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Originally Posted by Busy Bee (Post 8374703)

What't the affinity for the 1 train to SI when running a split leg R to SI through a new tunnel (or the other ways I've mentioned) make significantly more logistical and fiscal sense?

Avoiding the Fourth Ave line and, most importantly, DeKalb interlocking for a service that would well exceed 100K per day ridership. If the risks of branching/interlining in a system that isn't kept in tip top shape aren't apparent today they never will be.

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Originally Posted by Busy Bee (Post 8374703)

What't the affinity for the 1 train to SI when running a split leg R to SI through a new tunnel (or the other ways I've mentioned) make significantly more logistical and fiscal sense?

Yeah, the 1 makes no sense. Especially the route mentioned where it runs literally one block away from the R. You'd be better off running it through Jersey and picking up a bunch more undeserved areas but again this is all pie in the sky talk because there's no way NYC could afford such a project unless they get serious about taking on the corruption and unions.

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Originally Posted by BrownTown (Post 8374737)

The slightest problem at DeKalb throws a bunch of different services into chaos immediately. This is not a situation that should be added to.

the most fiscally sound way to serve staten by rail, and the way it will most logically and rightly happen, if it ever does at all, is via extending the newish hudson bergen light rail along the north shore to the ferry terminal. that would of course require cooperation more than $$$, so dont hold your breadth.

A Hudson Bergen light rrail connection to SI is a miserable excuse for a Manhattan rail connection. If that's the best we can do god help us all.

^ its most likely the best we can do.

no digging and tunneling necessary.

the fact is staten is hardly a priority for new rail transit:

expanding 2nd ave & triboro rx would be priorities.

upgrading the subway signaling.

fixing the tunnels.

cuomo's new bronx mnrr stations.

finish the #@*! east river access.

even connecting lga/jfk airport airtrains and expanding 7 or L train to nj would rank above tunneling to staten island.

they are more doable too than tunneling to staten (except nj subway extensions or growing 2nd av -- i suppose those would be about the same type major level of work).

Traffic today due to snow storm.

A shit show.

https://discourse-cdn-sjc1.com/busin...177bc1f7f.jpeg

They closed the PABT due to overcrowding...

Pics on social media show many many many people standing around.

Greatest city in the world goes to total shit on the first snow.

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Originally Posted by k1052 (Post 8381020)

They closed the PABT due to overcrowding...

Pics on social media show many many many people standing around.

Greatest city in the world goes to total shit on the first snow.

Yeah, it's not even a bad snow but the traffic is insane (I'm stuck in it now). I'm clueless why the traffic is this bad.

Wait wut the Bayonne bridge is closed?

also eyes emoji:

https://i.imgur.com/p0IhRIW.png

M.T.A. Warns of Fare Increases and Service Cuts as Budget Crisis Looms

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The Metropolitan Transportation Authority is facing a looming budget crisis that could lead to major fare increases or drastic cuts to subway and bus service, officials warned Thursday.

The transit agency, which is still struggling to fix New York’s sputtering subway, needs an influx of new funding to avoid serious consequences for subway and bus riders, officials said.

The revelation over potential fare increases came the same week that Amazon was promised nearly $2 billion in incentives from the state to locate a headquarters in Long Island City, Queens. Mr. Cuomo and Mayor Bill de Blasio courted Amazon and have celebrated the decision, but the incentives have been widely criticized by local leaders.

The authority appears to be in its worst financial shape in a decade. Facing budget shortfalls after the 2008 recession, major fare increases and service cuts were approved. In 2010, the price of a monthly MetroCard jumped by 17 percent to $104 a month. It is now $121. The agency has raised fares every two years at a relatively modest rate as part of an agreement with the State Legislature.

“Riders have been paying more every two years for almost a decade,” said John Raskin, executive director of the Riders Alliance, an advocacy group. “But in that time, public transit service has deteriorated.”

Even with proposed fare and toll increases, the MTA still faces an almost $1 billion deficit by 2022

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MTA Proposes Raising Fares on Subway, Buses and Rails
Agency faces a nearly $1 billion deficit by 2022

The Metropolitan Transportation Authority on Thursday unveiled proposals to raise fares and tolls across the region as officials painted a bleak financial picture for the agency.

Even with the proposed fare and toll increases, the agency still faces an almost $1 billion deficit by 2022, the MTA’s chief financial officer warned board members at a meeting Thursday.

The MTA, which runs the subway, buses, Metro-North and Long Island railroads as well as nine bridges and tunnels, must find additional sources of revenue, Finance Chief Robert Foran said. Otherwise, he said, the agency could be forced to raise fares and tolls by significantly higher amounts in the coming years and to make significant service cuts.

Meanwhile.... :haha:

New York taxpayers to cough up $2.8 billion for Amazon HQ2

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Amazon and CEO Jeff Bezos are set to pocket about $4 billion from the two municipalities, and the total bill could come out to around $4.2 billion. That’s because New York and Arlington County, Virginia, will need to borrow money by issuing bonds to pay for the tax credits. The total means an additional $200 million in interest payments, based on New York and Arlington County’s most recently issued bond rates of about 5%.

Local elected officials in New York have already spoken out against the deal.

“Offering massive corporate welfare from scarce public resources to one of the wealthiest corporations in the world at a time of great need in our state is just wrong,” New York state Senator Michael Gianaris and New York City Council Member Jimmy Van Bramer wrote in an op-ed earlier this week.

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Originally Posted by k1052 (Post 8381055)

Wait wut the Bayonne bridge is closed?

also eyes emoji:

https://i.imgur.com/p0IhRIW.png

The New Bridge approaches are too steep for the plows or heavy trucks to climb so they closed it... The PA did a piss poor job at preventing icing and snow build up on their bridges , I would say half of the Cities Traffic during the storm was due to their closed bridges...

A Fantasy Map for Brooklyn’s Buses That’s Grounded in Reality

https://www.citylab.com/perspective/...w-york/575716/

https://cdn.citylab.com/media/img/ci...mod=1542651245

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Originally Posted by mrnyc (Post 8364782)

the subway is an old system that needs a lot of constant work.

This system needs to be almost completely rebuilt! This country needs to start doing great things again and take its infrastructure seriously.

I don't think anyone here would disagree with you. There needs to be an American infrastructure Marshall Plan that not only expands and modernizes our urban transport but also retrofits the suburban disaster of the last 60 years for a sustainable healthier future.

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The Gateway Program (originally Gateway Project) is the planned phased expansion and renovation of the Northeast Corridor (NEC) rail line between Newark, New Jersey, and New York City, New York. The right-of-way runs between Newark Penn Station and New York Penn Station (NYP). The project would build new rail bridges in the New Jersey Meadowlands and new tunnels under Bergen Hill (Hudson Palisades) and the Hudson River, and expand NYP through conversion of part of the James Farley Post Office into a train station and construction a terminal annex.

The existing two-track rail line used by both Amtrak and NJ Transit Rail Operations (NJT) has reached its full capacity of 24 trains per hour. Once completed, the improvements would double train capacity across the Hudson River to 48 trains per hour, allowing for additional high-speed rail service.

Gateway was unveiled in 2011, one year after Governor Chris Christie's cancellation of the somewhat similar Access to the Region's Core (ARC) project, and was originally projected to cost $14.5 billion and take 14 years to build.[2] As of 2016, the proposed project would cost about US$20 billion and would be completed in 2026.[3] Some previously planned improvements already underway were incorporated into the Gateway program. New construction of a "tunnel box" that would preserve the right-of-way on Manhattan's West Side began in September 2013, using $185 million in recovery and resilience funding from Hurricane Sandy in 2012.

The need for the Gateway Program increased after Hurricane Sandy damaged the existing North River tunnels.[4] A draft environmental impact statement for the Gateway Program was released in July 2017.[5] Funding for the project had been unclear for several years due to a lack of funding commitments from state and federal government.[6] As of March 2018, up to $541 million for the project was provided in the Consolidated Appropriations Act

did we mention here that second avenue subway phase two is underway?

heavy construction starts the end of 2019.

its scheduled to open in 2027.

or, err 2029.

yeah somewhere in that range.

perhaps.

oh and its three stops -- currently $5.5-6B costs estimate -- yep thats right -- $2B per station!!!:

http://secondavenuesagas.com/2018/11...-subway-stops/

Really? I had no idea Phase 2 was anywhere close to starting.

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Originally Posted by mrnyc (Post 8398812)

If those are the official projections then the actual date will be more like 2035 and the cost at least $10 Billion.

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