from a distance this heap looks like . .
. . "the P A R T Y C A K E building !" . . YaY !! . . Shove some pretty candles into that flat top . . Sometimes a gifted architect may focus too hard on the details, . . to the point that he's blind to the ridiculously obvious. Workers may enjoy their terraces, . . but the rest of the city has to behold the spectacle. |
Count me among those unimpressed with the BIG design. Ingels does amazing work but this and 2 WTC really look lackluster to me.
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http://www.wsj.com/articles/blackroc...unt-1469643587
BlackRock Fills Wall Street Void in Headquarters Hunt Asset manager has narrowed search for new headquarters down to three sites in Manhattan By Sarah Krouse July 27, 2016 Quote:
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The more supertalls Bjarke designs the more it is apparent that he does not do this niche of architecture very well. Please stick to low and mid rises Bjarke Ingels Group, thanks. |
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But at the same time, I can see why they wouldn't. Silverstein is too greedy. Plus a $3 billion+ tower would naturally command high rents. |
http://therealdeal.com/2016/09/28/bl...ds-for-new-hq/
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It's a pretty cool way to give every floor some outdoor space.
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I hope Blackrock considers this now that I think about it versus its competition like 50 Hudson. IDK, I just think a tower like will be harder to fill versus 50 HY. Would be nice to get this off the ground. Plus 50 HY isn't really that stellar IMO.
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It still will be a nice tower, but this was the spot which could have been a soaring centerpiece for the West Side, the Hudson Spire designation being a placeholder but something 1,500 ft or more could have and should have gone here. Now we have the zig zagging garden gimmick tower of BIG and Bjark Ingels.:hell: As if he didn't screw up World Trade Center II badly enough.
They really settled here though.. barely supertall. Height isn't everything of course, but this spot screamed for the most prominent placement in the West Side. Thinking about the Spiral going up just bums me now,lol... great for them though if they can get Black Rock as their anchor tenant. |
I hope they choose 50 Hudson, honestly Related hasn't designed a bad tower at the complex, so expect that trend to continue. Also it would put more pressure on Tishman to redesign this site and hopefully it would reflect the sites potential. Maybe a mixed use tower, of office, hotel, and residential.
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Good bye Hudson spire they must come back to This Tower cause it Will be the signature Tower of the Hudson yards
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Tishman made the right (grownup) call here. Take note. |
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Tishman Speyer files plans for $3.2B Hudson Yards tower :cheers:
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Yes, yes i know. In the same right the square office towers that we all love on Park avenue are stellar. This tower is sub par to whats being built at the Hudson Yards so in the context of its surrounding development its nothing extraordinary. This also isn't BIG's most innovative work so in some regard this tower does leave a lot to be desired. In terms of good design the mock-up and height of the tower portrayed previously for the site was more exciting so you can't expect people to be jumping for joy over this. It is a matter of opinion and if this was built on Lexington or Madison ave. perhaps people would be more eager to want to see this design rise but like I said given its location we just expected better. I don't think you'll disagree. |
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All of the permits filed today (9/29/16)
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Reading more the height doesn't include some kind of crown or mechanical topping which would likely give it bare supertall status of 1,005 ft or so. I appreciate that the square footage will likely in total be closer to the 2.8 mil that Tishman is saying. But this could have been a marvel, a true standout with the height originally envisioned...even if the crown or spiral would have capped more likely at 1,500-1,600 ft... that would be 300 ft or so taller than 30 Hudson and among the supertalls in the area none else is likely to go over 1,100 ft...though who knows if the Frank Mc Court property nearby will ever get going and aim for heights of at least 1,400ft like had been speculated. It's crazy...the Spiral is scheduled to be done by 2019, which is in development terms just around the corner with groundbreaking likely early next year. The Hudson Spiral was a vision that many thought was a decade in the future if not longer.. yet two years after initial speculation Tishman has the full property and chose to build wider instead of higher... so many people were captivated by the thoughts of what a realized Hudson Spire would look like(I know fully well it was a placeholder and a vision until a future developer was ready to build there)and as much as I try to appreciate what BIG and Tishman want, It just seems they have blown a tremendous opportunity to build a landmark for 21st century New York on the West Side.
