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ethereal_reality Apr 10, 2016 8:57 PM

:previous: Great to see the downtown offices of the Matson Line Hoss.

I believe this is the pier where the Matson Lines ships docked.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...921/Cj9n9K.jpg

But I'm not 100% sure, because the website where i found the photograph is defunct.
https://portlaarchives.wordpress.com/

It shows up for a second, then poof. Gone.

ethereal_reality Apr 10, 2016 9:03 PM

:previous: OK, I was right.

Here's the same pier in 1968. This slide is labeled "Matson Line Pier".

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/922/OVU0ve.jpg
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Original-Sli...-/401102082037

-no doubt the two slides were taken from a Matson Line ship. -pretty cool huh

(The phone-booth is more modern in this pic, so I'd guess the previous slide is from an earlier date, perhaps the mid-1950s)

"Matson Line Pier in Los Angeles, 1968."
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ethereal_reality Apr 10, 2016 9:24 PM

It's me again. :)

I believe this is a slide of the ship that's docking in the previous pic. They're from the same eBay seller and both are dated 1968.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...922/5XyV6O.jpg
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Original-Sli...-/401102082035

"Original Slide, Matson Lines Ocean Liner SS Lurline (ex SS Monterey) in 1968."
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Martin Pal Apr 10, 2016 9:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 7402062)
I just found this interesting snapshot on eBay.

"Pasadena, after the Rose Parade, 1941."

I'm glad no one littered. ;)

Yes, thanks for posting it! You'd think that someone at the event there would've taken more than this one photo.

I have never understood why people who gather in large groups, whether it be for something like the Rose Parade, or in stadiums for sports games or even movie theaters, just seem to be fine with dropping all of their litter or worse wherever they happen to feel like. I've never done that and I don't recall my parents ever teaching me to behave that way. It just seems common sense that if you wouldn't do it at home that you wouldn't do it anyplace else. Call me :koko:.

ethereal_reality Apr 10, 2016 11:52 PM

Day Trippers

Here's a fine looking group dressed to the nines, arriving in Santa Monica on the Pasadena & Pacific RR, 1896.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/923/ZGoT0E.jpg
http://www.ebay.com/itm/SANTA-MONICA...IAAOSwJQdW~c27

I am in awe of the way they're dressed up.

reverse
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800...921/jO0buk.jpg
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ethereal_reality Apr 11, 2016 12:43 AM

'mystery' photograph.


The only information with this photo is "932. S. Hope St., Los Angeles, 1922"

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...923/WQg97A.jpg
http://lit250v.library.ucla.edu/isla...t/laviews%3A92

Does anyone know what building this is/was?

here's the area today.
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800...924/eeABQg.jpg
google_earth
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Hoss, thanks for narrowing down the location of the 1958 'car-wash' photo.
I believe you're correct, the tall bldg. is the Carnation building. I tried to find that nice looking apartment behind the fund-raisers on the right, but came up empty.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800...923/pRfepR.jpg

John Maddox Roberts Apr 11, 2016 2:13 AM

I'm guessing it's because everybody knew that after a parade (usually involving lots of horses) it would be followed immediately by a large sweep-up crew.

ethereal_reality Apr 11, 2016 2:40 AM

I happened across this poster from 1964 and the address caught my eye.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/921/13RJm5.jpg
http://www.johnnythompsonmusic.com/m...adhunters.html


It turns out, the address is smack dab in the middle of industrial Vernon.




Here's the old Union Hall building and an aerial.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...924/RKx64U.jpg
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...921/ILzJ5d.jpg
gsv / google_earth

Can you imagine the swarm of cars looking for this place back in 1964.



From the side you get a glimpse of the building's high roof. -a pretty good place for a concert I guess.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...922/F57xo5.jpg
gsv
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'Cannibal and the Headhunters' were straight out of Ramona Gardens in East L.A.

Here they are posing with Marvin Gaye.
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800...922/gmNQ6C.jpg
http://www.johnnythompsonmusic.com/m...adhunters.html


They had a hit called "Land of a Thousand Dances."

I didn't think I had heard of it until I played it on youtube and recognized it immediately.

If you want to hear it, go here.:)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZiZ6KhlkKrY

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Slauson Slim Apr 11, 2016 4:59 AM

In the early to 1960s to about 1968 there was a big East LA music scene, later called the The Eastside Sound, with public dances every weekend and sometimes during the week, and bands also appearing at high schools, junior high schools and church halls. The sound was R&B and Soul based, with British Invasion and Doo-Wop thrown in.

The bands and followers were mostly Mexican-American. It was our scene and our sound - I used to go to the dances even though I lived in South Central.

Bands included Thee Midniters, The Premiers, Ronnie and the Pomona Casuals, The Slauson Brothers, Cannibal and the Headhunters, The Blendells, The Jaguars, The Romancers, The Salas Brothers and many others.

Venues include the Montebello Ballroom, Big Union - pictured above, Little Union, St. Alphonsus - the ones I recall, but there are others.

It was a wonderful, vibrant scene, with great music, kids dressed up and going out and dancing.

Cannibal and the Headhunters and The Premiers made it nationally - having charted hits, touring and on television. Thee Midniters were extremely popular, appearing several times every week in various venues and making real money. I remember girls getting their arms and other body parts autographed by Little Wille G, their lead singer.

The scene died out, I think, due to the Vietnam War taking many young men into military service, the rise of Chicano Power, the school walkouts and political consciousness, cultural shifting toward hippies, and teenagers growing up.

