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Wearing a mask to show the world how good and virtuous and morally "correct" you are is virtue signaling. Wearing a mask out of fear of judgement and punishment is not. |
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Ipso facto. |
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"Yeah, I've noticed them a few times now walking around without masks" "They're definitely not getting invited to little jimmy's birthday party next month." "Good." That's a social penalty I'm not willing to incur (especially for the sake of my kids) for being the lone person brave enough to go against the collective psychosis that a mask has to be worn anytime one is outside of the 4 walls of their own home. |
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What other purpose could it (virtue signalling) serve? |
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If enough people jump into the pool together at the same time, then no one has to be first. It's why I'm excited to see more official sources come out and say "yeah, wearing a mask outside in the vast majority of situations is pointless". It's gives me something to work with. |
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noun the action or practice of publicly expressing opinions or sentiments intended to demonstrate one's good character or the moral correctness of one's position on a particular issue. Doing something strictly out of fear does not fall under my understanding of it. Social coercion and virtue signaling are not the same thing. |
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If you like this, move to East Asia. I’m tired of wasting my life. |
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The “long-Covid” chatter is way overstated. And the “1/3 of Covid patients” stat is actually 1/3 of hospitalised Covid patients, which of course represent a small minority of cases and are unlikely to include the young. If your blood oxygen drops to the point where you need to be intubated, then yes there is risk of neurological damage. But I would have no need to worry about that because I have no need to worry about becoming so severely ill from Covid. |
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Seriously though, at this point I also think mask-wearing outdoors is pretty silly and useless, with the exception of particularly crowded areas (farmer's markets and other such things, perhaps on crowded city streets). Those who continue to wear masks outdoors with few to no people around them are definitely doing it for their own mental comfort and not out of necessity or even moderate need. Aaron (Glowrock) |
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My biggest problem with everyone wearing masks outside is that I can’t see the faces of the young women walking around :runaway:
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Have masks really become that politicized of an issue in the US that one needs to wear one even where not required just so others don't confuse you for a knuckle-dragging Trump supporter? (or vice versa, that people in Red states are scared to wear them even where it makes sense?) |
I almost always wear a mask outside because I need to wear one while entering and exiting my apartment building, and I'm usually going to/coming from a place that requires me to wear one. So I'll only have a few minutes with the mask off before I need to put it on again anyway. The major exception to this is when I'm jogging or on my bike, in which case I'll only cover my face when I have to pass within arm length of someone else.
I don't think much of it when people aren't wearing masks outside. Where I live, there is a pretty even mix of people who are and aren't wearing them outdoors, and nobody really cares unless they're coughing or standing too close. |
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I think most of this issue for me is being too agreeable for my own good sometimes. By nature, I am NOT a boat rocker. Hopefully, more sources talking about the pointlessness of outside masking will put a hole in the dam of the collective psychosis. |
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I guess I didn't mean it quite so literally in the partisan political sense, but more in the manner of how everything seemingly gets dragged into the broader culture wars these days. "Blue team" likes masks, therefore one shows their allegiance to Blue team by wearing a mask at all times, even when not necessary. "Red team" doesn't like masks, therefore one shows their allegiance to Red team by never wearing a mask and making a stink about it when they're forced to. Getting confused as belonging to the other team would be a very Bad Thing. Basically, the idea that one has to wear a mask outside lest they risk social ostracization from their neighbours sounds very foreign to me. Even amongst compliant, rule-loving Canadians there's just a little more room for nuance. |
I understood what you meant, but it's not really about blue teams or red teams, at least not where I live.
