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VKChaz Aug 6, 2024 5:32 PM

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Originally Posted by aaron38 (Post 10259876)

I don't know how many delegates will be using this as they get shuttled around and, if it is like the RNC in Milwaukee, stay within their secure zone. But good for volunteers and other workers

mattropolis Aug 6, 2024 5:40 PM

Looks like a nice station and a well needed infill location. Is it the closest station to the United Center?
Looks like the pink and blue lines come close? Looking at the map on Urbanrail dot net, seems like there is no transfer station between the pink and blue lines?
https://www.urbanrail.net/am/chic/chicago-rail-map.png

Steely Dan Aug 6, 2024 5:51 PM

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Originally Posted by mattropolis (Post 10260103)
Is it the closest station to the United Center?

Yes, this is now the closest L stop to the UC.

Gmaps walk times to a UC entrance from the 3 L stations around the UC:

Damen green line: 8 minutes

IMD blue line: 10 minutes

Ashland green/pink: 13 minutes



A theoretical future pink line stop at Madison would be the closest an L station could get to the UC, at only a 4 minute walk.

ardecila Aug 6, 2024 5:55 PM

Correct, no transfer between Pink and Blue. Until 2008 they were two branches of the same line, so there was no need for a dedicated transfer station.

CTA may build a Pink Line station close to the United Center in conjunction with the big "1901 Project" just announced by the UC owners to build up their parking lots with mixed-use development. That's probably ~10 years out at least, unless the UC wants to pay for it themselves (unlikely).

The Pink Line also runs short 4-car trains, which are not ideal for gameday crowds. If a UC stop is added, CTA will need to run longer trains and build the infrastructure (longer platforms, bigger yards, etc) in order to do so.

left of center Aug 6, 2024 6:01 PM

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Originally Posted by ardecila (Post 10260122)
Correct, no transfer between Pink and Blue. Until 2008 they were two branches of the same line, so there was no need for a dedicated transfer station.

Would love to see one built one day. Ideally as part of a larger Circle Line plan, but I'll take it piecemeal as well.

aaron38 Aug 6, 2024 6:50 PM

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Originally Posted by mattropolis (Post 10260103)
seems like there is no transfer station between the pink and blue lines?

It's an 8 minute walk from the Pink Line Polk station to the Blue line Medical center stop, cutting through the medical center itself.

Does the CTA offer transfers for situations like that?

SIGSEGV Aug 6, 2024 7:05 PM

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Originally Posted by aaron38 (Post 10260172)
It's an 8 minute walk from the Pink Line Polk station to the Blue line Medical center stop, cutting through the medical center itself.

Does the CTA offer transfers for situations like that?

You typically get a transfer within 2 hours of going through the faregate or tapping on a bus (which you can even abuse for a round trip, if you're quick enough...)

aaron38 Aug 9, 2024 9:56 PM

New plans announced for redesigning part of DuSable Lake Shore Drive
https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/othe...d0aca45c&ei=70

Interesting renderings in the article. But I had to laugh at this:
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Dozens of protesters showed up outside Truman College where the $3.4 billion plan was shared. They want bus-only lanes, light rail or other options to reduce the roughly 160,000 cars that commute on it daily.
Yeah, and I want a flying car and millions of dollars. These protesters are not serious people. Take what you can get.

ardecila Aug 9, 2024 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by aaron38 (Post 10262418)
New plans announced for redesigning part of DuSable Lake Shore Drive
https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/othe...d0aca45c&ei=70

Interesting renderings in the article. But I had to laugh at this:


Yeah, and I want a flying car and millions of dollars. These protesters are not serious people. Take what you can get.

Why is it crazy to paint one lane red (out of four) for buses, when buses are already carrying 20-30% of the total people on Lake Shore Drive? There should absolutely be a bus lane, with the remaining 3 lanes for private cars.

Light rail is probably not the right solution; the bus routes can exit LSD and drop off people where they live, on local streets like Sheridan, Broadway, etc. A light rail line would be limited to LSD itself, and a lot fewer people would live or work near the stations since the highway runs mostly through parkland.

aaron38 Aug 9, 2024 10:41 PM

Which lane is the dedicated bus lane? The right lane, so all cars coming on/off LSD have to cross over and will clog up the lane at every exit? Or the left lane and the busses have to cross all the way over and back?

I'm fine with the concept of bus lanes on the interior streets where busses are making constant stops every other block and the bus lane includes the bus stops themselves. But the whole point of a freeway like LSD is for all traffic to move smoothly. There are no bus stops.

The bus lanes should be on the west where the buildings are. And in the renderings here, that's where they're shown. This looks good, with no bus lanes on the high speed portion.
https://northdusablelsd.org/wp-conte...erings_All.pdf

Steely Dan Aug 9, 2024 10:48 PM

LSD revamp plan is currently a horrendous waste of money for nothing but cars, and CARS, and even more fucking CARS!!!!

Par for the course from our stupid-ass state DOT.

Thank God we have some noble and serious citizens of our fine city pushing back against it.

Keep fighting the good fight, Chicagoans!

Bonsai Tree Aug 10, 2024 1:00 AM

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Originally Posted by aaron38 (Post 10262441)
Which lane is the dedicated bus lane? The right lane, so all cars coming on/off LSD have to cross over and will clog up the lane at every exit? Or the left lane and the busses have to cross all the way over and back?