Link to Mark Guerrero's page - he was there in bands: http://markguerrero.com/main.php

Here's a link to some show flyers:http://www.markguerrero.com/flyer_12.php

Wig-Wag Apr 11, 2016 5:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 7401754)
detail
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/640...921/UXAj1M.jpg
:previous:

HH, I've had the photo below for quite sometime and always wondered why the description includes "a little Dummey" R.R."

But perhaps in this case it means something entirely different, since the locomotive isn't camouflaged as you described.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...923/RD135p.jpg
old file/UC Berkeley, Bancroft Library

translation:

"A little Dummey R.R. that runs from the end of Temple St. Cable R.R. at Hoover St., to foot at East Hollywood.
The engineer was 18 years old and his brother, the fireman, 16. [1892].
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ER, the origins of the term Dummy Line are a bit murky. One apparently derived from the silencing equipment on the steam engines so as not to alarm horses, hence the covering of the locomotive to disguise its reciprocating motion, and the addition of a muffling stack. Most of these locomotives were built before the invention of the superheater, and as a result were a bit quieter than larger, more modern locomotives that came later. Another is timber companies built spur lines along ridges across the south and logged the slopes on either side. These lines were also called dummy lines (because they weren't considered a "real" rail line connecting one community to another.

Regarding the delivery of new locomotives. Narrow gauge locomotives were shipped on flatcars, as were small standard gauge engines. Engines and tender were usually separated and loaded on two separate cars along with any additional parts. Large NG locos were shipped on flatcars broken down into their major components. Large standard gauge locomotives were shipped "dead in train" (no fire in the boiler) with their main rods removed and running at reduced speed. A "Messenger" usually accompanied the loco to lubricate sensitive parts en-route. Perhaps the most famous movement of this type was the Baldwin Locomotive Works 1922 "Prosperity Special" consisting of 24 Locomotives in a single train. See:

http://www.trainorders.com/discussio...php?11,2908024

Note the wooden box protecting the air horn in this photo:

http://www.trainorders.com/discussio...39#msg-3995339

And one more: http://www.trainorders.com/discussio...38#msg-3724938

Cheers,
Jack

Bristolian Apr 11, 2016 5:17 AM

Regarding Cannibal and the Headhunters, they were one of the opening acts for The Beatles second American tour including two shows at The Hollywood Bowl in August of 1965.

http://americansabor.org/musicians/c...nd-headhunters

oldstuff Apr 11, 2016 3:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MichaelRyerson (Post 7395742)
Can you see any bricks? ; )

I don't see any in that area ( and I do look, since I drive by every day). There are, however, some around the roots of the large ficus trees down the street aways. They are at the base of the second tree, just northeast of the corner of Second and Beaudry, on the north side of the street. There are two or three there. The tree has grown around them so they have been there awhile. I can't stop and look at them closely since I am on my way to work when I drive by and there is no parking there, but maybe someone with more time can go see if they have any distinctive markings.

odinthor Apr 11, 2016 3:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 7402794)
'mystery' photograph.


The only information with this photo is "932. S. Hope St., Los Angeles, 1922"

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...923/WQg97A.jpg
http://lit250v.library.ucla.edu/isla...t/laviews%3A92

Does anyone know what building this is/was?

here's the area today.
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800...924/eeABQg.jpg
google_earth
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The Chandler Motor Car Co. at 932 S. Hope appears in the copy for an ad in the L.A. Times on 1/25/1920. The Walter M. Murphy Motors Co. is there on 3/25/1925.

oldstuff Apr 11, 2016 4:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 7401181)
Last night I came across this excellent photograph of L.A.'s first female doctor Mary S. Ertl M.D.
[the seller is asking $350.00]

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...924/ZOkgYO.jpg
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1910s-Dr-Mar...3D301872354049


Here's the seller's description:

"Extremely RARE original photo of the first female doctor in Los Angeles. Dr Mary Ertl is widely believed to be the first woman to serve the Los Angeles area.
This is an unpublished photo of her and family members in front of her doctors office at 4003 Carmona St."


But if you look closely, the street number on the front of the bungalow is not 4003.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...922/HSUbxD.jpg
detail

Anyone feel like trying to solve this 'mystery'?


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*Mary's original monument (shown at the top of the post), was damaged (more like decapitated) in the 1920 earthquake, and is now inside this mausoleum at Forest Lawn.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...922/iO9sHm.jpg
http://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/2...-graves-6.html




See...there she is inside, all repaired!

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800...922/jJEsZj.jpg
http://www.gettyimages.com/detail/ne...hoto/564021199
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*but there's another monument in Inglewood Park Cemetery.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/640...923/hLBHlk.jpg
http://www.inglewoodparkcemetery.com...arts/ertl.html

"This monument replaced an earlier one that was damaged in the earthquake of June 21, 1920.
The original was removed and repaired, and is now housed inside Dr. Ertl's private mausoleum
at Forest Lawn, Glendale."


"There is some debate on which one actually holds her remains." -eBay seller.

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In 1907 Mary Ertl, MD is listed with her husband Joseph, a butcher, as living at 1195 E. 40th in Los Angeles. She had been on Carmona previously and is listed there in 1902. It does not say, in that directory, if it is 40th street, avenue, place or whatever. Now there is only 40th Place and while some of the houses on that street are the right vintage, they don't match exactly to the one in the old photo. 40th between Figueroa and San Pedro is now part of MLK Blvd., but there the numbers do not match. Another address for her, at another time, is at 3927 Naomi Avenue, a street which crosses MLK currently. There is a parking lot on that corner and across the (Naomi) street is an apartment house. This might have been the location, but in either case, the house is no longer there. Since the apartment house on MLK takes up two former lots, the very edge of the house next door to the right in the old photo cannot now be seen either so that does not help in narrowing it down.

ethereal_reality Apr 11, 2016 4:43 PM

odinthor wrote:

"The Chandler Motor Car Co. at 932 S. Hope appears in the copy for an ad in the L.A. Times on 1/25/1920. The Walter M. Murphy Motors Co. is there on 3/25/1925."


