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Hudson11 Nov 4, 2018 6:01 PM


Originally Posted by Zapatan (Post 8368067)
Hudson I thought the same thing, it is basically just a modern GE Tower.

I think there was an interview where someone went on record and said that was their goal. Well, mission accomplished. Kind of. It's not quite the copycat architecture of China, but you'd expect something more original for Chicago.

BonoboZill4 Nov 4, 2018 6:10 PM

I guess that's why I like it. 30 Rock has always been one of my favorite skyscrapers in the world. Love the review brah reaction video there though Hudson :haha:

Notyrview Nov 4, 2018 6:35 PM


Originally Posted by sentinel (Post 8368043)

I feel like there's good diva reference here but can't quite put my finger on it.

Anyway, i concur. Thanks for another banal design.

Zapatan Nov 4, 2018 6:51 PM

Aside from the 100+ foot height cut, I can't say I hate it. It's basically the same, just fatter and the top is a bit different.

I'm not thrilled but still excited for that area of the river to be filled nonetheless.

Any word on a start date?

BVictor1 Nov 4, 2018 7:24 PM


Originally Posted by spyguy (Post 8368026)
Well, it's certainly gotten shorter and fatter with more setbacks at the top

It's visually stubby and certainly inferior to what could be.

Disappointing... Again

Kngkyle Nov 4, 2018 7:30 PM

The crown could look quite stunning lit up at night, especially if the top-most section is a video wall.

The height reduction is unfortunate but I actually prefer the additional setbacks in the new design. If only it were stretched to ~1100 feet, then it would have the right proportions.

10023 Nov 4, 2018 7:34 PM

Nothing special at all. That site calls for a landmark.

left of center Nov 4, 2018 9:24 PM

Oye... they really butchered that crown. It looks so much more cluttered and bulky now... it lost the graceful and soaring feel of the previous design. And the height reduction, while normally not necessarily a big deal IMO, definitely isn't a welcome change for such a prominent and visible location.

Pretty disappointed.

k1052 Nov 4, 2018 10:27 PM

Eh it's a less elegant design and a shame about the height but not entirely unexpected. Hopefully the lease discussions are on a positive trajectory.

rgolch Nov 5, 2018 12:07 AM

From focal point to filler.

Looks almost table toppped on wolf point in that rendering since there isn't enough difference in height between the 3 buildings.

bnk Nov 5, 2018 1:21 AM


Originally Posted by BVictor1 (Post 8368175)
It's visually stubby and certainly inferior to what could be.

Disappointing... Again

Disturbing and unable in the future to fix this stub.

"Make no little plans" does not apply here.

HomrQT Nov 5, 2018 1:25 AM

As much a I appreciate the deco touches, the height decreases here are taking the magic out of this site .

Fvn Nov 5, 2018 1:27 AM

I was curious what it would look like if one of the tiers in the top was a double the height so I messed around it little with it and got this--
Also, I changed the overall height of the tower (not just at the top) and it does look better but I think just changing the top as I did would be a major improvement

left of center Nov 5, 2018 1:30 AM

^ Looks a lot more aesthetically balanced with the additional height.

Zapatan Nov 5, 2018 1:34 AM


Originally Posted by bnk (Post 8368439)
Disturbing and unable in the future to fix this stub

Maybe JPMorgan will knock it down and build a bigger one like they're doing to an existing NY skyscraper in Midtown :haha:

But yea, crap...


"Make no little plans" does not apply here.
Did someone (involved with the project) really say that? Man did they not follow through, although I guess "little" is subjective.

Zapatan Nov 5, 2018 1:35 AM


Originally Posted by left of center (Post 8368447)
^ Looks a lot more aesthetically balanced with the additional height.

I agree, give it another 200 feet and this thing is fine.

It's better than an empty lot but still a wasted opportunity. I like the design, the height doesn't really wow me though.

bnk Nov 5, 2018 1:42 AM


Originally Posted by Zapatan (Post 8368454)

Did someone (involved with the project) really say that? Man did they not follow through, although I guess "little" is subjective.

That's a Danial Burnham quote.

"Make no little plans; they have no magic to stir men's blood and probably themselves will not be realized. Make big plans; aim high in hope and work, remembering that a noble, logical diagram once recorded will never die, but long after we are gone be a living thing, asserting itself with ever-growing insistency. Remember that our sons and our grandsons are going to do things that would stagger us. Let your watchword be order and your beacon beauty. "

The guy died too young at 65 of Diabetes. Now we have multiple choices of treating that including the gold standard that is all types of Insulin. Plus all of the oral antidiabetic medications he should have lived to a ripe old age into the late 70's to 80's in this day in age.

Daniel Burnham, in full Daniel Hudson Burnham, (born September 4, 1846, Henderson, New York, U.S.—died June 1, 1912, Heidelberg, Germany)

He was young enough to remember or even be part of the Great Civil War that the direct cause was because the confederate traitor south wanted to keep blacks as slaves and in chattel chains for eternity. Luckily Good old Abe had something to say about that, and saved the Union and the total USA in the process.

He is kind of a demi god in the Chicago architectural astute circles around here. The man has statues dedicated to him.

Like a president Washington when it comes to semi modern architecture.

Like Washington crossing the Pentomic river in the revolutionary war. But he is a skyscraper nerd of the highest level.

He would not even have to be involved here most top level people are not but I am sure they check on this site and others to see how others view them.

That said if he was alive today he would have had thousands of lurkis by now, just like other high profile archs currently do, I am sure of that.

Scroll down to publications....

chris08876 Nov 5, 2018 3:57 AM


Originally Posted by r18tdi (Post 8365439)
OMG it definitely looked exactly like 9/11. One hundred percent. Not being sarcastic here at all. /sarcasm


Originally Posted by MorganChi (Post 8365389)

Keeping an eye on the White Castle where the NIMBYS reside (SNob Hill).

chris08876 Nov 5, 2018 4:04 AM

On a serious note, this is kinda a bummer when you think about it. A lackluster design, in a highly visible, aesthetically prime location. This area demands something better. You can stick this somewhere else among the masses of skyscrapers, but location is key. Always a shame when lackluster designs will inhabit locations that demand the best. Not half ass creativity, but visionary works that break boundaries, and wind up on architectural books for decades to come as role-models. Designs that inspire.

This is not it! 111 W57th... 9 Dekalb... those inspire. Sears...John Hancock, those inspire.

This will get lost in the ether of lackluster developments. Just a few % points higher than a Kaufman design.

The base is okay... but it looks like the rendering software crashed near the crown and artifacts occurred.

Steely Dan Nov 5, 2018 3:43 PM

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please stay on-topic, folks.

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