so to speak) and discovered that it was designed by none other than the great Carleton Monroe Winslow, who, although Goodhue is generally known as the architect of the Central Library, Winslow had a mighty hand in its completion. As such, Winslow purposely conceived the wall's severe pilasters, arches and clean Egypto-Deco lines to complement the library across the street. I always thought it was a particularly effective and handsome structure; more's the pity it lasted just until the time -- early 1980s -- it could become appreciated.

One bit of it survives, of course -- I suppose most people think it's part of the Edison Bldg and thus was drafted by the hands of Allison & Allison. Ha!

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ethereal_reality Mar 23, 2015 12:51 AM

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Originally Posted by GaylordWilshire (Post 6959410)
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I've been working on another house-history site to go along with those on Berkeley Square, Wilshire Boulevard, and St. James Park--this one, on Fremont Place. There are now 19 in the "inventory," more to come: fremontplace.blogspot.com

Facebook page HERE

Welcome back GW! I look forward to going through your Fremont Place blog.
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On the previous page (#1355) there are several photographs by Godzilla (re: Sanders photos) and a bunch by Tourmaline (re: Anna Mae Wong) that are not showing up.
Is anyone else having trouble seeing them? -or is it just my computer?

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GaylordWilshire Mar 23, 2015 1:04 AM

:previous:

Thanks, ER-- as for Anna May Wong, those shots aren't showing up on my computer either--

Hollywood Graham Mar 23, 2015 1:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Martin Pal (Post 6960516)
Because of the lighting in the photograph, the man on the corner (lower right) facing left (head near street sign) looks like his derriere is in public view. :)

The pedestal call box at Florence and Hoover is a single door police box. You needed a key to access it, it was not for the public. As you see on the one I have the door words were ground off so they could repurpose the box.
The blue Cannon Electric box you posted a photo of was primarily used in the Eagle Rock area. It is aluminum and was painted blue at one time, silver another, depending what paint was on the truck.
Acme Semaphore signals had one red, one green light. The yellow light was flashing at night after the signals were shut down (mot much traffic then so the stopped operating and went into a caution mode. Some did have a Blvd. Stop Sigh with a flashing red light late at night. There were no other lights on an Acme. Acme did make a conventional tri-light after semaphore fell out of favor. http://http://s597.photobucket.com/u...rdpi7.jpg.html

ethereal_reality Mar 23, 2015 2:16 AM

below: I found this postcard on ebay about a month ago. (perhaps we've seen it before, but I couldn't locate any previous posts)

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eBay

Laura (at pinterest) wrote this:
"A much older Victorian house was moved to build the Durand residence in 1905.' -interesting. I wonder what that house looked like?

about the Durand House: "50 rooms, razed in 1962, three remaining acres of the site are now Arlington Gardens."
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ethereal_reality Mar 23, 2015 2:29 AM

"Dancers at the opening of the Sepulveda Pass Tunnel (1930)."

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https://www.pinterest.com

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tovangar2 Mar 23, 2015 2:49 AM

:previous:
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gsv


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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 6960845)
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On the previous page (#1355) there are several photographs by Godzilla (re: Sanders photos) and a bunch by Tourmaline (re: Anna Mae Wong) that are not showing up.
Is anyone else having trouble seeing them? -or is it just my computer?

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They are all clear on my end. I'm sorry they are not coming through for you b/c they're really nice posts. Thx Godzilla and Tourmaline :-)

ethereal_reality Mar 23, 2015 3:13 AM

:previous: Thanks for the current view of the Sepulveda Tunnel t2.
It's always fun to compare. I see that most of the 'details' are intact'. I wonder what the design with the twin spirals represents? (it makes me think of a stylized 'art deco' Ram)

ethereal_reality Mar 23, 2015 3:21 AM

I don't remember seeing this establishment on NLA.

"Macayo Restaurant, Wilshire Boulevard at 22nd Street, Santa Monica."