:previous: Thank for the information odinthor.

Hoss posted an ad for the Murphy Motors Co. awhile back.
Quote:

Originally Posted by BifRayRock, detail by HossC (Post 6933273)
http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...harlieRoot.jpg
Detail of picture in Huntington Digital Library

The picture of Charlie Root was a publicity photograph for Walter M Murphy Motors Company. Here's their advert from the 1926 CD, showing their Hudson-Essex dealership was at 932 S Hope Street.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...rphyMotors.jpg
LAPL

But still no photograph of the car dealership. :(

except of course for my snapshot.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800...923/WQg97A.jpg

Perhaps the car dealership shows up in some aerials.
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ethereal_reality Apr 11, 2016 4:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by oldstuff (Post 7403349)
In 1907 Mary Ertl, MD is listed with her husband Joseph, a butcher, as living at 1195 E. 40th in Los Angeles. She had been on Carmona previously and is listed there in 1902. It does not say, in that directory, if it is 40th street, avenue, place or whatever. Now there is only 40th Place and while some of the houses on that street are the right vintage, they don't match exactly to the one in the old photo. 40th between Figueroa and San Pedro is now part of MLK Blvd., but there the numbers do not match. Another address for her, at another time, is at 3927 Naomi Avenue, a street which crosses MLK currently. There is a parking lot on that corner and across the (Naomi) street is an apartment house. This might have been the location, but in either case, the house is no longer there. Since the apartment house on MLK takes up two former lots, the very edge of the house next door to the right in the old photo cannot now be seen either so that does not help in narrowing it down.

:previous: Very interesting information oldstuff. Thanks so much for your help.
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Martin Pal Apr 11, 2016 5:00 PM

Thanks, E_R and HossC for the Matson Lines office and ship photos. Their famous liners are somewhat of an interest of mine.



Below, an ad for the Matsonia's maiden voyage to Hawaii from Los Angeles.
http://www.jumpingfrog.com/images/ma...s3/mad4395.jpg

http://cruiselinehistory.com/wp-cont...2014/11/l5.gif

The S.S. Lurline sails from Los Angeles harbor in 1941.


Here are two Herman Schultheis photos, in the noirish vein, from 1937:

http://waterandpower.org/2%20Histori..._Monterey3.jpgLAPL image via Water & Power Associates

People stand on the dock at the Los Angeles Harbor watching the S. S. Monterey arrive in the fog.


http://waterandpower.org/2%20Histori...S_Monterey.jpgLAPL image via Water & Power Associates

Two women stand by a line of waiting cars watching the S. S. Monterey move into dock at Berth 156 at the Los Angeles Harbor.


Speaking of Berth 156, here's a souvenir photo taken at L.A.H.D. Berth 156. The source (New Found Photography Blogspot) has no date for this photo.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_UT3-Ilt-gn.../lurline+1.jpg

S.S. Lurline

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_UT3-Ilt-gn.../lurline+3.jpg

It appears the photo was taken from the Lurline on sailing day as it was departing, or waiting for departure, as there are streamers starting to fill the air, and everyone looks as though they'd like to be aboard!


http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_UT3-Ilt-gn.../lurline+2.jpg

John Flores Associates, Inc. / Shipboard Photographer / P.O. Box 3093 Olympic Station / Beverly Hills, California

Matson's passenger ships to Hawaii were frequented by the Hollywood crowd before and after World War II and dozens of shipboard photos of them can be found
and some celebrities, Cornel Wilde for example, appeared in print advertisements. During World War II, Matson's passenger ships were converted to troop carriers.

If anyone's interested, two appealing books on the subject are:

To Honolulu in Five Days: Cruising Aboard Matson's S.S. Lurline
(specifically about the Lurline)
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/...4,203,200_.jpg

The White Ships: A Tribute to Matson’s Luxury Liners
(a history of the “white ships” – the Malolo, Mariposa,
Monterey, Lurline and Matsonia – from 1927 to 1978,
told through timelines, text and hundreds of photographs)
http://cruiselinehistory.com/wp-cont...whiteships.jpg

ethereal_reality Apr 11, 2016 5:05 PM

Slauson Slim wrote:

In the early to 1960s to about 1968 there was a big East LA music scene, later called the The Eastside Sound, with public dances every weekend and sometimes during the week, and bands also appearing at high schools, junior high schools and church halls. The sound was R&B and Soul based, with British Invasion and Doo-Wop thrown in.

The bands and followers were mostly Mexican-American. It was our scene and our sound - I used to go to the dances even though I lived in South Central.

Bands included Thee Midniters, The Premiers, Ronnie and the Pomona Casuals, The Slauson Brothers, Cannibal and the Headhunters, The Blendells, The Jaguars, The Romancers, The Salsas Brothers and many others.

Venues include the Montebello Ballroom, Big Union - pictured above, Little Union, St. Alphonsus - the ones I recall, but there are others.

It was a wonderful, vibrant scene, with great music, kids dressed up and going out and dancing.

Cannibal and the Headhunters and The Premiers made it nationally - having charted hits, touring and on television. Thee Midniters were extremely popular, appearing several times every week in various venues and making real money. I remember girls getting their arms and other body parts autographed by Little Wille G, their lead singer.

