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The nadir from New York must have been 1976 when Taxi Driver was filmed. One of my all time favorite movies. New York was mightly bleak in the late 70s and early 80s.
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Philadelphia lost more people in the 70's, but the city hit rock bottom in 1990 when it almost went into default. It began a very slow turnaround in the 90's and it took a long time to pick up speed. I'm just worried it's crime wave, and yes I know it's a national trend right now, is going to derail 25 years of progress...but he city has a much better footing economically then it did in the 70's and 80's as it was shedding the last of it' 20th Century manufactoring sector that it has been shedding for a few decades.
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I don't think there is any area in Philly even in the badlands that look as bad as the bronx in that era. Like you mentioned Philly has a better footing economically now then ever before even with all the b/s going on, if we had even half of NY economic jobs, and etc we wouldnt see a lot of the problems we are seeing today. |
To be fair, most of those South Bronx devastation videos are showing the same few blocks, around Charlotte Street. There was really only one small geography that had the post-apocalyptic look. The Bronx was bad but that area was a massive outlier. If you lived on the Grand Concourse, the main street of the South Bronx, there was never abandonment.
And I'm not sure that films reflect reality so much as a general gestalt. You can see films turn negative towards urbanity in the late 60's, which roughly corresponds with when cities became very troubled, but it's a bit more nuanced than this. |
yeah the 80s were schizo. as you can clearly see as exemplified from the bx there — the early early 80s were the nadir of cities, a trend that started in the late 60s. however, yeah the yuppie era and the basquiat artsy era led to a revival in interest of cities. definitely a corner was turning by the mid to late 80s for cities.
btw the last bx is burning era lots were almost all redeveloped only within the past five to ten years, with more continuing. thats a long time of steady rebuilding to replace such an epic fail era, but thats how bad it was. like a clearcut forest in a sea of poverty. |
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this movie seems pure cheese today, but when I saw it as a teen in the later 90s it made 80s NY look like a cesspool of crime and debauchery. surreal to the point and corny enough you knew it was fantasy but still made NY seem attractive to most males looking for fun and excitement :haha:
I remember pre-Wikipedia trying to scour the internet for more info on the real life Alphabet City (did everyone or at least all Italian American dudes want a Camaro or I-ROC after this film:D) |
I don't know if suburbia or the city was at its peak, but the mall was. Some cities prospered, some didn't, some suburbs prospered, some didn't.
Was there such a thing as a declining mall in the 80s? Were there any? |
The Bay Area might be unique in that I don’t think the suburbs have actually peaked yet. The suburbs here seem to be growing and expanding at a faster pace than its core city, SF, which is still struggling to recover from the pandemic especially with WFH. The suburbs are busier than ever and downtown SF is still remarkably sleepy. I saw something that said the suburban mall Santana Row has already surpassed its pre-pandemic activity levels. Valley Fair mall is expanding like crazy as well.
There’s currently 19.9 million square feet of vacant office space in SF and it’s continuing to grow as companies are starting to conduct layoffs and/or consolidate office space. |
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From 1960 to 1989, Salt Lake lost 29,518 people - or a little over 16% of its entire 1960 population.
The city sucked. Mo one wanted to live in it. There just wasn't a draw, especially for Mormons who had bigger families and wanted bigger homes, so, they moved out to the suburbs. It's funny because my grandparents lived in the city their entire lives. But all their kids moved out to the suburbs - all but one: my mom. So, we were the only ones who lived in the city (1990s). |
Bigger cities do have different types of suburbs. For true, inner ring suburbs (think like the 50s dream), I think the peak was somewhere in the 1970s. By the 80s, the cracks had begun as the exburbs and beyond developed. I think of some popular media from the 80s like Back to the Future. The 80s depiction of 'Hill Valley', a fictional LA-area suburb, is somewhat negative especially compared to the 50s depiction and I think there is truth in that.
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IMO, the 1970s was the bottom for most, if not all, US cities. Manufacturing economy was going down the toilet. The downtown gentrification had not really begun. Crime was far higher than it is today. Cities infrastructure problems causing blackouts. Labor strikes were more common (the philadelphia school district went on strike 7 times in the 1970s). The local cultural institutions that helped stabilize many urban neighborhoods for generations died a hard death in that era. |
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