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N830MH Feb 9, 2013 12:08 AM

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Originally Posted by HooverDam (Post 6007576)
I wish I was shocked that the first question after the 3D rendering of the expanded T3 from a Council person was "will you be expanding parking!?"

Ug. Most of our council just doesn't get it.

I think they will have added more parking at entire T3 and Perhaps they will adds 2 more level total of 8 levels. I doubt it that they will adds more new parking space. It will helps to reduce the congestion. Old parking garage at entire T2 to be demolished. They will be transferred to terminal 3 parking garage.

Let's wait and see if city council will have be approved. Right now, they are still in negotiating about entire terminal 3 modernization. It will take a while.

Arquitect Feb 9, 2013 1:57 AM

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Originally Posted by N830MH (Post 6007598)
I think they will have added more parking at entire T3 and Perhaps they will adds 2 more level total of 8 levels. I doubt it that they will adds more new parking space. It will helps to reduce the congestion. Old parking garage at entire T2 to be demolished. They will be transferred to terminal 3 parking garage.

Let's wait and see if city council will have be approved. Right now, they are still in negotiating about entire terminal 3 modernization. It will take a while.

We don't need more parking! The airport has a sea of parking around it. And the addition of the Sky Train makes it a lot easier to get from the lots to the terminals. Personally, from the few times I have parked at the airport, I have never had a hard time finding parking.

Tempe_Duck Feb 9, 2013 2:24 AM

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Originally Posted by exit2lef (Post 6006669)
The connection to the rental car center is likely to be affected by construction at the west end of the airport: The demolition of Terminal 2 and the eventual construction of the new "West Terminal." Until the exact design of the new terminal is determined, it would be difficult to design a route for the Sky Train to follow to the rental car center.

The West Terminal is all but dead with the upgrades to T3 and the upcoming US/AA merger.

RichTempe Feb 9, 2013 5:14 AM

Just noticed this crane that went up today. The pictures are taken from my balcony at Roosevelt Square so sorry for the quality. It looks too close to be for the YMCA/ASU expansion. I didn't have time to walk over and see where it was exactly. Does anyone know if they've put up a crane for the Native American Connections housing going up at 2nd Ave. and McKinley?

http://imageshack.us/a/img19/3291/sam0009b.jpg



http://imageshack.us/a/img41/9338/sam0010c.jpg

nickw252 Feb 9, 2013 6:15 AM

From that picture it almost looks like it has to be the Native Connections project. I've noticed that they haven't really made any vertical progress on Native Connections yet so it makes sense.

RichTempe Feb 9, 2013 8:29 PM

It's definitely at the Native Connections building site. I took a couple more pics today right at McKinley & 2nd Ave. It's certainly taken enough time for this project to start going vertical.


http://imageshack.us/a/img802/3713/20130209124538.jpg



http://imageshack.us/a/img542/4703/20130209124611.jpg

nickw252 Feb 9, 2013 8:39 PM

I wonder if they just moved one of the cranes from RoPo to that site to save money. It looks like a pretty big crane for the size of building Native Connections is supposed to be.

http://i46.tinypic.com/fdyk5i.jpg

phxSUNSfan Feb 9, 2013 8:47 PM

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Originally Posted by nickw252 (Post 6008438)
I wonder if they just moved one of the cranes from RoPo to that site to save money. It looks like a pretty big crane for the size of building Native Connections is supposed to be.

Isn't the building going to be about 6 floors? I thought I saw a rendering for the building and it is nearly identical to the one on Campbell and Central.

nickw252 Feb 9, 2013 8:51 PM

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Originally Posted by phxSUNSfan (Post 6008448)
Isn't the building going to be about 6 floors? I thought I saw a rendering for the building and it is nearly identical to the one on Campbell and Central.

I thought it was fewer than 6 but it turns out you were right. I went back a few pages and found this:

http://imageshack.us/a/img689/3892/20121108123129.jpg

That'll be a pretty big building for that neighborhood. It will really look nice.

Jjs5056 Feb 10, 2013 1:36 AM

That's the exact kind of project that part of downtown needs, IMO. The Avenues between Central and 7th really need to start filling up with dense residential. The Sreets at least have a long term plan with the BioMedical campus, for instance, but the lots west of Central have created a very unfortunate dead zone.