The scene died out, I think, due to the Vietnam War taking many young men into military service, the rise of Chicano Power, the school walkouts and political consciousness, cultural shifting toward hippies, and teenagers growing up.
________________________________________________

Excellent information SS!



Quote:

Originally Posted by Bristolian (Post 7402978)
Regarding Cannibal and the Headhunters, they were one of the opening acts for The Beatles second American tour including two shows at The Hollywood Bowl in August of 1965.

http://americansabor.org/musicians/c...nd-headhunters


Thanks for the link Bristolian.

"Formed in East Los Angeles, California, in 1964 after Frankie “Cannibal” Garcia joined up with the vocal trio Bobby & the Classics (Robert “Rabbit” Jaramillo, his younger brother Joe “Yo Yo” Jaramillo, and Richard “Scar” Lopez), the band was initiated into doo-wop singing by their soulful mentors and neighbors Tommy Keyes and The Showcases and Zulu and The Warrios who also lived in the same housing project. In less than a year they were signed by Eddie Davis to his small label, Rampart Records, and soon were racing up the charts with their rendition of a little-known R&B song."

:previous: That must have been a very noisy housing project.

I take it they're talking about Ramona Gardens.(see below)

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800...922/1ExHcD.jpg
https://www.flickr.com/photos/michae...on/11029766816


Here's an amazing poster from the link Bristolian provided.

These are all bands from East Los Angeles!

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...924/005Ju4.jpg
http://americansabor.org/musicians/c...nd-headhunters

This time the venue is the Shrine Auditorium.

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jg6544 Apr 11, 2016 6:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HossC (Post 7401811)
Thanks to NCD for the historical informaion on the bank at 514 S Spring Street, and to Mstimc for a very plausible explanation of the seating in the DWP building.


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Today we have the Brentwood Savings building, as photographed by Julius Shulman in 1965. It's "Job 3804: Kurt Meyer, Brentwood Savings (Los Angeles, Calif.), 1964".
NB. I've left out a few images from this set.
The building, at 12011 San Vicente Boulevard, is now a branch of Comerica Bank. Trees in the median prevent me from getting a better shot, but it looks virtually unchanged. There's even still a pharmacy next door.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...0.jpg~original
GSV

The water feature at the back has been filled in with a small hedge.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...1.jpg~original
GSV


Comerica Bank trashed the hell out of that one!

jg6544 Apr 11, 2016 6:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 7402755)
Day Trippers

Here's a fine looking group dressed to the nines, arriving in Santa Monica on the Pasadena & Pacific RR, 1896.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/923/ZGoT0E.jpg
http://www.ebay.com/itm/SANTA-MONICA...IAAOSwJQdW~c27

I am in awe of the way they're dressed up.

reverse
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800...921/jO0buk.jpg
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AND, the light rail opens all the way to Santa Monica next month!

odinthor Apr 11, 2016 6:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 7403399)
odinthor wrote:

"The Chandler Motor Car Co. at 932 S. Hope appears in the copy for an ad in the L.A. Times on 1/25/1920. The Walter M. Murphy Motors Co. is there on 3/25/1925."


Thank for the information odinthor.

Hoss posted an ad for the Murphy Motors Co. awhile back.


But still no photograph of the car dealership. :(

except of course for my snapshot.

[...]

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Your wish is my command:

http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/...psklasjvxc.jpg

(Credit in image.)


Bonus:

Los Angeles Times, 11/11/17:

Announcement has been made by Earl V. Armstrong, Inc., the Chandler distributors, that the new home for Chandler cars at No. 932 South Hope street is expected to be ready for occupancy immediately following the automobile show that begins tomorrow. The work on the exterior of the building is now practically completed and the large force of artisans is now devoting its time and efforts to finishing up the interior.

The salesroom will be one of the largest and finest in appointment in the city. It will be 40x70 feet in dimensions and the ceiling is twenty-one feet high. Despite the size of the room it will be entirely free from posts or any other obstruction. The idea of Mr. Armstrong and A.S. Heineman, the architect, has been to devise a room of harmonious simplicity and to heighten this effect the structural beams in the ceiling will be left exposed. The walls will be finished in French caen stone to carry out the same textural appearance as the concrete of the building.

Of brown mahogany, the woodwork and trimming will be especially neat and artistic. The tile floor will be laid out in the effect of twenty-four-inch flags composed of a special hard-burned, nonporous flint tile outlined with one-inch, jet black vitreous tile. The color effect of the floor will be grizzly brown and black, which is said to be a novelty and certain to prove very serviceable, as well.

The room will be without desks for the salesmen, who will have their accommodations in another room. Persons interested in the Chandler car may inspect the various models on display free from molestation on the part of salesmen. A floor man will be in charge to answer any questions or make suggestions upon request. This plan has been decided upon by the Armstrong organization in order that owners of Chandler cars and prospective buyers may feel at liberty to call at their pleasure and learn to enjoy their visits.

Directly back of the salesroom will be a special reflection room. The walls will be covered entirely with French plate mirrors. A car will be placed in the center so that it may be seen from all angles. Many persons like to know how they look when seated in a car and this mirrored room, which is a unique feature distinctive to the new Chandler home, will satisfy this desire to the utmost.

Los Angeles Times 11/9/1930:

The National Cash Register Company through C.U. Whifen, sales agent, has leased the two-story and basement building, 100 x 150 feet, at 932 South Hope street […]. The company plans extensive alteration and improvements in the structure, it is reported.

HossC Apr 11, 2016 7:23 PM

Thanks to e_r and Martin Pal for the Matson Lines follow-ups.