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eBay



below: Photograph of patrons at 'Macayo'. (1950s?) -there are almost as many ashtrays as people ;).

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...540/6mPpx4.jpg
eBay


Collage on the back of the folder. (very interesting!)
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eBay

:previous: Does anyone recognize any of these fine folks?"

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Flyingwedge Mar 23, 2015 4:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 6960988)

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/907/9q7XiH.jpg
eBay

:previous: Does anyone recognize any of these fine folks?"

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To the right of "Fiesta Nights" is Bob Hope. Just to the right of Bob is one of several photos of Desi Arnaz; I can't tell if that's Lucille Ball next to him, but she's in the photo just to the
right of the lower left corner.

To the right of "Join the Celebrities" is I believe a young Fernando Lamas. Below and to the right from him are Robert Taylor and Barbara Stanwyck, perhaps flanking the owner,
who appears in several of these shots. I think Van Heflin is right under Robert Taylor. Carmen Miranda is there, too, just to the right of center, one row up from the bottom.

# # #

I also noticed photos missing from the two posts you mentioned, but now after each post was edited I can see the photos.

However, three photos hotlinked to this post have also gone missing ("one of the attractive servers," "garden," and "flower shop"): http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=27090

tovangar2 Mar 23, 2015 7:35 AM

Durand Durand
 
...and Xavier Cugat on the right. :previous:



Thx e_r for the PC of the 50-room home of Chicagoan John Durand, built from 1902-1905 of the finest materials, including red sandstone from Flagstaff. It's one of Frederick Roehrig's. He also designed the Rindge home in the West Adams district, the Neff/McNally estate in La Mirada, the Grace home (& water tower) and Hotel Green/Castle Green in Pasadena, all discussed here, plus many others including several others on Pasadena's Millionaires Row. After John Durand III died in 1960, the contents were sold and the home cleared in favor of the 710 freeway, which was thwarted. After 40 years as a vacant lot, three acres of the original ten became Arlington Gardens at Arlington Drive and S Pasadena Ave. The passive park includes a nice planting of Cherokee roses to echo the famous hedge which stretched the length of the Durand's Arlington Drive property line:

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-W...10835%2BAM.jpg
amazon

The house is rather reminiscent, I think, of John Parkinson's smaller, 35-room Susana Machado Bernard Residence, of the same 'fantasy baronial' era, if you recall that one:
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-m...909%2520PM.jpg
ryerson and burnham archives/art institute of chicago

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-M...74236%2BAM.jpg
ebay via e_r

And here's the same image, now only identified as "Palatial":
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-y...6%252520AM.jpg
islandora

sopas ej Mar 23, 2015 4:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tovangar2 (Post 6961125)

"Remodeling would do wonders. Take off some of that gingerbread and redecorate the inside..."
--Mildred Pierce

Godzilla Mar 23, 2015 4:24 PM

Original Ivar House post http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=27090 was suffering from evaporating images. But in attempting to resolve one problem, which appears to be afflicting posts by others using the same server, I discovered an exterior image, which may lead to others.

Different sources offer different dates. Cal State Lib suggests 1920s while LAPL has two of the post cards at late '40s.. It appears that the structure started out as a rectory. The 1915CD lists the 1737 Ivar address as the rectory occupied by Rev. J Arthur Evans, St. Stephens Episcopal Church (6354 Hollywood Blvd is an affiliated address, but Church is now located at 6129 Carlos Street.). The 1960 listing for the 1737 address suggests occupancy by realty business. More on St. Stephen's interesting history here: http://ststephenshollywood.org/becoming-st-stephens/


http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...UG1SQNPPSA.jpghttp://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...UG1SQNPPSA.jpg

http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...9A4GCSMXX5.jpghttp://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...9A4GCSMXX5.jpg



http://41.media.tumblr.com/f7515cfa6...tj1o1_1280.jpghttp://41.media.tumblr.com/f7515cfa6...tj1o1_1280.jpg



