Typical for this thread...completely devoid of any attempt at logic or the most basic internet search.

https://www.cdc.gov/hiv/policies/law.../exposure.html

That's just the criminal law side.

That link changes nothing. The laws state that HIV infected people are required to disclose their HIV status to potential partners.

That differs immensely from your specific words earlier, which were “required to abstain”.

The former is a rule that few would dispute as a Constitutional infringement. The latter, however, would be far more troublesome.

About as troublesome as a law-abiding shopkeeper being ordered by one elected official to stop conducting business indefinitely until “I say so”.

Please stop spreading facts, it hurts the narrative.

The fact that the wealthy own the research, work and production of others? Ya we know. That's the system of capitalism lol.

Oh bless you billionaire saviors. Rescuing us from covid and totally not profiting from a crisis...

They should have just done that from the beginning instead of willingly trashing the economy for years to come. This will go down as the world's biggest ruse....

Traffic is still light and I love it. The sky usually turns into a soupy haze after 2 consecutive days of sun but now it's amazing how pristine and crisp it has stayed since the lockdown.

Day 9 in Arkansas:

Went to my sisters house for my nephew's 2nd birthday party. About 20 people showed up(ILLEGAL IN MANY PLACES LOL). My brother-in-law's grandpa came up to me and shook my hand. I thanked the guy for giving me some semblance of normalcy back(he also happened to be the oldest guy in the room). About three of the guests worked at the hospital with my brother-in-law, zero masks. Beautiful day. Kids were going crazy. We had a side-by-side pulling some "train cars" to keep the kids entertained. Man, life is NICE when you feel normal again, so damn nice.

My brother-in-law's father is a preacher in rural Missouri. I asked him about how his church has been doing, and he said, to my surprise, "never been better." Their donations are up and he is going to keep the internet thing going and he's actually broadcasting on the radio within a 2-mile range of his church so the older people who are worried(and don't understand technology) can sit in their cars or at home and listen in. He said the social distancing protocols he's put in place has been universally appreciated by people there and things are moving along nicely. Great news.

Anyways, how is Covid-19 impacting my current city of Paragould Arkansas? Not much.

They own the means of production. All of those valuable capital assets are what make our economy and society different from impoverished places in Africa where they plow fields by hand. Those people work hard as well.

sure open up your shop. i catch a corona in there because you arent enforcing common sense rules i will sue you back to the stone age. you really want your already backed up courts clogged up with that? :shrug:

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A few quick points here:

1) I swear, the self-righteous, selfish, "Me! Me! Me!" attitude I've been reading by so many fellow SSPers here is truly disgusting! All this whining about not being able to get your hair cut, go to a bar, sit inside restaurants, go to the gym, etc... What about the freaking employees of those establishments? Does anyone care about their health and safety?

2) It's abundantly clear that the average income level of most SSPers is 3-5x the national/world average, apparently. All this talk about huge bonuses and commissions, paying cash for homes, huge down payments, etc... Wow, it's like we're on another goddamned planet from most people!

3) As many of you know, I've gone from working in a professional industry (oil & gas services) to retail (specifically a huge liquor store chain). Let's just say that the last couple of months have been insane for me, both in terms of ever-changing rules and regulations to of course a massive increase in sales. It's gotten to the point where the lines outside to get in have as many people as those in the store! I deal with hundreds of people every single day, not sure if any of them are carriers of COVID-19. Obviously the masks help greatly in preventing the spread from one person to another, but there's still a certain level of risk in what I do right now.

4) To everyone saying to open everything now, get rid of social distancing, etc... How many new cases/deaths are acceptable to you? You really think restaurants should be back to being packed? Bars packed to the gills three-deep? No distancing at all? With no real treatment and no vaccine? Seriously? I'm not saying a vaccine is the be all end all here, but a reasonable treatment protocol that reduces severity of the illness would be nice!

