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Welcome BCB.
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Since you brought this up in your recent post from this original post:
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=24590

...I thought I'd tell you that I was in Eat Well recently, formerly Chapman's, and casually
asked if they had known what the location had previously been. One person vaguely knew
and I mentioned these photos you'd posted and they were all very interested and gave me
their info to send them the details. They talked about putting one or more of them on the
wall, so thank you, Godzilla!

Although we won't find the location in the photo below, although one never knows
with some of the sleuths we have on this forum, if one wants to know what Culver
City looked like in the past, you could do no better than to watch the Our Gang
shorts. While I was looking at the Culver City photos yesterday for the M-G-M posts,
I saw this one of Our Gang, only referenced as filming "in the residential backyards
of Culver City", dated "1930's" and naming only Jackie Cooper (right) as one of the
actors.

I decided to find out all I could about it.

http://www.culvercityhistoricalsocie...930sMedium.jpg

Bottom line: what I found out.

--The people in the photo, left to right, are:
Art Lloyd, the cameraman (you can see his name on the clapboard he's holding), Mary Ann Jackson, Miss Laurel Peralta, Allen "Farina" Hoskins, Bobby "Wheezer" Hutchins, Norman "Chubby" Chaney, Jackie Cooper and...Pete the Pup.

--They were filming short #96 titled "The First Seven Years", which was basically about two boys competing
for the attention of the same girl--Jackie, another boy not shown (Donald "Speck" Hines) and Mary Ann.

--It was only the 8th "talkie" that was made.

--It was released in theaters March 1, 1930.

--What interested me in the photo was the word SPANISH on the clapboard. What did that mean?
Obviously, silent films could change the title cards to whatever language they wished for foreign
distribution. Not so with sound films and the studios were worried about losing their export trade.
Miss Laurel Peralta was a spanish teacher and coach. This is a quote from a Leonard Maltin site:
"Even more remarkable is the fact that these kids repeated their roles in foreign language versions
of the same short, learning to speak the Spanish, French, and German dialogue phonetically!
Sound shorts also added a 20% increment to production costs and faced with the loss of revenue
from foreign markets, Hal Roach and other producers solved the problem temporarily by hiring
language tutors (like Miss Peralta) to coach their stars through as many as four separate foreign
editions of each film. Highly impractical today, the idea made sense at the time, since Hal Roach
comedies weren't talkfests, and signage with phonetic dialogue could be placed out of camera
range to prompt the stars. Each scene was shot first in English, and then immediately afterward
in French, Spanish, German and sometimes Italian. This was an impressive feat for adult performers
like Laurel & Hardy, but for the children of Our Gang who were still learning to read and write in
English, it is nothing less than astounding."


--In Spanish, this short was titled "Los Pequenos Papas." I don't know about you, but I'd kind of like
to see one of these shorts in their different language versions. Since they actually filmed the scenes
over, there has to be some differences in each of them.

--It's also noted that foreign actors often replaced many of the incidental roles in these films,
because they could speak the language and also could carry the expository dialogue if necessary,
though I don't know how that would save costs if you had additional actors for 4-5 different versions
of the films.

Pretty incredible nonetheless.

The Broadway Theater/Broadway Central Building/Judson
 

Here BCB, I think this makes a full set of Broadway Theater marquees:

1928:
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-v...15834%2BPM.jpg
uscdl first posted by BCB on this page (detail)

1954:
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-R...20038%2BPM.jpg
Sean Ault Archives by Osiris Press via historiclosangelestheaters (detail)

1980s:
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-O...14519%2BPM.jpg
americanclassicimages (detail)



And that's a nice (skinny) lobby there at the Judson. I like it:
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-0...15346%2BPM.jpg
yelp

Martin_Pal, I had no idea they shot "Our Gang" shorts in various languages. Those kids were certainly earning their money weren't they.

Thanks for the additional information on (and photographs of) the "Centinela Adobe" tovanger2, HossC[/B] and Flyingwedge. -much appreciated.
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And welcome to the thread Broadway_Central_Bldg.! I really enjoyed the photographs you posted.

I'd like to see a photograph of the Judson Loft entryway that you mentioned still has elements of the old theater lobby.
We're always curious here on NLA. ;)

*I see that t2 just posted an interesting photograph of the lobby.