I'm fine with the concept of bus lanes on the interior streets where busses are making constant stops every other block and the bus lane includes the bus stops themselves. But the whole point of a freeway like LSD is for all traffic to move smoothly. There are no bus stops.

The bus lanes should be on the west where the buildings are. And in the renderings here, that's where they're shown. This looks good, with no bus lanes on the high speed portion.
https://northdusablelsd.org/wp-conte...erings_All.pdf

? Clearly the concept of the LSD express buses is foreign to you. Thousands of people rely on those daily.

ardecila Aug 12, 2024 2:30 PM

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Originally Posted by aaron38 (Post 10262441)
Or the left lane and the busses have to cross all the way over and back?

Yes, the bus lane would be the left lane. Crossing over to exit is not some insurmountable barrier, but when IDOT had a plan with bus lanes "the Exchange" there was a separate fly-under ramp from the center bus lanes to N Michigan.

I would love if they downgraded LSD to a boulevard as some advocates want - it's cheaper to build, safer for everyone, and quieter/less noise pollution. However, I know that's a reach and I will personally be happy if they add a proper bus lane. The fact they couldn't even do that is insulting, given how many people rely on those buses (up to 30% of all LSD users are bus riders).

VKChaz Aug 12, 2024 5:19 PM

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Originally Posted by ardecila (Post 10263260)
Yes, the bus lane would be the left lane. Crossing over to exit is not some insurmountable barrier, but when IDOT had a plan with bus lanes "the Exchange" there was a separate fly-under ramp from the center bus lanes to N Michigan.

I would love if they downgraded LSD to a boulevard as some advocates want - it's cheaper to build, safer for everyone, and quieter/less noise pollution. However, I know that's a reach and I will personally be happy if they add a proper bus lane. The fact they couldn't even do that is insulting, given how many people rely on those buses (up to 30% of all LSD users are bus riders).

What are the speed limit plans? Currently much of it is 40 but with drivers seemingly around 60. If even the current limit was enforced, it would help with the character of the Drive

ardecila Aug 12, 2024 7:30 PM

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Originally Posted by VKChaz (Post 10263364)
What are the speed limit plans? Currently much of it is 40 but with drivers seemingly around 60. If even the current limit was enforced, it would help with the character of the Drive

Agreed! But CPD can't be bothered to do speed enforcement, and cameras are currently banned on DLSD by state law.

Part of my gripe with the current design plans is that, by upgrading to full expressway standards (wide lanes, shoulders, broad curves, etc) they are sending the message to drivers that higher speeds are OK. If there is no serious enforcement, then most drivers will ignore the posted speed limit and go as fast as they feel comfortable.

If the speed limit is 40mph, then the road should be designed accordingly with tighter curves, no shoulders and narrower lanes.

Nouvellecosse Aug 12, 2024 8:46 PM

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Originally Posted by ardecila (Post 10263455)
Agreed! But CPD can't be bothered to do speed enforcement, and cameras are currently banned on DLSD by state law.

Part of my gripe with the current design plans is that, by upgrading to full expressway standards (wide lanes, shoulders, broad curves, etc) they are sending the message to drivers that higher speeds are OK. If there is no serious enforcement, then most drivers will ignore the posted speed limit and go as fast as they feel comfortable.

If the speed limit is 40mph, then the road should be designed accordingly with tighter curves, no shoulders and narrower lanes.

Not only does it send the message that faster is ok, but it's wasting money to make a road capable of higher speeds if that capability isn't needed.

Chi-Sky21 Aug 13, 2024 1:14 AM

People , this road is already constructed so that nobody should pass over it on foot, so we just need to accept that this is the eastern most north south expressway, hence the underpasses. In case you are not keeping track EVERYONE is driving faster, cops and cameras are not going to make a difference. In my humble worthless opinion there should be inner drive bus lane option. Not sure on how that would look but that is the way to go.

Nouvellecosse Aug 13, 2024 3:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Chi-Sky21 (Post 10263630)
People , this road is already constructed so that nobody should pass over it on foot, so we just need to accept that this is the eastern most north south expressway, hence the underpasses. In case you are not keeping track EVERYONE is driving faster, cops and cameras are not going to make a difference. In my humble worthless opinion there should be inner drive bus lane option. Not sure on how that would look but that is the way to go.

I've never heard of an expressway with a speed limit of 40mph. Maybe things are a lot different there, but around here the lowest tends to be about 50 with most being 60-70mph. So it may not have been intended as an expressway at all and was instead just over-constructed for its intended purpose. Something common with every road type in NA where even some quiet side streets have stuff like overly wide lanes and rounded corners because people falsely think it's safer and to accommodate fire trucks.

Klippenstein Aug 13, 2024 1:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Chi-Sky21 (Post 10263630)
People , this road is already constructed so that nobody should pass over it on foot, so we just need to accept that this is the eastern most north south expressway, hence the underpasses. In case you are not keeping track EVERYONE is driving faster, cops and cameras are not going to make a difference. In my humble worthless opinion there should be inner drive bus lane option. Not sure on how that would look but that is the way to go.

There are buses that use the inner drive, but we're talking about express buses that do not stop until they arrive downtown.

Chi-Sky21 Aug 14, 2024 2:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Klippenstein (Post 10263782)
There are buses that use the inner drive, but we're talking about express buses that do not stop until they arrive downtown.

I know this, i am saying to maybe have some sort of lane or system to make it express on the inner or between the inner and outer.


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