5) As a retail/service worker for the last year or two, I've seen the good, bad and ugliest of people's behaviors. If anything, I truly hope that there is a much greater appreciation for the people that allow all of you bitching and moaning about not being able to do everything you want right now on a freaking whim now and into the future! Be thankful that there are still delivery drivers, cashiers, warehouse/stockers, restaurant employees, postal carriers, transit employees, etc., (and of course our amazing nurses!) that are risking their own safety by dealing with the public right now!

6) I still can't get over the absolute narcissism and selfish behaviors by so many here. It makes me sick to my goddamned stomach. :(

Aaron (Glowrock)

Welcome to America, land of the most spoiled people in the world. The fact that we have people comparing the lockdown (which was implemented in the interest of public health and safety, not because they wanted to prevent you from going to Chili's) to Communism and being ruled by Hitler, when they haven't lived a second of their lives in those environments, tells you all that you need to know.

That being said, the time to reopen was a month ago, and should be, and is, gradual and carefully thought out. The curve has been flattened, hospitals have plenty of capacity, and people can make the personal choice whether they want to assume the risk or not.

No way, man, you're way too selfish. Anyone would wants to avoid a second Great Depression and mass global starvation is selfish. Anyone who wants to sit at home the next three years watching Netflix, waiting for the death count to approach zero, is virtuous.

Great post, and thank you. I am a professional working from home but a significant portion of my friend group works in various areas of the local restaurant and craft beer scene. They are affected a hell of a lot more than me, and in many different ways*. It's easy to whine while sitting at your computer because you can't go out after work - I get it, I normally do that and it fucking sucks.

But as to some of your points, seems like a select number of SSPers would gleefully shove the homeless / old people / relatives into a woodchipper if it benefited their portfolio.

*Almost everyone has gotten supported by the government at least, with the exception of the current failings of our small business program. I hate being a Canada booster but we haven't turned this into a Culture War in the same sense that the US seems to have managed.

Lockdowns should've wound down like homebucket mentioned but the Oscar for a leading role in a drama goes to...

Many people did lose their jobs in industries that had razor thin margins who never prepared for black swan events or those with one foot already in Chapter 11 but we were asked to social distance for a month of so and the hysterics ensued. Glowrock is correct.

The correct answer on when to "reopen" is once adequate test-and-trace is in place. Reopening before then is useless, because cases will spike again within a few weeks. Australia shows we could do it - if we gave a shit.

FWIW, there's no evidence that reopening will "save the economy." Sweden is heading for a steep recession even though people there just stayed at home voluntarily. And in the U.S.'s case, Georgia has been "open" for about a month now. It seems like economic activity has only picked up slightly, and new unemployment filings continue to rise (apparently now over 40% - highest in nation).

One great fallacy among the know-nothings: The idea that going out only puts yourself at risk.

Another: A single partial measure (six feet, a mask, etc.) is all you need without the other measures.

4 years of Donald Trump has literally hardened millions of hearts. He gave them permission to openly act like assholes.

Like who the F totes guns to the state house because they think theyre going to strong arm the governor into submitting to their selfishness? We are devolving very quickly and these idiots are nothing but brainwashed sheep.

And make no mistake, they are being prodded by online bots, just like in 2016.

My high school buddy has an 80's cover rock band and they plays gigs throughout the southeast. They had a show in Dayton TN last night. I texted him asking what sort of crowd control / social distancing measures if any they had in place for the pandemic, and he told me "nothing at all...it's business as usual with normal crowds and activity up this way".

Well, good luck not getting that suit thrown out. I imagine it would be nearly impossible to win such a case.

Besides, many States like Illinois have executive orders in place that provide tort immunity from Covid related litigation. Thankfully so, the last thing we need from this pandemic is to make more slimy lawyers rich....

Last but not least, even if you did “catch Corona” :rolleyes: and you were allowed to sue, what are you going to sue for? For being among that 99.9% of people who have either no symptoms or, at most, a fever, headache, and body aches for a week? Oh boy, that will win you millions!!