Shots are fine. Drawing blood is horrible. Like seeing my blood flow out of my big vein is sick.

This is standard "fake news" from your friendly media outlet.

The vaccines are known to only last 6 months because they've ONLY EXISTED 6 MONTHS. As Dr. Fauci ineptly explained, it's likely they last much longer but scientists won't tell the press we know they do until that amount of time has passed and we have the data.

Indeed, even what they are measuring is probably silly. As I understand it, what has lasted 6 months SO FAR is measurable antibody production. But that's not what may be important. Over time that is almost certainly going to decline but what may never decline is that when your body encounters the coronavirus spike protein again, it will almost immediately react with a response that may include new antibody production and a cellular response. Within a few days, this measurable antibodies will be back. Clinically, the effect of this may or may not be as potent as having the antibodies already circulating but it will very likely moderate the severity of any COVID-related illness . . . possibly for the rest of your life.

^ This

The public is just making it worse with all of their misinformation and fears

Yes, I’m supposed to get blood work done, I’ve put it off for almost a month. I have a huge fear of needles. Probably stems from when I had to have to surgery with no anesthesia and had to be awake the whole time they were shoving tubes up my veins and slicing into my legs. So needless to say, I have a huge giant fear of needles. Like I start to sweat and shake. Even though I know it doesn’t hurt really, I just hate hate hate the idea of something going in my veins and sucking blood out. I feel queasy even thinking about it right now.

Just to put the title of that insane article about Michigan into perspective:

Over 5 million doses have been administrated in Michigan. I would assume that means at least 1.5 million are fully vaccinated (picked that number out of my ass).

So 250 cases for 1.5 million people. Not a story.

The nurse (not doctor, as I incorrectly said before) who fainted had already received the shot, so I don't think it was because of the needle. Apparently she has a condition that caused it to happen, and it wasn't related to the shot: https://apnews.com/article/fact-chec...ent:9817674811

But the other reason that they make you wait is to respond to allergic reactions that may occur. Not everyone is aware of all their allergies.

No need to pick number out of (your) ass: Bloomberg reports them ever day and sometimes twice a day. As of 10 AM this morning, Michigan had given 5 million doses (5,013,346 to be precise) and 19.9% of the state's population were considered "fully vaccinated". That works out to roughly 1,987,400.

The data on the vaccines has always been that they were about 95% effective in preventing "severe disease" and somewhat less at preventing ANY infection. Actually, 250/almost 2 million would be wonderful news if true. It would be .0125%. Any vaccine that's 99.9875% effective at preventing any infection would cause virologists and epidemiologists to swoon in ecstasy.

That is wonderful to read! And it also shows why it is advisable to wear masks inside public spaces for a bit more. You can still get it. Highly unlikely, but possible.

No. It. Doesn't.


We don't take precautions like that for ANY other aspect of our lives, at all.

^^ Again, you are jumping to the extreme. Am I wearing a mask when I take my dog for a walk? No. Am I wearing a mask when I am eating outside at a restaurant or bar? No. Am I wearing a mask when I am around people I know have been vaccinated? No. Am I traveling on an airplane, with a mask? Yes. Am I wearing a mask when I am inside a store or other public place? For the time being, Yes. Will I be carrying a mask with me in June? Yes but doubtful I will be wearing it, including inside. Will I take a mask with me on my two planned trips to Europe this summer/fall. Yes. Will I be wearing it at outdoor restaurants? No.

And it is fairly presumptuous of you to write "We don't take precautions like that for ANY other aspect of our lives, at all." You don't know what type of precautions people take, or have taken, in other aspects of their lives.

I’m starting to see how the media likes to spread fear. And it makes sense; COVID is still ongoing news and humans and driven by fear for the most part. If I wasn’t in the medical field, I would be more than likely lost at this point.

80% of Michiganders are NOT fully vaccinated. Your precautions are for them. When they go into a grocery store and see unmasked people wandering around they have no way of knowing who's vaccinated and who isn't and you certainly can't trust the unvaccinated to act reasonably and wear a mask so one might assume the unmasked were vaccinated.

Personally, when I'm in a store and see some older guy (especially) unmasked, I'm more likely to bet he's both a mask and vaccine resistor than that he's fully vaccinated.

A year into it, its still kind of a surreal experience. Part of downtown Portland still look likes robocop, but most of the city has fared fairly well. It been quite the mind @#$ tho I will admit. Work has been surreal, we were given choice to work remote or stay at the office. I volunteered to stay and so did about 10 others. We work at the electric company so I guess we got an exemption? Did you ever seen Moon, that movie by David Bowies kid?? It was like that. All alone working in a spooky, abandoned sky scraper. I think the company is planning a return later in the summer so my semi solo mission continues. Stay strong forumers.

Do you think mask mandates are any different than indoor smoking bans? Other than one being temporary vs. permanent.

Except where I live indoor smoking bans don't apply to cannabis smoke. Make sense of that one ;) .

Weed smells better.

I don't care what other people do. Theres someone out there who probably has had their kid in an actual bubble suit for the last decade.

Just don't make me worry like you, that is all.

I think we are having a miscommunication, and its probably my fault.

I am not some radical asshole. I've seen videos of people going into stores without masks even though the stores mandate them.

If a grocery store mandates masks, I wear a mask. If they don't, I won't wear one. It's that simple.

I am in Chicago, I don't see anyone indoors without masks (well, maybe a few dozen in the last year). So when I'm fully vaccinated, I won't wear a mask indoors *if* the store does not mandate them. If some unvaccinated person wants to be unmasked too, fine. That's their right and they are taking a TINY risk doing it.

That's a good question.

Heres the difference, how I see it anyways:

1. Smoking is a nuisance. It smells.
2. A *smoker* smokes a cigarette, easy to tell. A masked person has about a 1.5% chance of having covid if they are showing no signs. A vaccinated person has what, a .02% chance of having covid? There's the difference, its super easy to ban smokers because their smoking is easy to identify. In essence, their "crime" is individual and deliberate. Me living my life with the TINY chance of having covid shouldn't mean I am at all times suspected of having Covid (certainly after my last vaccine shot today).

A temporary mask mandate is fine. But it seems many see no end in sight, like Pedestrian, I don't think he'll ever take his off. Which is FINE, but don't force everyone else to follow your ideas of how to live life.

Meh, I’ve had people faint in my office after getting shots. I already know it’s basically a vagal reaction that some people get to needles, so it don’t sweat it a bit.

But, of course, if this were to happen after a Covid vaccine and, in the hands of our worthless media.....obviously it would be front page news. “Man passes out after Moderna vaccine! Safety in question!” :rolleyes: