:haha:

https://nypost.com/2018/10/19/new-yo...ee-off-subway/

awww!

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/...outputType=amp

Just another day.

.... (hears music in the background)....... (music gets louder) ..... "ladies and gentlemen, my name is ....

" O shit... the subway dancers!" :runaway:

well good:


During L train shutdown, MTA plans to add thousands of trains for displaced riders

The agency announced Monday it will spend $27 million to add more than 1,000 trips each week across six lettered lines.


more:
https://www.amny.com/transit/l-train...own-1.22311753

^I had no idea!

Anger at NJ Transit overflows for second straight day as 111-year-old bridge fails again

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Credit: https://twitter.com/CtNYCommuteGal


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https://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/20...ils_again.html

This is the country that put men on the moon?

That was before the liberals put insane regulations on building anything which makes it take decades and billions of dollars just to replace a bridge that was built 100+ years ago. Things are going to get MUCH MUCH worse before they get better.

^ while its true liberals put up the regulations, its not like the insane right wingers have gotten us anywhere either. yuge tax cuts for the rich, running up the deficit, putting an adhd flip flopper in charge? not working for transit either. and yeah getting worse. for one thing that might help, the mta needs to divest itself from handling capital projects.

So wait, you think the Portal Bridge hasn't been replaced because the "hand of liberals" have made replacing an old RR bridge too expensive because of "regulations" (please share what all these ominous regulations are... or are you just referring to studies and EIS's) and NOT the FACT that the national railroad carrier is chronically underfunded for years (with many trying to purposefully destroy the NPRA since day one) and transit is underfunded with pathetic investment which is almost always done at the hands of conservatives???

Funding is an issue in the US to be sure, but the funding we have would go a hell of a lot further if infrastructure in the US didn't cost 5x as much as other 1st world countries (and 10x as much in the NYC area). Those outrageous costs are almost entirely due to liberal regulations and labor agreements. Fix these issues and I think voters would be much more receptive to paying for infrastructure because they could see their money going to good use instead of being squandered. Hell, the way it is now where it takes a decade of environmental studies and lawsuits before construction even starts half the electorate will probably be dead or moved out of state before a project is completed.

^ well you got that right.

but the fact is, you both do.

its both embarrassing underfunding and lengthy regulations and costs.

that's why capital work should be broken off from the mta.

i want my running the system $ clearly separated from my building the system $.

On the next piece of must pass legislation the NJ and NY delegations should insert language ending access for over height river traffic at Portal and order Amtrak to weld the motherfucker shut immediately.

The treatment plant upstream can rail or truck out it's sludge.

There seems to be about 101 different articles in the past two years about US v. Int'l infra costs, but for the life of me I don't see a takeaway that suggests that the "greedy" labor unions themselves are the main issue here. Why don't other organized labor heavy nations (pretty much all of Europe) have these same outrageous costs? Maybe the breakdown is the accountability for efficiency/productivity and cost overruns with the private unionized contractors and the bondholders i.e. government agencies?

This article does a good job explaining in part how the unions are responsible for a lot of the cost overruns.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/28/n...ion-costs.html

However, you are right that unions aren't the only problem of course. The entire incentive structure is set up so that everyone involved makes more money the longer and more expensive they can make the project. Literally nobody is looking to reduce costs because the unions are so politically powerful that politicians are scared to try and take them on.

why do new yorkers put up with this? isn't it supposed to be a city where everyone demands the best and that's why they pay more for almost everything? why do people who live in the city tolerate this nonsense?

i'm genuinely curious--or is the MTA back in working order now?

^ they dont put up with it. people in the city are fuming mad about declining service issues.

the problem is its run by the state.

people say the governor is doing it on purpose because he doesnt like the mayor. even if true, its not just that though. the subway is an old system that needs a lot of constant work.

Unfortunately, ignorance. I work with a lot of people who have had hellish commutes the past 2-3 days, and none of them had ever even heard of the Portal Bridge. When people don't know what the actual root cause is, then it's easy for politicians to promise to fix it, not do anything, and claim they fixed it or pass blame. Or because people don't know what the root cause is, they don't know where to focus their frustration.

Of course, if something is making your life significantly worse on a daily basis, it wouldn't kill them to pull their phones out while their train is delayed 2-3 hours and figure out what's going on, but that's just me.

^ and then when they figure it out make a few pointed phone calls to elected officials!