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maru2501 Apr 8, 2019 3:42 PM

cursed.. but someone may have to take a billion profit instead of a trillion

k1052 Apr 8, 2019 3:53 PM

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Originally Posted by maru2501 (Post 8533290)
cursed.. but someone may have to take a billion profit instead of a trillion

Or wait till the neighboring sites get built on and just fill the whole thing with high end 2 story townhomes on cul-du-sacs. Minimal infrastructure needed.

Goose Island Guru Apr 8, 2019 6:03 PM

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Originally Posted by k1052 (Post 8533309)
Or wait till the neighboring sites get built on and just fill the whole thing with high end 2 story townhomes on cul-du-sacs. Minimal infrastructure needed.

Not sure what Related paid for the lot, but I doubt that level of infill would cover the cost of the land. Not to mention that would be a horrendous use of river front acreage.

k1052 Apr 8, 2019 7:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Goose Island Guru (Post 8533504)
Not sure what Related paid for the lot, but I doubt that level of infill would cover the cost of the land. Not to mention that would be a horrendous use of river front acreage.

It would depend on what they could cram onto the site and at what price points but I'd think they could do rather well. Riverfront townhomes, no mater how petite would likely command a major premium.

ardecila Apr 8, 2019 10:31 PM

The game's not over yet. This is a major part of Rahm's legacy, I don't think he would let it just slip though his fingers.

I'm sure David Reifman will be up late tonight and tomorrow night trying to get more public benefit out of the two megaprojects. Or Sterling Bay and Related already have some concessions ready to go that can be unveiled tomorrow. There's still a chance it could get approved by Wednesday.

Right now the vote is only delayed until Wednesday morning before the full City Council meets, so it could still pass if a deal is cut.

Failing that, it would be great to be a fly on the wall in that conversation between Lightfoot and Emanuel. So far it appears Lightfoot is pro-development but wants to make sure everything is squeaky clean with these two projects given the involvement of Danny Solis and Ed Burke. Ideally pay-to-play gets replaced with play-all-you-want-for-free.

k1052 Apr 10, 2019 4:22 PM

Ordinances for TIF passed. Done.

maru2501 Apr 10, 2019 4:23 PM

full council voting RIGHT NOW

the urban politician Apr 10, 2019 4:50 PM

I'm assuming "approved"?

Why does this project get far less fanfare than Lincoln Yards?

k1052 Apr 10, 2019 4:51 PM

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Originally Posted by the urban politician (Post 8535717)
I'm assuming "approved"?

Why does this project get far less fanfare than Lincoln Yards?

Yes.

Because it's not sandwiched between wealthy north side neighborhoods.

bnk Apr 10, 2019 5:05 PM

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Originally Posted by the urban politician (Post 8535717)
I'm assuming "approved"?

Why does this project get far less fanfare than Lincoln Yards?

Yes


And to me the 78 is way more important imo

This

https://suntimesmedia.files.wordpres...g?w=1024&h=683

vs

https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/ft6l...ortheast.0.jpg

A rendering of The 78, a mixed-use development slated for a vacant 62-acre riverfront site between Chicago’s South Loop and Chinatown. Related Midwest


https://chicago.curbed.com/2019/4/10...e-city-council




City Council approves $2B in TIF money for Lincoln Yards, The 78
The votes represent the final legislative hurdle for the transformative megadevelopments



By Jay Koziarz Apr 10, 2019, 11:47am CDT


On Wednesday morning City Hall approved up to $2 billion in tax increment financing (TIF) to support the massive Lincoln Yards and The 78 megadevelopments.



..


The TIF measures would essentially freeze real estate taxes for both vacant sites at their current levels and reimburse the developers for fronting the costs of infrastructure improvements with the incremental tax revenue generated by the completed projects over the next two decades.

Developer Sterling Bay’s Lincoln Yards plan calls for as much as for $1.3 billion in TIF spending to cover the cost of new bridges over the Chicago River, an extension of the 606 trail, and a realignment of the Elston-Armitage-Ashland intersection. Related Midwest’s The 78 is seeking $700 million to relocate Metra rail tracks, build new roads, and construct a new CTA Red Line subway station.