Broadway Central Building / The Judson
 

It looks like the building entrance lobby has always been on the left. The Broadway theater was, as I understand it, completely contained in the what-was-built-as retail space at the right, where Alvarado Clothing is now. The theater is gone without trace.

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-B...30902%2BPM.jpg
gsv

Yep, that's it! I suspect you are right, tovangar2. But it's these doors in our lobby that interest me:

https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3742/...a93d736e_b.jpg

They are sealed up now. I have no idea, but it seems possible they may have once opened to the Broadway's lobby. Or maybe they're just decoration added by developers later. What do you guys think?

Thanks for the welcome, and thanks to tovangar2 for the additional photos of the Broadway!

I'm happy to take more photos of the building or the surrounding area; really I don't mind shooting any easily accessible sites in the downtown/historic core area. Not sure if there are any other DLTA residents on this thread, but it does seem like there's a lot of interest in downtown buildings, and sometimes Street View can only get you so far... plus, things are changing around here so quickly!

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It looks as if the doors opened into the central retail space. If that was originally a drugstore or a small cafe, it would have benefited both the office building and the business to have a connecting door. Many DTLA lobbies had similar arrangements. But, over time, as tenants changed, the access may have no longer made sense and so the doors were closed off.

Yeah, that makes perfect sense. Every time I get out of the elevators I want to slip through those doors! Makes me wish there were still a cafe on the other side... Thanks for the input!

"Butterfly Girls" Los Angeles Calif. 1921

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Los Angeles Ambassador Hotel

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Broadway Central Building / The Judson
 

:previous:

Those little girls do not look like they're having fun.
1921 was the year the Ambassador opened.


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Here's the 1924 permit allowing the larger, right-hand retail space (addressed No. 428) to be turned into the Broadway Theater:
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-W...33928%2BPM.jpg
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-f...33947%2BPM.jpg
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-W...34040%2BPM.jpg
ladbs online building records

There are a lot of permits for your building BCB and for its retail spaces, starting with the one to demolish a two-story brick building on the site. The 2/27/1907 permit names C.R. Aldrich as the architect.

The doors look original to me BCB.

So is the elevator lobby parallel with Broadway behind the stores? Have you snooped around in the back of the Shoemaster or Alvarado Clothing stores to see you can see the opposite side of the sealed up doors?

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...661/vtlpc6.jpg


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Well how about that! I didn't know where to look up the actual building records (or that it would be so easy to do so). Now I can really put together a history of this building. So many alterations and repairs!

Broadway Central Building / The Judson
 

Now I see Alvarado Clothing doesn't have two doors. There's a separate tiny space on the south end of the building. These two together take up the former theater space.
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It's quite new that it's online. Beaudry here told us how to access it. One used to have to go to City Hall and ask a counterperson. It took forever back then

The narrow elevator lobby is *perpendicular* to Broadway (it's narrow because it's crammed all the way over to the left side of the building). So the doors would have opened to the right, directly into the shoe store. Unfortunately there is no sign of them on the other side. Just drywalled over.

Oh I see. I didn't think there was enough room for the elevator shafts if the lobby ran perpendicular with Broadway (the space between the entrance-door and the left edge of the building is really tight) -so I thought perhaps the lobby was turned north-south behind the stores

Broadway Central Building / The Judson
 

I wanted to get a shot of the windows on the stairs from Frank Court, but my googlemobile stopped short and will not budge:

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-5...53903%2BPM.jpg
gsv

It looks, in the shot below, like the elevators bump out into the hallway space. If you have the time or inclination BCB would you pls get a shot of the hall that includes the very front part? I'm guessing it's wider like the bit back by the stairs. Maybe a shot taken through the open entrance door? Thx.

Also, is that another door back by the stair railing on the right?

Do the stairs turn left or right? I'm guessing left.

Do you have access to the basement? I was wondering if one could still see the "supporting beams and cols" that were added when the theater was installed.

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-0...15346%2BPM.jpg
yelp first posted on previous pg

Train & Cressey did a great job for Judson Rives with a very small space. It looks like a jewelbox rather than skimpy. Impressive.

Here's another odd configuration on S. Broadway.