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From Julius Shulman today we the Firestone Tire and Rubber Company Headquarters. This is "Job 2682: Pereira & Luckman, Firestone Tire and Rubber Company Headquarters (Los Angeles, Calif.), 1958". I'll start with the "So Calif District Office/Machine Accounting Office" end of the building.
NB. I've omitted one of the color images, and several black & white ones which either duplcated the color shots or each other.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...1.jpg~original

At the other end was the "Industrial Products Office".

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...2.jpg~original

And here's the company logo.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...3.jpg~original

Now onto the black & white photos.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...4.jpg~original

I've enlarged the left side of the picture above to show the upright sign. Does the sign behind say "Michael's"?

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...5.jpg~original

This is the only interior shot.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...6.jpg~original

All from Getty Research Institute

The second image above is for sale at juliusshulman.org, if you've got a spare $395. The exterior wall looks fire engine red in their preview.

I nearly had to post this as a mystery location. Then I found a 1957 series of aerial construction photos, including this one, at LAPL. It shows the building on Telegraph Road, south of E Washington Boulevard. Assuming that I read the sign correctly, that must be Michael's in the lower-left corner.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...7.jpg~original
LAPL

The aerial view below shows the building in 2004. Note the vertical sign still standing just left of the "E" of the "E Washington Boulevard" label. The Michael's building disappeared between 1994 and 2003.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...8.jpg~original
Historic Aerials

Sadly, by the time the Googlemobile made its first visit in 2007, all that was left was this pile of dirt. You'll now find a Costco Business Center on the site.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...9.jpg~original
GSV

ethereal_reality Apr 11, 2016 10:34 PM

:previous: I really like the modern look of the front of the Firestone building Hoss. (I'm surprised it wasn't closer to the Firestone Plant on Firestone Blvd.)

That Michael's place looks really interesting in the aerial. I hope we can find out more about it.

detail / Michael's
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/640...923/whAkqI.jpg

:previous: and it's quite popular! look at all those cars.


Quote:

Originally Posted by odinthor (Post 7403550)

You found a picture of the 'mystery' building! Excellent sleuthing odinthor.

Thanks so much for your help.

932 S. Hope [no date]
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800...923/WQg97A.jpg
http://lit250v.library.ucla.edu/isla...t/laviews%3A92

I'm trying to match my 'arched' window. (maybe by 1925, it's hidden under that horizontal rectangular area)

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odinthor Apr 11, 2016 10:45 PM

In re: 932 S. Hope (or at least 936).

By 1966, either the National Cash Register Company (better known to us today as NCR) had moved a couple of doors down the street, or (more likely) they incorporated several adjoining buildings and used address 936. A few items perhaps of interest about address 936:

--L.A. Times, February 20, 1966:

“The previous NCR Los Angeles headquarters was at 936 S. Hope St., in downtown Los Angeles. That building, which includes some 40,000 square feet of office space, service shops, auditoriums and machine demonstration facilities, has taken on a new role in NCR’s expanded Los Angeles operations.

“It has been dedicated entirely as a service center, providing an operating hub for 218 technicians and some 130 vehicles which maintain the firm’s cash registers, business machines and computers on a hectic, six-day, 16-hour schedule.”

--L.A. Times, May 19, 1968, finds the building’s tenant as the Retail Merchants Credit Assn.—formerly housed in the Subway Terminal Building—and installing “a 2,300-square-foot computer operation.” To accommodate the computer system, they were raising the floor “9 inches above the concrete floor to allow space for hundreds of feet of cable equipment,” and were lowering the ceiling “to 8 feet and air conditioning equipment was installed above it.”

By April 25, 1971, the changes were completed and the building was ready for occupancy.

By January 9, 1979, the building was unoccupied, and, worse, “Three women pedestrians suffered minor injuries Monday when a façade of concrete and wire mesh tore loose” from the building. “City firemen said chunks of the 70-foot-long façade dropped about 25 feet to the sidewalk shortly before noon. The firemen climbed up and knocked down the rest of the ornamental work. A policeman at the scene speculated that the façade may have been weakened by the recent earthquake and rain” (L.A. Times, 1/9/79).

ethereal_reality Apr 11, 2016 10:55 PM

Excellent posts on the Matson Line HossC & Martin_Pal.


I can't tell you how much I LOVE this photograph. It makes me happy just to look at it.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...924/SeknxR.jpg
originally posted by Martin Pal

Bon Voyage!
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*I just noticed one guy who might be crying among all that jubilation. -he's wiping his eyes with a white hanky.

CityBoyDoug Apr 11, 2016 11:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 7403990)
Excellent posts on the Matson Line HossC & Martin_Pal.


I can't tell you how much I LOVE this photograph. It makes me happy just to look at it.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...924/SeknxR.jpg
originally posted by Martin Pal

Bon Voyage!
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*I just noticed one guy might be crying among all that jubilation. -he's wiping his face with a white hanky.

The people on the ship throw paper streamers to the crowd below which is symbolic of their ties to the people on the pier.

My parents were on this pier when their best friends sailed to Hawaii in 1953. They were sad that they did not go with them. My stepdad wanted to spend the $400 trip cost on his businesses. [$3,550 in 2016]
Here is his friend that did go to Hawaii...Earl Glende and wife.
Earl was a great person. He once bought me a silver cap gun and a shirt from Hawaii. He retired at age 50 with a bankroll from his days in Chicago in advertising display and billboards. His health was not that good as he only had one kidney and passed away in California at age 59.