St Stephens Episcopal Church, Hollywood, undated.http://ststephenshollywood.org/becoming-st-stephens/
http://ststephenshollywood.org/wp-co...4/09/004-2.jpghttp://ststephenshollywood.org/wp-co...4/09/004-2.jpg

Martin Pal Mar 23, 2015 5:28 PM

FYI: The matchbook was also dated c. 1940's.

tovangar2 Mar 23, 2015 5:33 PM

calling Ivar House
 
:previous:

Interesting that the charming Ivar House was on the GRanite exchange. I would have thought it would have had a HOllywood number.

Ivar was named, of course, for Danish developer Ivar Weid. Selma Avenue was named for his younger daughter.

Quote:

Originally Posted by sopas ej (Post 6961431)
"Remodeling would do wonders. Take off some of that gingerbread and redecorate the inside..."
--Mildred Pierce

Lol, Mildred would have had her work cut out for her when it comes to the Durand house. In its day, it was the largest home in the Southwest.

Martin Pal Mar 23, 2015 5:51 PM

Has anyone heard of the Club Cercle?

Why it's on La Cienega, just south of Wilshire...


GaylordWilshire Mar 23, 2015 6:01 PM

Also by Roehrig at about the same time--

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-6...027%2520PM.jpgLAPL


We've seen the Rindge house (still) at 2263 S Harvard Blvd on NLA several times before. Among others:

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...postcount=1932


Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 6960923)
below: I found this postcard on ebay about a month ago. (perhaps we've seen it before, but I couldn't locate any previous posts)

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...537/qDPWeX.jpg
eBay

Laura (at pinterest) wrote this:
"A much older Victorian house was moved to build the Durand residence in 1905.' -interesting. I wonder what that house looked like?

about the Durand House: "50 rooms, razed in 1962, three remaining acres of the site are now Arlington Gardens."
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PS
And not long before, Roehrig designed this version in wood and stone for Isaac Van Nuys at 1445 West Sixth Street...later moved to its current location at Lorraine and Fourth in Windsor Square. (I find it hard to believe that we haven't commented on it on NLA before, but of course the search feature doesn't mean we haven't. Anyway...)
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-6...sSIXTHMAIN.jpghttp://waterandpower.org/
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-x...558%2520PM.jpgGSV Dec 2014


Edit-- more here in HossC's prior post
20855.

Martin Pal Mar 23, 2015 6:28 PM

I don't believe this color photo has been posted here previously:

http://www.rense.com/1.imagesH/hollyvd.jpgRense

This is Hollywood Blvd. looking east. The tree on the right is in front of the Hollywood Hotel. Two Pacific Electric red cars are featured, one on
the cross street at Highland Ave. We can see the Bank of America building on the corner. Next door is Coffee Dan's, with it's great neon sign,
the flashing arrow blade sign part of it is lit at the top, and the Hollywood movie theater is visible. In the background is the Hotel Drake, formerly
the Hotel Christie. Date listed is 1950's.

Godzilla Mar 23, 2015 7:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hollywood Graham (Post 6960864)
http://s597.photobucket.com/user/cal...rdpi7.jpg.html
The pedestal call box at Florence and Hoover is a single door police box. You needed a key to access it, it was not for the public. As you see on the one I have the door words were ground off so they could repurpose the box.
The blue Cannon Electric box you posted a photo of was primarily used in the Eagle Rock area. It is aluminum and was painted blue at one time, silver another, depending what paint was on the truck.
Acme Semaphore signals had one red, one green light. The yellow light was flashing at night after the signals were shut down (mot much traffic then so the stopped operating and went into a caution mode. Some did have a Blvd. Stop Sigh with a flashing red light late at night. There were no other lights on an Acme. Acme did make a conventional tri-light after semaphore fell out of favor. http://http://s597.photobucket.com/u...rdpi7.jpg.html