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And anyhow, who the hell catcalls these days? That's such a 70's thing (whistling at women) |
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4 Republicans at most, living in the 20 square block radius of your condo. :haha: |
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hence why discussions about red teams or blue teams doesn't make a whole lot of sense where i live. people here don't really think in those terms because one of the teams is entirely absent. |
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If people give you crap, politely ask them to send you some peer reviewed scientific literature on how the virus spreads outdoors under different conditions. This Steely that I see here though.... Must eat thin crust pizza from Dominoes because he's afraid he will drown in deep dish. |
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i'm a textbook "go along to get along" type of person, especially with close-quarters neighbors. rocking the boat is the very antithesis of my entire being. to my own detriment at times. |
The older I get, the less I care about what total strangers might think about me.
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It was understood that we are far enough apart (and outdoors) that COVID risk is basically zero. The only time I saw a bunch of mask wearing is this January at a busy sledding hill. Nearly all of the parents and kids were wearing masks because it was so crowded |
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you're way out in the burbs. different mindset and physical environment out there (and i'm not talking about "political teams" here). anyway, i just hope people in my neighborhood start wising up to the pointlessness of outdoor masking. i guess i'm going to have to be the change i wish to see in my world. |
^ Come to think of it, I do see many people wearing masks when they walk around our commercial (and walkable) main street in downtown Libertyville. That is where they are more likely to be in close quarters with other people.
I imagine that that environment is much more akin to yours and much of Chicago's neighborhoods. But in my actual residential neighborhood where we have sidewalks and a park and people walking around, nobody has ever worn masks. But yes, it's WAY less dense here than where you live |
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Lincoln Square census tracts tend to be in the 20K - 30K ppsm range. Libertyville's are more like 1.5K - 3.5K ppsm. in addition, not only are people packed more tightly here, they're also more likely to be out walking around in the first place compared to libertyville where the car is king. so when you're out walking around on the side streets of my neighborhood, you simply cross paths with a lot more people than you would in residential libertyville. no, it's certainly not times square or anything remotely like that, but it's at least an order of magnitude above typical suburbia, so that's all part of that different mindset i was talking about. |
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I think the Biden administration has already ruled out a national CV19 vaccination registry / “vaccine passport”. |
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My eldest boy, an 11 year old in 6th grade, is going to take the bus and head to school for the first time in over a year this Monday :tup:
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Just watched a movie with my 2 kids at a theatre for the first time in well over a year.
We wore masks but also pulled them down to eat popcorn, snacks, etc. Theatre was nearly empty. Clearly people are still either very afraid, have not been vaccinated, or both. But a Saturday matinee for a blockbuster like Godzilla vs Kong should’ve been WAY busier. Having the theatre nearly to ourselves (there were maybe 3 other families there) was pretty nice, though. I wonder how long this will last? |
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Either way, congrats! Getting our children back into their normal routines is a huge deal for all of us parents. I took my kids on the el today for the first time since the pandemic began. We took the brown line down to the zoo. Everyone was still wisely masked on all the trains and buses we rode. Masks are also still required in the zoo. But walking around the park and the Lincoln Park neighborhood before and after, I was paying close attention to people on the paths and sidewalks, and while the vast majority were still walking around masked, I'd guesstimate maybe 20% of the folks I saw were walking around maskless. So it's starting! |
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I would say that there needs to be rhyme or reason to outdoor masking, as opposed to “getting a feel for what everybody is going” In crowded outdoor areas masking makes sense until we have data showing that a significant majority of the public is vaccinated |
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Will your son be going to school all 5 days, or are they doing hybrid? My son goes all 5 days to a private Montessori school, but my daughter is in kindergarten at CPS and she's only physically in school 2 days a week. It's a good start, but she needs to go all 5 days. That won't be happening until the next school year this fall. |
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We opted for virtual mostly because of logistic issues with our adjusted work schedule. We actually want our kids back in school However, my older son is in special ed and is struggling, literally the only kid doing virtual in some of his classes. He was frustrated and told us he really wanted to go to school. After a really bad week we spoke to his school and he will be going in 3 days a week. He will do virtual 2 days a week (again for logistic reasons, no other) Suffice to say, I am thrilled. I want my kids back in the classroom! |
All the local peeps I encounter say this: what Covid? True to the 100.
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