1953
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...pseshuqzmu.jpg
CD file

BifRayRock Apr 11, 2016 11:52 PM

:previous:
https://media.giphy.com/media/caz2nQAfrVuXS/giphy.gifhttp://giphy.com/gifs/superman-crowd...-caz2nQAfrVuXS



Quote:

Originally Posted by HossC (Post 7401811)

Today we have the Brentwood Savings building, as photographed by Julius Shulman in 1965. It's "Job 3804: Kurt Meyer, Brentwood Savings (Los Angeles, Calif.), 1964".
NB. I've left out a few images from this set.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...1.jpg~original

The building, at 12011 San Vicente Boulevard, is now a branch of Comerica Bank. Trees in the median prevent me from getting a better shot, but it looks virtually unchanged. There's even still a pharmacy next door.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...0.jpg~original
GSV





A few miles east on San Vicente (6316) is a similar look that replaced the Carthay Circle theater.

http://i357.photobucket.com/albums/o...4.png~originalGSV





ethereal_reality Apr 12, 2016 12:16 AM

'mystery' photograph.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...921/yHAGgf.jpg

This curious photograph was included in an article on the 2015 Pasadena Cheeseburger Week.

Frustratingly, a description of the photo wasn't included.

Here's the article.
http://www.doghaus.com/press/in-the-...rger-week.html

Has anyone seen this photograph before?
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ethereal_reality Apr 12, 2016 12:22 AM

:previous:

I just found another image of the photograph at http://hometown-pasadena.com/eat-dri...eburger/118985

This one is a bit better.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800...923/cElMSb.jpg
Photo courtesy of Don Sternberger

To me, the 'rite spot' lettering looks fake; like it's been added later:previous:. Is someone trying to pull the wool over our eyes?

Supposedly, it was the first place to slap some cheese on a burger.

"served to a customer in 1924 at the Rite Spot in Pasadena."
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BifRayRock Apr 12, 2016 1:37 AM



:previous:


And then there is this version of the the famous RITE SPOT.
http://40.media.tumblr.com/5574bfeef...ztgo2_1280.jpghttp://lameekly.tumblr.com/post/8438...e-cheeseburger (See also http://skyscraperpage.com/forum/show...postcount=9204)

FWIW, a "Lionel Sternberger" is listed in the '34CD at 6148 N. Figueroa.

No idea whether purported cheeseburger inventor is connected with this image of "Wild Bill CUmmings" and "Lionel Sternberger" (right?) in a "Boyle Products Special" racing car taken somewhere associated with Los Angeles, circa '35.
http://i357.photobucket.com/albums/o...pspab9borz.png (Stanford.edu)


http://image2.findagrave.com/photos/...8541838703.jpgFindagrave



Martin Pal Apr 12, 2016 6:35 AM

http://www.ssmaritime.com/Ellinis-Lurline-LA-50s.jpgSSMaritime

S.S. Lurline in Los Angeles Harbor, in the late 50's.

Just something else as a point of interest. I know the last passenger ship to leave Hawaii before the attack on Pearl Harbor was the S. S. Lurline and it sailed on Friday, December 5th. It was halfway back to California when the news reached the passengers on board. I was watching the new Ken Burns documentary on PBS this evening and discovered that Jackie Robinson was on board that ship. I didn't know that.

ethereal_reality Apr 12, 2016 5:53 PM

Thanks for this BifRayRock.

Quote:

Originally Posted by BifRayRock (Post 7404179)

:previous:"Lionel Sternberger, originator of the cheeseburger in 1926, opened up the Rite Spot on Avenue 26 and Colorado near Pasadena/Eagle Rock."


side view (this is the continuation of the awning you see in the previous photo)

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800...922/aqyQ60.jpg
http://lameekly.tumblr.com/post/8438...e-cheeseburger


I found this matchbook with various addresses and locations.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800...923/M1zyiD.jpghttp://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800...924/WEyx6E.jpg
eBay



...but I also found this matchbook with two completely different locations.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800...923/Wo90zN.jpg
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800...924/DWCpBS.jpg
eBay



inside the cover.
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800...924/xcyyO9.jpg

so I'm still a bit confused about Mr. Sternberger's hamburger......er, I mean cheeseburger empire.

ethereal_reality Apr 12, 2016 6:15 PM

A dreary wet morning on the Pike in Long Beach [1940s]. -looking as 'noirish' as it's ever looked.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...924/196CzS.jpg
eBay


This one's rather blurry. -so let's just say it's atmospheric.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...923/rJngIc.jpg
eBay

I'm still trying to figure out what's going on with the sign on the metal pole in the foreground............:previous:



Pretty in plaid.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...921/StmvIu.jpg
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...923/4v2Lfh.jpg
eBay

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ethereal_reality Apr 12, 2016 6:22 PM

32 lifeguards.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...921/Sy5YMU.jpg
ebay

The seller states that this was bought at a Malibu estate sale.

Does anyone recognize the long building behind the lifeguards? It doesn't look familiar to me at all. -maybe this isn't Malibu.
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John Maddox Roberts Apr 12, 2016 6:43 PM

I can't get the pic to enlarge, but that life preserver held by the lady on the right might be a clue if it's intelligible. I thought it might be Venice but no go.