Interesting. In revisiting some of my missing posts, including one I posted on yellow on blue signage http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=24558, I also noticed your prior post with part of an impressive "street" related collection, including many examples of call/signal boxes. Bravo! http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=24560

I vaguely recall watching what may have been a rehab of an old E. Hollywood home, the address of which has been long forgotten. Workers were removing all kinds of remnants, including striped posts. In retrospect, I am guessing they may have been once intended/used to support street signs pictured so many times on NLA.


http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...sJDonahue1.jpghttp://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...sJDonahue1.jpg http://skyscraperpage.com/forum/show...ostcount=21733


I alluded to this previously, but the more I think of it, this was where I may have seen one or two porcelain / enameled street signs with yellow lettering (rather than white) on a dark blue field. I mentioned this to someone who has long since passed and he said he remembered the colored signs, because they reminded him of the UMichigan colors (darker than UCLA's). Still, I can't seem to locate any photographic evidence of their existence. In my mind's eye the signs were too solid to have been props and they bore local LA Street names. Do you or anyone else recall (or have examples of) blue shotgun-style street signs bearing yellow (not off-white) lettering?






https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/i...zk7biL2pXP-PDLhttps://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/i...zk7biL2pXP-PDL

http://www.kta.com/assets/images/cawater.jpghttp://www.kta.com/assets/images/cawater.jpg

ethereal_reality Mar 23, 2015 8:05 PM

The intersection of N. Figueroa and York Boulevard on February 15, 1948.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...537/0BvzF5.jpg
https://www.flickr.com/photos/30993133@N04/


Here is the intersection in 2014.
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...540/ruRTxy.jpg
GSV

The Renaissance Revival 'Arroyo Seco Bank Building' was design by the firm Austin & Ashley in 1926.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...538/SRXnlM.jpg
GSV

Near the back there is a side entrance (circled) with Arroyo Seco Bank Building engraved above the doorway.

close-up
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800...661/AJ0AYi.jpg


There is also a side entrance on the York Blvd. with the same engraving.(below)

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...633/GbSQOJ.jpg
GSV

I couldn't find "Arroyo Seco Bank Building" anywhere on the front of the building.

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Godzilla Mar 23, 2015 8:35 PM

Rabbits were recently mentioned here: http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=27102 I have since noticed additional disturbing rabbit imagery that appears to be associated with LA or near LA. One of the previous images mentions San Fernando although most sources point to Antelope Valley pre-1900s.

Circa 1900 - "Early day rabbit drive in Antelope Valley-(Before)."
http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...ive&DMROTATE=0http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...ive&DMROTATE=0
http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...ive&DMROTATE=0http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...ive&DMROTATE=0http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/si...id/11050/rec/3





Rabbit drive
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http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...XT=&DMROTATE=0http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...XT=&DMROTATE=0http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/si...id/11046/rec/5




Quote:

A California rabbit drive.
From C.C.Pierce
1886
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http://hdl.huntington.org/utils/ajax...XT=&DMROTATE=0http://hdl.huntington.org/utils/ajax...XT=&DMROTATE=0http://hdl.huntington.org/cdm/single...id/7596/rec/15



Rabbit drive
http://hdl.huntington.org/utils/ajax...XT=&DMROTATE=0


http://hdl.huntington.org/utils/ajax...XT=&DMROTATE=0http://hdl.huntington.org/utils/ajax...XT=&DMROTATE=0
http://hdl.huntington.org/utils/ajax...XT=&DMROTATE=0http://hdl.huntington.org/utils/ajax...XT=&DMROTATE=0http://hdl.huntington.org/cdm/single...id/7595/rec/14


http://hdl.huntington.org/utils/ajax...XT=&DMROTATE=0http://hdl.huntington.org/utils/ajax...XT=&DMROTATE=0
http://hdl.huntington.org/utils/ajax...XT=&DMROTATE=0http://hdl.huntington.org/utils/ajax...XT=&DMROTATE=0