I'd love to see some towers mixed in there- such as the former Jet proposal- but 6-8 story projects like this are a great start. Obviously, I wish we could start getting a mix of market-rate residential to complement all of these low-income and student housing developments, but residents are residents; regardless of income, they'll bring life to the streets, bring demand for necessities such as groceries and, in the long-term, bring diversity to our core.

What do you guys think of projects like this lacking retail? I don't have a problem with it. I think the one on Central was a missed opportunity, but I think it's fine if the Avenues are more of a residential zone, so long as the buildigs address the street through walk-ups, patios and/or ground level fitness areas, lobbies, etc. Perhaps around Van Buren and to the South, we could see a grocery on the ground level or something, but the northern neighborhoods should be fine. Or, is it better for downtown's future to at least create mixed use structures now with the potential of bringing retail in once there is the demand? All of the empty retail just seems so disheartening to me, though.

Any plans for the spot on the ground floor of 1st and Van Buren? There was a restaurant there until recently and I can't think of the name- Sonoran or something? Sorry for the vagueness, but this spot really needs to be filled up, IMO. There are so many garages and dead spots nearby that I really notice the emptiness each time I pass by.

N830MH Feb 10, 2013 5:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Tempe_Duck (Post 6007737)
The West Terminal is all but dead with the upgrades to T3 and the upcoming US/AA merger.

I though they didn't being built West terminal, but they shelved the entire West terminal project. I wasn't sure why.

Yes, the entire T3 will have expanding new gate space & backup new inline baggage screening system. When UA & AS will moved to entire T3. The entire T2 will be closed and they will be demolished. I think VX will be in PHX or AZA. It's up to VX. F9 will be in T3N and B6 will moved back to T3S. If they expanding more new specific routes. If they have enough gate space available. Hawaiian will be in T3N. If the policy change. AS will be in T3N will share at DL gates & ticket counter as well.

phxSUNSfan Feb 10, 2013 6:10 AM

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Originally Posted by nickw252 (Post 6008452)
I thought it was fewer than 6 but it turns out you were right. I went back a few pages and found this:

http://imageshack.us/a/img689/3892/20121108123129.jpg

That'll be a pretty big building for that neighborhood. It will really look nice.

Very nice and that is actually a better looking building than the one on Central and Campbell. This is right up to the sidewalk and the architecture fits the neighborhood despite being rather large.

exit2lef Feb 10, 2013 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Jjs5056 (Post 6008712)
What do you guys think of projects like this lacking retail? I don't have a problem with it. I think the one on Central was a missed opportunity, but I think it's fine if the Avenues are more of a residential zone, so long as the buildigs address the street through walk-ups, patios and/or ground level fitness areas, lobbies, etc. Perhaps around Van Buren and to the South, we could see a grocery on the ground level or something, but the northern neighborhoods should be fine. Or, is it better for downtown's future to at least create mixed use structures now with the potential of bringing retail in once there is the demand? All of the empty retail just seems so disheartening to me, though.

Any plans for the spot on the ground floor of 1st and Van Buren? There was a restaurant there until recently and I can't think of the name- Sonoran or something? Sorry for the vagueness, but this spot really needs to be filled up, IMO. There are so many garages and dead spots nearby that I really notice the emptiness each time I pass by.

We already have too much vacant ground floor retail in various apartment buildings and parking garages. Now's not the time to add more. Ground floor retail has been used in the past as an easy way to soften the image of garages, but we've ended up with disconnected storefronts that don't have the critical mass to attract customer traffic. It's better to concentrate on increasing population right now. Retail can be added later in response to the needs of a growing Downtown population.

I wasn't a big fan of that Sonoma restaurant, but it least it generated activity. I agree that such a big vacant space right across from Central Station is an eyesore. I always though its layout would make it a good space for an Indian restaurant with the inevitable lunch buffet.

dtnphx Feb 10, 2013 6:39 PM

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Originally Posted by exit2lef (Post 6009131)
We already have too much vacant ground floor retail in various apartment buildings and parking garages. Now's not the time to add more. Ground floor retail has been used in the past as an easy way to soften the image of garages, but we've ended up with disconnected storefronts that don't have the critical mass to attract customer traffic. It's better to concentrate on increasing population right now. Retail can be added later in response to the needs of a growing Downtown population.