I would say 99% of the time I agree with NYguy... he's been an institution here and really knows his stuff and really is passionate about New York City. This time though I just can't find myself in agreement.. we'll get used to the Spiral(instead of Hudson Spire,alas) and maybe I'm being too negative on Ingels and BIG(though I really see more gimmick than vision here, as with WTC2.) But it's hard to get excited about it when it could have been an exclamation point for a new century skyline. Hopefully there is one coming up somewhere maybe we don't have any idea about yet. It will be a fine building and the West Side is really going to emerge as a grand new neighborhood in the next few years but so far only the incomparable magnificence of 30 Hudson will clearly stand out as a modern icon, and that will be as much for its massive street presence as its height. Bordered by a number of very nice mainly glassy towers between 800 and 1,100 ft as complementary and subordinate... Tishman just should have been more bold and daring. That's all I have to say, just my preference though it is a given now that we'll get the BIG design. Maybe it's also hard to let go because the BIG design still looks like the one that will be built at WTC 2 once Larry Silverstein gets a commitment big enough to justify commencing on that long awaited tower and while having some admirers, from some angles very hard to get excited about. |
Potential Tenant in the market.
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I know this is pulling us a bit off topic, but the bigger news here is the sale of 235 E 42nd... That's going to see an FAR bump from 15 to at least 21.5 under the proposed rezoning (with opportunities to get up to 24.5 through added bonuses), all of which may increase an additional 10% if REBNY gets its way.
This is 100% going to get redeveloped under the new zoning, and, given how far it is to the east (fronting on 2nd Ave), it's going to have a very prominent position on the skyline as viewed from Brooklyn/Queens. |
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^ Bjarke's inspiration came from this.
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http://www.crainsnewyork.com/article...state-20161010
BlackRock's relocation would shake city's office market and policymakers Midtown east, downtown struggling to compete with far West Side Greg David By Greg David October 9, 2016 Quote:
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Tishman Speyer pays $78 million to boost the size of its Hudson Yards tower
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Oh come on now! 3 million sq ft? This should be at least 1,600' and not barely 1,000'. A missed opportunity ... :frog:
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This is what's always been planned. The rezoning of the Hudson Yards sites were always dependent on getting extra development rights from the railyards to get the full FAR. It's why Related's proposal for 55 Hudson is smaller than Extell's proposal for that site would have been. Related declined to get the max FAR for that site. |
I expect that they will be updating filings to show the 2.85 msf tower. The current filing still shows the 2.2 msf version...
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2.85 msf could have been huge here. It will still make an impact, especially from the street level and midtown, but this could have been skyline-defining. Oof.
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My wife made mention to me today on the train that BlackRock seems intent on moving into Hudson Yards. She was at a party with her manager a few days ago and the manager was talking about their relocation plans. Initially, they were to stay in Midtown (at the two buildings they currently occupy) then decided to look elsewhere - primarily Hudson Yards and 2WTC. One of the yet-to-be constructed buildings will be the likely spot for their move.
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this is too squat & biockzie to be named "the spiral" . .
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Good work. Keep badgering her on the train until she caves in, or decides she's had enough of you. :) |
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^ Maybe you should take her on a tour of the site, tell her she will soon be able to climb the Vessel (the artpiece).
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http://uk.reuters.com/article/us-usa...-idUKKBN13H1GJ
Famed Plaza District fades as Manhattan office landscape shifts http://s1.reutersmedia.net/resources...=LYNXMPECAL0V2 By Herbert Lash November 22, 2016 Quote:
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^ super good news. an exodus of these large tenants toward the far west side that gets all these buildings up will put a lot of pressure on the city/state/feds to upgrade penn station. plus all it should speed the residential components (particularly covering the second half of the actual hudson yards), which will help as any new housing does in manhattan. and who knows, maybe one day they'll build the infill station on the 7 line too. or rebuild javits. anyway, midtown's loss is the city's gain.
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https://commercialobserver.com/2016/...-right-moment/
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:previous: In other words; The Spiral and 2 WTC have something in common, they are unable to attract interest. :uhh:
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