Is it any wonder?
http://i611.photobucket.com/albums/t...motorcycle.jpghttp://i611.photobucket.com/albums/t...motorcycle.jpg

http://s01.tcuniverse.com/vkmedia_st..._clean_790.jpghttp://s01.tcuniverse.com/vkmedia_st..._clean_790.jpg

MichaelRyerson Mar 23, 2015 8:39 PM

Red light, green light...
 
https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8106/...697ac6bc_o.pngIntersection West Temple Street and North Broadway, Los Angeles, CA, 1932

Interesting series by Dick Whittington concentrating on just the one intersection, here looking east on Temple Street with the Hall of Justice on the left and the County Courthouse on the right just beyond the Owl Drug store. The Acme semaphore sitting over here on the right curb is interesting in it's placement with it and the corresponding painted auto limit line both well short of the intersection allowing for the turning radius of the streetcar tracks. The fact that the Acme is showing neither the 'stop' nor the 'go' arm means either Whittington hit the shutter at exactly the moment they were both folded into the light body or the exposure was taken early enough in the morning (probably by 7 am) before the semaphores were again operating for the day, being turned off around 9 pm when the 'red' and 'green' lights would suffice until being turned off themselves around midnight (or 1 am) when the little light seen at the base of the light body would then be turned on as a flasher. At intersections where both intersecting streets were relatively major roadways the little light would flash red indicating a boulevard stop for all cars. In the case of an Acme controlled intersection of a major roadway being crossed by a secondary road the little button light would show red for the smaller street and simply yellow/amber (or slow-down caution) for the bigger roadway. The Bank of Italy/International Bank Building stands out down the street with the squat old post office just to its left.

USC digital archive/Dick Whittington Photography Collection, 1924-1987

HossC Mar 23, 2015 8:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martin Pal (Post 6961624)
I don't believe this color photo has been posted here previously:

http://www.rense.com/1.imagesH/hollyvd.jpgRense

This is Hollywood Blvd. looking east. The tree on the right is in front of the Hollywood Hotel. Two Pacific Electric red cars are featured, one on
the cross street at Highland Ave. We can see the Bank of America building on the corner. Next door is Coffee Dan's, with it's great neon sign,
the flashing arrow blade sign part of it is lit at the top, and the Hollywood movie theater is visible. In the background is the Hotel Drake, formerly
the Hotel Christie. Date listed is 1950's.

Here's a slightly later view from the opposite direction that I don't think we've seen before. The source dates it at 1959.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...9.jpg~original
gorillasdontblog.blogspot.com

tovangar2 Mar 23, 2015 8:53 PM

A.C. Martin, Sr
 
A.C. Martin, Sr (1879-1960) is known for his monumental civic and commercial buildings. He also took residential commissions.

Recent reports of the destruction of the charmingly-asymmetrical, 1914 Oswald Bartlett house in Los Feliz referred to it as only one of two (or a "few", in one report) A. C. Martin residences left.

Info on the doomed fight for the Bartlett here, here and here.

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-e...12946%2BPM.jpg
https://www.flickr.com/photos/michael_locke/6304305987/

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-D...22444%2BPM.jpg
gsv

CBS Los Angeles gives the name of the other A.C. Martin residential design as the 1914 Ganahl House, 232 St Andrews Place South. I am so glad I found it. It's stunning. A Prairie-style exterior gives way to a Craftsman interior, complete with a floor-to-ceiling Batchelder-tile fireplace in the main room. A great small (3bd/2ba) house. Check out that tiara-like chimney. Redfin published 18 MLS photos (including historic shots). Here's a few. The rest at Redfin :

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-h...12034%2BPM.jpg
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-s...11442%2BPM.jpg
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-h...11707%2BPM.jpg
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-b...11903%2BPM.jpg
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-X...13431%2BPM.jpg
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-T...13631%2BPM.jpg



Thx to MichaelRyerson for the nice, misty 1932 photo of Temple and Broadway (see below). The civic buildings, left to right: the Hall of Justice, the old Federal Building/P.O., the Bank of Italy building (housing the City Health Dept) and the old Courthouse with its three towers (the clocktower and two much smaller ones) removed and capped off (although rather obscured in this view). The Courthouse may have looked like it was built for the ages, but it was really kinda fragile.