It's the Schulte-United Building at 529 S. Broadway. (built in 1928)

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...540/PsFgIq.jpg
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detail
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"Schulte-United department store was once a national five and dime (with stores in Canada as well) that started in the early 1900s selling everything from men's socks to women's cosmetics. The ground floor (at 529 S. Broadway) contained smaller separate boutiques and kiosks not affiliated with Schulte-United. In order to access Schulte-United on the second floor and above, one would have to go to the back of the building to a grand staircase where beautiful brass railings were used to entice customers upstairs."
http://brighamyen.com/2014/03/14/new...r-downtown-la/



Unbelievably, the grand staircase is now completely blocked off from the businesses facing Broadway. This means you have to actually go behind the Schulte-United building through a back door entrance to access the staircase and upper stories.



The 'hidden' grand staircase.

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http://www.529artstower.com/


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Back entrance on Lindley Place.

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Looking up at the backside of the building. (there appears to be a rectangular ghost-sign)

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Today the building is known as the "Broadway Arts Tower"

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:previous: First time I've heard mention of a 125 seat cafeteria counter in the old Schulte-United.

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http://www.529artstower.com/

re: The Thalberg Building lobby.(something I didn't know)




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http://www.sonypicturesstudiostours.com/tours.html

"The lobby of the Thalberg features Columbia's 12 Oscar statuettes for Best Picture."


So where are MGM's Best Picture Oscars located?
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So bcb (welcome, by the way!), were you living there back in January when Night On Broadway happened? It was quite the evening.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-X...2/DSC04477.JPG
Photo by me

Floor Plan
 

Judson building floor plan. BCB has introduced us to this building. Each floor is a bit different.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...pszqx4fkt8.jpg

ref: http://thejudson.com/

T2, I will take some photos for you tomorrow of the entryway. I perused the building permits, and I now know that the ornate lobby decor was installed in 1929 ("marble wainscot and floors, new ornamental iron trim")... I believe that's when the doors were put in, but not sure when they were sealed off. According to this floorplan (publicly accessible via the real estate office that's currently trying to lease out the storefront) the door is really there.

That staircase you see in the photos (which, yes, turns left) is also shown here. It does not exit to Frank Court, but the building's rear staircase does. Near the lobby stairs are two doors, one to a storage corridor and another to the basement. As to the columns and beams, I believe the basement is partitioned on similar lines to the storefronts above, so we don't have access to the right side.

https://farm1.staticflickr.com/305/2...46f6f7e0_b.jpg

http://www.colliers.com/-/media/Imag...f.pdf?la=en-US

OK, now you all know way too much about my building. Please, don't nobody try to blow it up or anything. :)

Yes, I was there! I wish they'd do more street fests like that (it was sort of a pain having the street cordoned off, but worth it). It was my first time inside most of the theaters on the strip.

Schulte-United/Broadway Arts Tower
 

Thank you e_r. I am so glad a Broadway building has been turned into office space.

I love what they did with the old elevator shaft. It's now a sky-lit light box bringing sunshine to every floor:
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-P...12533%2BPM.jpg
la.curbed

The Shulte-United is a Walker & Eisen:

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-3...00417%2BPM.jpg
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-L...00432%2BPM.jpg
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-f...00511%2BPM.jpg
ladbs

I love this shot. I'm such a sucker for the Cameo, I cannot even explain it:
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-S...21328%2BAM.jpg
529artstower

Grayson (?) Look, they photo-shopped those blocked-up windows:
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-l...20531%2BAM.jpg
529artstower

Next door to the south, at No. 533, is a little, stripped-down Train & Williams from 1907:
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-o...95309%2BPM.jpg
gsv

Here's the Schulte-United/Broadway Arts Tower from Hill Street:
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-T...93510%2BPM.jpg
gsv

Too bad the International Jewelry Center building is there. I'd still like to see the strip between Lindley Pl and S Hill added to Pershing Sq (while leaving Hill St in place), then the whole 500 block of Broadway would want back entrances:

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-7...94155%2BPM.jpg
google maps

(I'd say a redesign and a name change are long overdue for the park too, but maybe that's too much to wish for, especially all at once)

Orphan's Asylum
 

Is this the a different manifestation for the orphanage that used to stand by Macy and Alameda in the 1850s and which would later appear in Boyle Heights, and now Maryvale in San Gabriel? I'm wondering if the orphanage seen here is Catholic Church property? I think Castellar is later Hill Street here, so just North of the windmill, on the corner of what would later be Ord and Hill, stood Our Lady Queen of Angels Middle School of which I am an alumni. I have not seen too many photos of my old school and I would be pleased if someone might reference any.