I wasn't a big fan of that Sonoma restaurant, but it least it generated activity. I agree that such a big vacant space right across from Central Station is an eyesore. I always though its layout would make it a good space for an Indian restaurant with the inevitable lunch buffet.

There was an Indian restaurant facing Central Station around 2003-2004 or so. Very authentic, but often empty.

ASUSunDevil Feb 12, 2013 6:00 PM

Not the biggest project, but they finally resumed construction on the half built office building on 32nd St. and Glenrosa. I have been driving by there for years and never thought it would get completed, really nice to see it getting finished.

That area is seeing a nice resurgence with the apartments going up at 36th St. and Campbell and all the great restaurants in the area. It won't surprise me the day that 32nd street is nice all the way south to the 202.

Speaking of that area, does anyone know what's going on at the SW corner of 44th and Indian School? I haven't seen much action at the site since the demo happened. Is it still supposed to be an In-N-Out?

N830MH Feb 12, 2013 6:25 PM

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Originally Posted by ASUSunDevil (Post 6011751)
Speaking of that area, does anyone know what's going on at the SW corner of 44th and Indian School? I haven't seen much action at the site since the demo happened. Is it still supposed to be an In-N-Out?

Yes, the old Circle K is demolished, but we didn't realize know that. Do you remember where it is? I rode on the city bus and I was on the way to fixed my hearing aids. I remember the old Circle K is. I just got off the bus on Indian School Rd & 44th St. I usually to take on route 44. I am not quite sure if they built new In-N-Out Burger. We will find out soon enough. It is too early to tell.

Vicelord John Feb 12, 2013 10:20 PM

uh.

what?

Every structure on the corner has been demoed, but there is no sign of impending construction.

HooverDam Feb 12, 2013 11:58 PM

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Originally Posted by exit2lef (Post 6009131)
We already have too much vacant ground floor retail in various apartment buildings and parking garages. Now's not the time to add more. Ground floor retail has been used in the past as an easy way to soften the image of garages, but we've ended up with disconnected storefronts that don't have the critical mass to attract customer traffic. It's better to concentrate on increasing population right now. Retail can be added later in response to the needs of a growing Downtown population.

I agree, retail needs to be more cohesively focused on a few key corridors to start. IE Central and 1st St going N/S and Roosevelt, Washington and Van Buren going E/W.

Right now everything is so scatter shot in Downtown. Crescent is cool...but nowhere near The Duce, which is no where near Matts Big Breakfast, etc.

Leo the Dog Feb 13, 2013 2:55 AM

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Originally Posted by HooverDam (Post 6012318)
I agree, retail needs to be more cohesively focused on a few key corridors to start. IE Central and 1st St going N/S and Roosevelt, Washington and Van Buren going E/W.

Right now everything is so scatter shot in Downtown. Crescent is cool...but nowhere near The Duce, which is no where near Matts Big Breakfast, etc.

I've been saying this for years. It's a mish-mash of retail in downtown.

Tylerrrr Feb 13, 2013 3:07 AM

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Originally Posted by HooverDam (Post 6012318)
I agree, retail needs to be more cohesively focused on a few key corridors to start. IE Central and 1st St going N/S and Roosevelt, Washington and Van Buren going E/W.

Right now everything is so scatter shot in Downtown. Crescent is cool...but nowhere near The Duce, which is no where near Matts Big Breakfast, etc.

Thank you! Please, people who have real power in development listen to this! Haha.

There's a new 200 seater concert venue opening up downtown called Last Exit Live, a great addition to downtown which is sure to attract tons of local band concerts. But it does little to create any new street life downtown becuause they are building it at central and grant. This type of development would have been perfect right next to crescent, or up on Roosevelt.

Just wish people who are looking to bring life to downtown would start building with location and surroundings in mind!

Making central and 1st and Roosevelt, Phoenix's answer to mill ave and old town (but with Phoenix's personality, of course) would be a great start!


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