When complete, the 14.5 million-square-foot Lincoln Yards development would bring new office towers, 6,000 residential units, and 21 acres of parkspace to 55 acres of formerly industrial riverfront land between Lincoln Park and Bucktown. On the river’s south branch, The 78 calls for 13 million square feet of buildings supporting 10,000 residential units, 24,000 on-site jobs, and a university-affiliated innovation center.

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the urban politician Apr 10, 2019 5:30 PM

^ I agree that the 78 is more important. Plus I'm thrilled about a new red line station.

I actually think that 78 will be a sleeper hit.

ardecila Apr 10, 2019 6:54 PM

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Originally Posted by k1052 (Post 8535722)
Yes.

Because it's not sandwiched between wealthy north side neighborhoods.

Not just that, there are significant differences between the two projects that have been discussed in this thread previously.

The 78 was always going to have a big mixed-use development on it, back in the Rezko days, back with Goldberg's master plan for River City in the 1970s, and even in the 1920s when the river was being straightened this site was supposed to be an extension of downtown. The 78 is just the culmination of something decades in the making. Even Dearborn Park residents have always known that something big would eventually go here once the planets aligned.

Also, the 78's site is "out of sight, out of mind" - to Dearborn Parkers, Chinatown residents, and South Loop residents, this site exists on the other side of big infrastructural walls. It's not part of their neighborhoods.

Finally, and this is something that only matters to urban planners and us forumers: The 78 is just a better-planned development. It will have a proper connective street grid, a CTA subway station and probably water taxis and new bus routes to link it into downtown, which is directly adjacent (only a mile to Union Station). Given the design and location, it could actually function as a true transit-oriented neighborhood, so it will not cause the traffic armageddon that Lincoln Yards will.

Baronvonellis Apr 10, 2019 7:10 PM

Yes!! Build baby, Build!!!!:cheers:

maru2501 Apr 10, 2019 7:29 PM

agree, ardecila

once it gets going it could have a lot of gravitational pull and attract a lot of the residential need and office overflow

lincoln yards always seems out of place up there

BonoboZill4 Apr 10, 2019 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by ardecila (Post 8535908)
Not just that, there are significant differences between the two projects that have been discussed in this thread previously.

The 78 was always going to have a big mixed-use development on it, back in the Rezko days, back with Goldberg's master plan for River City in the 1970s, and even in the 1920s when the river was being straightened this site was supposed to be an extension of downtown. The 78 is just the culmination of something decades in the making. Even Dearborn Park residents have always known that something big would eventually go here once the planets aligned.

Also, the 78's site is "out of sight, out of mind" - to Dearborn Parkers, Chinatown residents, and South Loop residents, this site exists on the other side of big infrastructural walls. It's not part of their neighborhoods.

Finally, and this is something that only matters to urban planners and us forumers: The 78 is just a better-planned development. It will have a proper connective street grid, a CTA subway station and probably water taxis and new bus routes to link it into downtown, which is directly adjacent (only a mile to Union Station). Given the design and location, it could actually function as a true transit-oriented neighborhood, so it will not cause the traffic armageddon that Lincoln Yards will.

Exactly, the 78 has all the ingredients to succeed in financial, political, and on an urban planning perspectives alike. Lincoln Yards has all the ingredients to flop (other than getting undeserved TIF dollars). It'll be cool to compare how both projects look in 10-15 years, and see if my guess is accurate

HomrQT Apr 11, 2019 1:26 AM

Are these the final building designs or just general massings?

lakeshoredrive Apr 11, 2019 2:04 AM

is it possible for a supertall to be built in the 78? it would definitely balance the skyline. i am not sure what the zoning is for this site.

bnk Apr 11, 2019 2:05 AM

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Originally Posted by HomrQT (Post 8536423)
Are these the final building designs or just general massings?



Just general massings

RedCorsair87 Apr 11, 2019 2:12 AM

Last I read, The 78 is zoned to 950'. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

BonoboZill4 Apr 11, 2019 2:13 AM

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Originally Posted by lakeshoredrive (Post 8536450)
is it possible for a supertall to be built in the 78? it would definitely balance the skyline. i am not sure what the zoning is for this site.

Possible? Yeah, anything is technically possible for a project of this scale, but right now it isn't zoned for such height... Wouldn't be terribly surprising if they decided they wanted one big trophy tower though at the end, kind of like how LSE got Vista Tower so close to its culmination.


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