Broadway Central Building / The Judson
 

Oh, not to worry. The floor plan is perfect and answered all my questions. I had not guessed there was a vestibule. Also thanks for the heads up re the 1929 remodel of the lobby. That was Train & Cressey for then-owner Judson Rives. Beautiful job. Thank you so much for that.

Pfft. Nah, not saboteurs, just curious. Thx again :-)

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If you believe the Dutch origin of the word sabotage, you'd better hope that shoe shop on the first floor of the building doesn't stock wooden clogs if you want to avoid the saboteurs! ;)

You said a mouthful! Maybe you're not aware of the current plans to "renew" the park: http://pershingsquarenew.com

There is also a "competing" grassroots campaign to "restore" the park to its former glory, championed by the Esotouric crew, Kim Cooper and Richard Schave: http://restorepershingsquare.blogspot.com/ but I'm not confident they'll have much luck. (They DID get Garcetti to respond this month to a petition about reopening Angel's Flight, tho...)

What's your suggestion for a new name, T2? Back to Central Park?

LOL I can't believe it's taken me so long to stumble on this forum. Wordsmiths and historical architecture fans, you guys are my kind of people :)

Pershing Sq redesign & possible name-change
 

I keep track of the various plans to update the park. The driveways to the underground parking are a big problem though, as they have been since they were built.

There's a wealth of choices for a new name for Pershing Square. A nod to our deep history might be in order: Tongva Square or Yang-na Park (although Santa Monica opened their own Tongva Park last year). The name of the park that honored the 44 Pobladores has been changed to "Grand Park", which I find confusing, as we already have a Grand-Hope Park (those names are too generic anyway). I wouldn't mind "Pobladore Square". Governor de Neve might be a choice. He's the one that neatly side-stepped the Franciscans and got the mandate from the Spanish Crown back on track by founding our city. "de Neve Square" sounds good. I've long thought Dona Bernarda Ruiz should be remembered and honored. Her name would be an excellent choice. I'm sure others can think of many more.

Basically, for me, anything but "Pershing", which memorializes an embarrassingly jingoistic episode. Not our finest hour.


I dunno, what name would you pick?


Nathan Masters on former name changes

Not to keep hijacking this thread with photos of the same building, but I did a little snooping around and took some more photos. First, the lobby.

https://farm1.staticflickr.com/342/2...ced79f95_b.jpg

The vestibule holds our mailboxes. In the floor in this area there is a marble inlay with the name of the building. I believe this is c. 1950s, but I'm not sure. The permit I saw said "terrazzo" but I don't think this is:

https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3719/...a88b8066_b.jpg

detail of ceiling:

https://farm1.staticflickr.com/364/2...ce49265e_b.jpg

detail of stairs:

https://farm1.staticflickr.com/318/2...a43bc635_b.jpg

landing between 1st and 2nd floor:

https://farm1.staticflickr.com/347/2...5810573f_b.jpg

This tile looks older to me than the rose colored marble in the lobby. I think it might be original.

T2, I was so wrong. You are going to love this: We do have access to the full basement. And wouldn't you know it, under the right side of the building there are structural supports that aren't present under the left side.

https://farm1.staticflickr.com/428/2...0e61b44d_b.jpg



Of course these must be the "beams & cols in basement" referred to in that 11-10-24 permit. How cool is that!

Not to worry, you're talking to people who have spent many pages discussing a single palm tree. :haha:

Thanks for the wonderful pics!

Broadway Central Building / The Judson
 

Thanks! The pix are great.

This one shows clearly how room was found for the elevators:

Broadway Central Bldg: Thanks for sharing your photos and observations on Downtown and its changes. Growing up for me, it was the place to go.

When I was a child mother and I took the streetcar Downtown for shopping and lunch. May Co., Broadway, Robinsons, etc. Pig n' Whistle and Clifton's. It was vibrant and crowded. The toy departments were memorable to a child.

We would visit friends of my grandmother on Bunker Hill.