Tourmaline Mar 23, 2015 8:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MichaelRyerson (Post 6961782)
https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8106/...697ac6bc_o.pngIntersection West Temple Street and North Broadway, Los Angeles, CA, 1932

Interesting series by Dick Whittington concentrating on just the one intersection, here looking east on Temple Street with the Hall of Justice on the left and the County Courthouse on the right just beyond the Owl Drug store. The Acme semaphore sitting over here on the right curb is interesting in it's placement with it and the corresponding painted auto limit line both well short of the intersection allowing for the turning radius of the streetcar tracks. The fact that the Acme is showing neither the 'stop' nor the 'go' arm means either Whittington hit the shutter at exactly the moment they were both folded into the light body or the exposure was taken early enough in the morning (probably by 7 am) before the semaphores were again operating for the day, being turned off around 9 pm when the 'red' and 'green' lights would suffice until being turned off themselves around midnight (or 1 am) when the little light seen at the base of the light body would then be turned on as a flasher. At intersections where both intersecting streets were relatively major roadways the little light would flash red indicating a boulevard stop for all cars. In the case of an Acme controlled intersection of a major roadway being crossed by a secondary road the little button light would show red for the smaller street and simply yellow/amber (or slow-down caution) for the bigger roadway. The Bank of Italy/International Bank Building stands out down the street with the squat old post office just to its left.

USC digital archive/Dick Whittington Photography Collection, 1924-1987




Banner business for alignment shops?

Recent posts have drawn my attention to those cast iron "safety bumps" pictured in MR's post. Their purpose is fairly obvious yet I have to wonder about their effectiveness. I would also assume many of them ended up in WW2 scrap drives. Were they all cast iron, or could they have been made from other composition, e.g., less-durable but equally hazardous cement? Hard to tell from this Pasadena photo where they appear in white clusters. (Image (formerly) on NLA, pg 491?)

1940s - Pasadena. Colorado Blvd.
http://macrochef.files.wordpress.com...nd-r1-e055.jpghttp://macrochef.files.wordpress.com...nd-r1-e055.jpg


Other examples of marked traffic "safety" bumps. (Previously seen on NLA)

1950 Figueroa and Seventh
http://media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com/73...999f8751b7.jpghttp://media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com/73...999f8751b7.jpg


1950 Figueroa and Seventh
http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...AKIY7CRBGI.jpghttp://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...AKIY7CRBGI.jpg

ethereal_reality Mar 23, 2015 9:07 PM

While I was researching for my last post, I happened across this renovation on York Boulevard that has exposed some rather interesting brick work.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...538/cf5oPp.jpg
GSV

Here's the building's previous life as the Verdugo Pet Shop.
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...913/lHSxO5.png
GSV


The building will eventually be home to the Recess Eatery (interior below).

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...537/6QVxPI.jpg
http://la.eater.com/2014/12/23/74430...-highland-park


below: One last look at the impressive brickwork that was covered up for years.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...538/CtnrzJ.jpg




t2, I had no idea about the loss of A.C. Martin's Oswald Barlett house. :( Truly sad and disappointing.