HossC Apr 12, 2016 7:03 PM

Today's Julius Shulman location was easier to find than yesterday's. It's "Job 3699: Richard Lee Dorman, Design Center (Los Angeles, Calif.), 1964". I'll start with the color images.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...1.jpg~original

The next two don't seem to match the colors of the image above. Maybe they were taken later.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...2.jpg~original

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...3.jpg~original

There are several black & white photos which show the exterior from different angles, but I've chosen to just post the interior shots.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...4.jpg~original

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...5.jpg~original

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...6.jpg~original

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...7.jpg~original

All from Getty Research Institute

From laconservancy.org:
The building is composed of two levels: a lower, wider volume housing street-entry spaces (which originally contained the International Design Center and its year-round exhibits of art and interior design), and the taller tower, raised above the lower level on graceful double-height pilotis that make the larger mass seem to hover in place. The tower is marked by regular rows of rounded-edge, partial-width balconies projecting dramatically from the simple glass and concrete façade.
The Design Center still stands at 8899 Beverly Boulevard, but someone's painted it white.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...8.jpg~original
GSV

Earl Boebert Apr 12, 2016 7:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by John Maddox Roberts (Post 7404973)
I can't get the pic to enlarge, but that life preserver held by the lady on the right might be a clue if it's intelligible. I thought it might be Venice but no go.

Alas, it appears to just say "Life Saving Class."

Cheers,

Earl

Flyingwedge Apr 12, 2016 7:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 7404952)
32 lifeguards.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...921/Sy5YMU.jpg
ebay

The seller states that this was bought at a Malibu estate sale.

Does anyone recognize the long building behind the lifeguards? It doesn't look familiar to me at all. -maybe this isn't Malibu.
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That's Capitola in Santa Cruz County, California.

Here's a link to a photo of the long building in the background, now the Capitola Venetian Hotel: http://www.123rf.com/photo_25998821_...alifornia.html

Here's the website for the Capitola Venetian Hotel: http://www.capitolavenetian.com/abou...e-venetian.htm

CityBoyDoug Apr 12, 2016 7:51 PM

Stomach Churning...!!!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 7404946)
A dreary wet morning on the Pike in Long Beach [1940s]. -looking as 'noirish' as it's ever looked.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...924/196CzS.jpg
eBay


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Wonderful old photos of the Pike....which brought back memories.

Here is the Tilt-A-Whirl ride. The ride moved in two directions at once. The cabin can be made to spin, plus the chain of cabins move in a circle.
My Navy buddies got me on this ride in 1968 and managed to spin the seats at a wild rate. I was very sick for two days afterwards.


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...psauvlwhig.jpg
LongBeachMuseum

ethereal_reality Apr 13, 2016 12:03 AM

Thanks JMR, Earl & Flyingwedge for helping locate my '36 lifeguards' photograph.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flyingwedge (Post 7405020)
That's Capitola in Santa Cruz County, California.

Here's a link to a photo of the long building in the background, now the Capitola Venetian Hotel: http://www.123rf.com/photo_25998821_...alifornia.html

:previous: I just spent the last half hour looking at photographs of the place. It's really interesting.
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CityBoyDoug,

Allow me to briefly reminisce:

There's a Tilt-A-Whirl still in working condition on the boardwalk at Indiana Beach, Shafer Lake. My family spent summers at the lake
and my sister and I worked at the beach's Skyroom restaurant when we were in high school.

When the park was known as Ideal Beach many famous bands played in it's lakefront ballroom; Duke Ellington, Louis Armstrong,
Glen Miller, Tommy and Jimmy Dorsey and Benny Goodman among others.

In the 1960s/70s the ballroom was still going strong; with shows featuring the Beach Boys, The Who, Sonny and Cher,
Janis Joplin, Alice Cooper, Jefferson Airplane, among many others.

The ballroom is still standing, but it isn't on the water any longer as landfill has been added around it.

1940s
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...921/xZgPSw.jpg
eBay

:previous: I circled the Tilt-A-Whirl in blue (it's still in the same spot today CBD!)

& the red arrow points to the now closed ballroom.

I apologize for going off topic, but the park is getting ready to open for it's 90th year so it's been on my mind lately. (it's only 30 miles from where I live)


Now back to 'noirish' Los Angeles.
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ethereal_reality Apr 13, 2016 12:14 AM

How about a 'mystery' picture. :)

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...924/hJ1u4y.jpg
eBay

I imagine the side/back stairs lead down to the garage. Does anyone recognize this place?

-note the building just over the hill with a prominent antenna.
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ethereal_reality Apr 13, 2016 12:49 AM

Fletcher Drive from Delay Drive, 1970s.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...924/IPXeiU.jpg
eBay

:previous: note the obsolete train tracks.



And today.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...921/sHaxzO.jpg
gsv

The old style siren is still on top of the building on the left.

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CityBoyDoug Apr 13, 2016 12:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 7405417)
Thanks JMR, Earl & Flyingwedge for helping locate my '36 lifeguards' photograph.


:previous: I circled the Tilt-A-Whirl in blue (it's still in the same spot CBD!)

& the red arrow points to the now closed ballroom.

I apologize for going off topic, but the park is getting ready to open for it's 90th year so it's been on my mind lately. (it's only 30 miles from where I live)

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ER....thanks for sharing that swell story. Amazing that the ride is still operating.!!!

ethereal_reality Apr 13, 2016 2:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HossC (Post 7405002)
"Job 3699: Richard Lee Dorman, Design Center (Los Angeles, Calif.), 1964".

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...1.jpg~original



http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...8.jpg~original
GSV

:previous: I really like this before and after.

I think it would be interesting if the building remained white but the balconies were painted different bold colors.

like a Mondrian
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/640...921/zCGTR7.jpg
mid-century art

Now that, would be striking!


Thanks for your ongoing Shulman series Hoss. Keep up the good work!

I look forward to seeing your posts each day.

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HenryHuntington Apr 13, 2016 2:41 AM

...note the obsolete train tracks.