When I was old enough I went by myself shopping and to the movies, at those big old movie palaces - endless carpets, crying rooms, beautiful decor, big balconies, and the big screens.

During the Summer, and Christmas, breaks from school my parents sent me to the Downtown Y, at 7th and Hope, for day long activities - exercise, swimming, field trips. Before and after the Y my friends and I would explore Downtown - the knife shops, music stores, books shops, coin shops, and pen shops and wander the department stores.

Along Spring Street was the financial area - banks, brokers, etc. Main Street had the, ummmm, colorful bars and burlesque houses, theaters showing Asian movies, and pawn shops.

As a teenager and later I would haunt the pawn shops looking for deals on guitars and amps.

One of my uncles was a Western Electric phone installer and worked in the big buildings, another was a diamond merchant and jewelry maker n the jewelry district and my grandfather owned a restaurant in the 1920s near present City Hall.

Later, as an adult I would travel to LA for business, and during downtime explore downtown. I'd show colleagues the Bradbury Bldg., take them for Mexican food in the Grand Central Market, and drinks at the Biltmore. Or to eat in Little Tokyo.

Despite being somewhat frayed and neglected Downtown was still a vibrant place, reflecting the needs of current LA residents, and now with an influx of new people with a vision of urban life and plans, it is changing again.

I am not in favor of renaming public places ad infinitum or the current vogue
of making money off selling the name rights as USC is considering to do for the
Los Angeles Memorial Coliseum.

I say, it's been that way about a century, so leave it Pershing Square.

I overheard a relative youngster recently saying they had just seen a movie at the TCL.
I wondered where that was until later it dawned on me he was talking about the TCL Chinese Theatre.

From Grauman's Chinese Theatre to Mann's Chinese Theatre to TCL Chinese Theatre.

Kodak Theatre to Dolby Theatre.

Did you guys know that awhile ago the city of Los Angeles was trying a program of
licensing advertising on the waste receptacles and other type things in the city public
parks? Trash cans and the like were adorned with posters for the new, at the time,
Yogi Bear film. It was not greeted with any enthusiasm.

One night at Dodger Stadium a movie company got the Dodgers to place a
strip at the bottom side of each "base" advertising their upcoming film. The
more players who got on base. The more advertising. I wonder if the people
operating the cameras were told to focus on those? It wouldn't surprise me.
Attending a game once I wondered why a small MasterCard advertisement
was in a really strange place in the stadium on a seemingly innocuous wall
near the visitor's bullpen. Until later in the year I was watching a game on TV
and noticed it all the time on the TV coverage. And I'm sure the way they're
spending money now it won't be long before Dodger Stadium is sold out to
be called something else like Farmer John Dodger Dog Stadium.

How about Noirish Los Angeles Memorial Coliseum?

NLA Chinese Theatre?

I was going to say BCB, go ahead and "hijack" the thread and post away. (We all do it from time to time.) If YOU are interested in something, there's always someone else who is, too. We have a very eclectic group of people who are interested in various things and have the knowledge to comment on them or add fascinating information, both historical and personal.

All of us have our particular interests and I am pretty sure not everyone is interested in everything posted, but so what? It's what has made this thread go on and on. Sometimes, if something of lesser interest to me is being discussed, I get more interested in it because of the passion in which people are discussing it and I find myself getting involved.

So thank you ALL.

We already have one. This is the image I posted last year to celebrate 1000 pages. :)

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...1000Pages2.jpg
Original photo from USC Digital Library

1940s kodachrome slide.

Santa Monica, Pacific Palisades.

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I'm confused about the building(s) in the lower left corner that appear to be located on the east side of Roosevelt Highway (P.C.H.).
I'm not sure if it's one building or two.




Here's an enlargement to see the details better.

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Could this be a remnant of that building?

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Or is that a remnant of this building?

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...538/06PNy0.jpg
http://waterandpower.org/museum/Earl...ta_Monica.html

kinda' confusing I know

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And from that same group of 1940s kodachrome slides, here is Marion Davies Santa Monica Beach House.


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Can you imagine this is just a beach house.

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Is this the same building? It's in the same location as the remnant in the GSV picture. USC have this image vaguely dated at "circa 1936/1958".