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Tourmaline Mar 23, 2015 9:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 6961817)
:previous: Toumaline, your bottom photo is missing. _

No rabbits were harmed during the making of the previous posts. The same may not be true for digital imagery. :rolleyes:

Hollywood Graham Mar 23, 2015 10:00 PM

Street Signs
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Godzilla (Post 6961700)
Interesting. In revisiting some of my missing posts, including one I posted on yellow on blue signage http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=24558, I also noticed your prior post with part of an impressive "street" related collection, including many examples of call/signal boxes. Bravo! http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=24560

I vaguely recall watching what may have been a rehab of an old E. Hollywood home, the address of which has been long forgotten. Workers were removing all kinds of remnants, including striped posts. In retrospect, I am guessing they may have been once intended/used to support street signs pictured so many times on NLA.


http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...sJDonahue1.jpghttp://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...sJDonahue1.jpg http://skyscraperpage.com/forum/show...ostcount=21733


I alluded to this previously, but the more I think of it, this was where I may have seen one or two porcelain / enameled street signs with yellow lettering (rather than white) on a dark blue field. I mentioned this to someone who has long since passed and he said he remembered the colored signs, because they reminded him of the UMichigan colors (darker than UCLA's). Still, I can't seem to locate any photographic evidence of their existence. In my mind's eye the signs were too solid to have been props and they bore local LA Street names. Do you or anyone else recall (or have examples of) blue shotgun-style street signs bearing yellow (not off-white) lettering?






https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/i...zk7biL2pXP-PDLhttps://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/i...zk7biL2pXP-PDL

http://www.kta.com/assets/images/cawater.jpghttp://www.kta.com/assets/images/cawater.jpg

i have never seen a blue with yellow lettering street sign in L.A., maybe it was in a bordering city that had it. I have seen street signs as far back as wood ones and they have been blue and white. The stripped post you mention were very common even to the 50's. They were not alone many signal poles had stripes also. I have seen a promotional photo (?) showing a spotted post with a lady in a spotted dress next to it.

Godzilla Mar 23, 2015 10:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hollywood Graham (Post 6961882)
i have never seen a blue with yellow lettering street sign in L.A., maybe it was in a bordering city that had it. I have seen street signs as far back as wood ones and they have been blue and white. The stripped post you mention were very common even to the 50's. They were not alone many signal poles had stripes also. I have seen a promotional photo (?) showing a spotted post with a lady in a spotted dress next to it.



:hi: http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=12357

http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...440&DMROTATE=0http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...440&DMROTATE=0http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...440&DMROTATE=0http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...440&DMROTATE=0USC Digital[/QUOTE]

ethereal_reality Mar 23, 2015 11:19 PM

I've had this photograph in a file of mine for quite some time. Could one of you rail-fans tell me what's going on?
There appears to be a gap between the street-car and the tracks nearer the camera.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...912/zo9t6i.jpg
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...912/s3r8T8.jpg
old file/eBay possibly

Whatever they're doing, I hope they pick up some of that litter. ;)

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HenryHuntington Mar 24, 2015 12:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 6961998)
I've had this photograph in a file of mine for quite some time. Could one of you rail-fans tell me what's going on?
There appears to be a gap between the street-car and the tracks nearer the camera.

Whatever they're doing, I hope they pick up some of that litter. ;)

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LATL 1433 is about to traverse a temporary crossover that will shunt the car to the opposite track for a short distance probably so that repairs can be effected on its normal routing (behind the photographer).

Streetcar companies also employed temporary track sections like this one but with holes drilled in the rails to allow fire hoses to be passed through in the event of structure fires.

ethereal_reality Mar 24, 2015 1:36 AM

:previous: Thanks for the help HenryHuntington! I appreciate it.
I couldn't figure out what was going on.

CityBoyDoug Mar 24, 2015 3:38 AM

Hollywood 1956...Tab Hunter?
 
In 1956 Jo-Ann Cox of Ballwin, Missouri, won a Screen Album magazine contest.
The prize was ''A visit to Hollywood and a date with teenage heartthrob...Tab Hunter''. Yes, Tab Hunter.
Her mom also came along on the trip.


Here's Tab and Jo-Ann at the very adult Mocambo on the Sunset Strip.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...psjmeol3px.jpg
reminisce.com

Martin Pal Mar 24, 2015 3:56 AM

:previous:

I just read that article, CBD, that was some date.


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