FWIW, that was the last remaining segment of the Union Pacific's Glendale Branch (abandoned in 1991).

Hollywood Graham Apr 13, 2016 4:42 AM

Terrible Memory But I don't Remember it.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 7405460)
Fletcher Drive from Delay Drive, 1970s.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...924/IPXeiU.jpg
eBay

:previous: note the obsolete train tracks.



And today.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...921/sHaxzO.jpg
gsv

The old style siren is still on top of the building on the left.

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In 1968 I had a 1952 Harley Chopper on which I crashed into the decorative rock wall next to the alcove where a glass door was. I woke up in the hospital the next day and do not recall how or why it happened. No health insurance but I finally paid the hospital and the operation to put my bones back in place. Sold the bike to help pay for bills. I believe that the building was a Capitol Records building. I kept a photo of the wrecked bike with me on it in my locker to remind me to stay off bikes.

Noircitydame Apr 13, 2016 6:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CityBoyDoug (Post 7405076)
Wonderful old photos of the Pike....which brought back memories.

Here is the Tilt-A-Whirl ride. The ride moved in two directions at once. The cabin can be made to spin, plus the chain of cabins move in a circle.
My Navy buddies got me on this ride in 1968 and managed to spin the seats at a wild rate. I was very sick for two days afterwards.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...psauvlwhig.jpg
LongBeachMuseum

:dissy:

I found a postcard showing the tilt-a-whirl at what by then was reconfigured and renamed the Nu-Pike (as of 1950).

http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/k...lle/nupike.jpg ebay

Behind it is the Laff in the Dark (where poor Elmer McCurdy's remains ended up, as the crew of the Six Million Dollar Man discovered)

This one shows the Rotor ride seen in the background of Doug's photo.
http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/k...e/nupike_1.jpg ebay

:previous: The mustard colored building with the columns is the old bathhouse seen in nearly every postcard of the Long Beach Pike.

http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/k...0%202%20A1.jpg old file

BifRayRock Apr 13, 2016 1:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Godzilla (Post 5983199)
Mayor Shaw looks like he knew how to celebrate any event. All images from LAPL.

1935 - Mayor Shaw helps celebrate FDR Brithday
http://jpg3.lapl.org/pics17/00028181.jpg

1938 - Mayor Shaw and entourage prepare to meet FDR
http://jpg3.lapl.org/pics17/00028227.jpg


Mayor Shaw receives badge bearing Los Angeles City Seal.
http://jpg1.lapl.org/pics29/00034100.jpg




More always-dapper Mayor Shaw - with Racers, Louie Moore and Pete DePaolo. (Most of you will recognize the old LA County Courthouse in background.)
http://i357.photobucket.com/albums/o...f.png~original revslib.stanford.edu


BifRayRock Apr 13, 2016 2:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BifRayRock (Post 5764307)
Wing walking over Santa Monica 1918 (Probably scouting for Monkey Island or a decent parking space.)

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7243/6...6ffcaa21_b.jpghttp://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmar...n/photostream/






Scouting for similar images and noticed another example of daredevil-ism. 1926 image is from Legion Ascot Park and clearly indicates the stunt was performed by one of the "Black Cats." https://revslib.stanford.edu/catalog/sj583jw3221

http://i357.photobucket.com/albums/o...n.png~original


http://i357.photobucket.com/albums/o...k.png~original


http://www.ctie.monash.edu.au/hargra...t_news_750.jpghttp://www.ctie.monash.edu.au/hargra...t_news_750.jpg

Black Cat, Gladys Ingle
http://www.testpilotwear.com/images/...lane-stunt.jpghttp://www.testpilotwear.com/images/...lane-stunt.jpg


More images here:http://www.testpilotwear.com/blog/13-flying-black-cats and San Diego Air & Space Museum site.



BifRayRock Apr 13, 2016 3:24 PM





Photos associated with Santa Monica Races - per source. Selected mostly because of relevant backgrounds.


Have we seen Bill Froelich's Ford, circa '32? 2152 W Washington (and 1720 South Western Ave). GW, nb: In '32, Bill Froelich rested his head at 110 South McCadden Place.

https://revslib.stanford.edu/item/hv352kx2635 Froelich Ford sponsored many cars at Legion Ascot Park.



http://i357.photobucket.com/albums/o...3.png~original


http://i357.photobucket.com/albums/o...a.png~original



C.Will Risden, Indian Motocycles (701 or 704 South Spring Street per this source http://cdnc.ucr.edu/cgi-bin/cdnc?a=d...03.2.148.3.121)



http://i357.photobucket.com/albums/o...1.png~original
https://revslib.stanford.edu/catalog/mm577bt1018





1914- Splitdorf Electrical Co. 1226 South Olive, later at 1215 S. Hope (1914) and 1324 South Hope


Eddie O'Donnell and Dusenbergs, No 19 and 10.
http://i357.photobucket.com/albums/o...c.png~originalhttps://revslib.stanford.edu/catalog/gj886fq3521



1919 - WWI Ace, Eddie Rickenbacker float. (Eddie R. has been featured several times on NLA, including a car bearing his name.) Most NLA'ers will recognize Southern Pacific Depot in background.

http://i357.photobucket.com/albums/o...b.png~originalhttps://revslib.stanford.edu/catalog/yz851pw4965





https://jhgrahambooks.files.wordpres...tral-deppt.jpghttps://jhgrahambooks.files.wordpres...tral-deppt.jpg


Eddie Rickenbacker
http://diglib.auburn.edu/images/spar...7-054-2003.jpghttp://diglib.auburn.edu/images/spar...7-054-2003.jpg





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