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...sBuilding1.jpg
Detail of picture in USC Digital Library

Here's the full picture.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...sBuilding2.jpg
USC Digital Library

Western Star Soap - 633 East First Street



March 17, 1899 - Los Angeles Soap Company building with personnel and John A. Forthmann Senior.
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2013 - Redlands
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Grocer's Jollification

That was once a motel, but I cannot remember the name of it just now. I'm sure it's come up on the thread.

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And oh my goodness, Marion Davies' beach house. It sure didn't look like the one I grew up in:
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-0...35900%2BPM.jpg
the daily mirror (more pix at the link)

The interior is very well documented on the web.

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I didn't mean to cause offense Martin. I was just hoping for a new name with some local meaning which has stood the test of time, rather than the latest craze. Pershing, a controversial figure in life, had many parks and squares named after him, including this one (not that it looks like this these days):
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-w...40932%2BPM.jpg
ephemeralnewyork

Paseo de Los Pobladores stood for fifty or sixty years before it was changed to "Grand Park" without any discussion I can recall just now

And, I, of course, do not want naming rights auctioned off. (That would be highly confusing if they did that with our streets!)

:previous:

No offense, just a small rant and I liked the article you linked about that as well. ;)

Thanks, HossC! That was worth seeing again! :cheers:

Sunspot Motel
 

The Sunspot (formerly Carl's) Motel is the one I was thinking of e_r. Could this be the ruin?

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-J...52915%2BPM.jpg
smpl

hmmm....I don't think that's the building t2 (and the hill/cliff behind doesn't seem to match).
But it's good to see the Sunspot Motel. :)

Four 'mystery' snapshot from Oct. 4 & 5, 1922. The seller mentioned the Hollywood Bowl area.


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#2
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...537/xIA8cQ.jpg
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The following photograph is the most intriguing (to me anyway)

#3
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...913/yc4xCt.jpg
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:previous: "Mrs. Hamilton Estate. -whole mtn."





#4
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...540/lnmWEu.jpg
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for closer inspection:

#1
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...673/B2KE4E.jpg



#2
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...673/fvmJOE.jpg





#3 Mrs. Hamilton estate, whole mtn.
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...537/myi9O7.jpg

:previous: I'm hoping Mrs. Hamilton rings a bell for someone.





#4
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...905/aaPxN5.jpg

Are the three "orbs" on top of the pole at left electric lights? -and I think I see a house in the valley.

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I believe this is pretty much the same view as photograph #2. Twenty-five years later!

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/909/Ur3qsM.jpg
posted about a month ago.


Here's #2 again.
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...673/fvmJOE.jpg
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What do you think? pretty close?

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:previous: Yes, I think this could be the same building Hoss, some of the dimensions are similar. So what building is it?

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...537/YEGSG8.jpg
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:previous: Is that rebar sticking out of the flat roof? I think it lost the second floor.

Ok, that Embit Scan dude (or dudette) is starting to get on my nerves. Just release all the great, fabulous LA color pix at once already and quit teasing!


But I do have some info on that ruin. It’s the remnant of the parking garage and glass-roofed pool for the ill fated The Gables beach club, built in 1926 and burned down in 1930. The garrage was started in 1928; planned as a 23 story tower- they made it to 3.

The garage was across the street built into the bluffs. It was unfinished, but used as a parking garage up to 1962 at least. The Gables, what was salvaged, became another beach club, The Sorrento.

Hoss C posted these great veiws here: http://www.skyscraperpage.com/forum/...ostcount=17793
along with its near neighbor The Deauville. The 3rd one down shows the garage under construction.

http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/k...e/00030318.jpg LAPL

http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/k...e/sorrento.jpg unk

http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/k...rento-ruin.jpg unk


http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/k...rrentoUCLA.jpg
UCLA

http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/k...lle/64_big.jpg

http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/k...e/gables53.jpg
UCLA

http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/k...gables53-1.jpg UCLA

I walked past the site of the Gables/Sorrento in November (to and from Cary’s, and also popped in at Marion’s and Norma’s) and noticed this sidewalk tile. There’s one of those hideous pedestrian stairs there… It looks ye olde style at first, but I finally concluded the tile has to be new (new as in same time the overcrossing went in).
http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/k...IMG_1695_1.jpg
my photo