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ethereal_reality Aug 27, 2014 8:42 PM

:previous: MR, I never knew internees worked for the war department. -interesting.
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Thanks for your excellent research on the Cape House and Moiso Mansion HossC.
..and I like that 1903 photograph of the parade, especially the young lads on the right watching from the roof of the building with the Keystone sign.
It looks like a fine day for a parade.


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ethereal_reality Aug 27, 2014 8:52 PM

This is an impressive panorama of employees at the Los Angeles Assembly Plant, Ford Motor Co. (I found it a couple nights ago on ebay)
I especially like the two ends that show people waiting patiently (or impatiently) for the photographer to finish the photo session.

I'll post it in sections.

far left.
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...539/EyZbof.jpgebay


http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...661/hFnDzw.jpgebay



http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...537/kWn5Vl.jpgebay




far right (as you can see, the California Rubbish Co. is represented as well) :)
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...539/gMEoVC.jpg



here's the complete photograph
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...905/nsPrdy.jpgebay

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Martin Pal Aug 27, 2014 9:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 6706468)
Here's another venue offering exotic ethnic entertainment, this one located downtown on Broadway.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...540/O6UEwY.jpg
ebay
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You mean Club Brazil? ;)


Afro Cuban -- in Brazil :shrug:

(Thanks for the Hollywood/Fairfax GSV HossC)

ethereal_reality Aug 27, 2014 9:47 PM

I found this small snapshot the other night as well....



http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/640...538/WI2Kgf.jpgebay





1963
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/674/LBbrPX.jpg

I'm not certain which house this is. -note the vacancy sign across the street. The seller says it is Bunker Hill.

ethereal_reality Aug 27, 2014 10:34 PM

The seller of this photograph describes it as "1st & Vermont."

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/912/bPhrah.jpgebay

I love that 'chophouse' on the left...with it's neon signs. I think the small sign on top says HUB.



This photograph is described as "PW & Vermont 1955."

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/908/iAaUlD.jpgebay

I'm not sure what the seller means by PW.

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"Raymond Avenue" ( we get a bonus of a backyard incinerator )

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/913/R1R4Vn.jpgebay

ethereal_reality Aug 27, 2014 11:00 PM

...and something a little different.

1937
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/909/5QxBhJ.jpgebay


I wonder which bridge that is in the background? -from this angle it looks like it's crossing an open field.

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MichaelRyerson Aug 27, 2014 11:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 6708223)
...and something a little different.

1937
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/909/5QxBhJ.jpgebay


I wonder which bridge that is in the background? -from this angle it looks like it's crossing an open field.

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Looks like maybe the 6th Street viaduct to me.

https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2901/...d91a41a8_o.jpg6th Street bridge, 1933

USC digital archive/Title Insurance and Trust, and C.C. Pierce Photography Collection, 1860-1960

HossC Aug 27, 2014 11:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 6708186)

The seller of this photograph describes it as "1st & Vermont."

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/912/bPhrah.jpgebay

I love that 'chophouse' on the left...with it's neon signs. I think the small sign on top says HUB.

The road where the streetcars were parked has been partially built on, with the rest becoming a small parking lot, but I believe the old chophouse survives as the slightly graffitied Teriyaki House (currently boasting 4.4/5 stars on Yelp!).

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...stVermont1.jpg
GSV

The reverse view from the road behind the streetcars (Bimini Place) shows that not all the tracks were removed (they stop at the bottom of the picture).

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...stVermont2.jpg
GSV

Regarding the second picture: I can't help with what PW stands, but Goodell's Furniture at 4721 S Vermont appears in the 1956 CD. The Deluxe Inn now stands in its place.

loyalton Aug 28, 2014 12:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 6708186)
The seller of this photograph describes it as "1st & Vermont."

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/912/bPhrah.jpgebay

There's another one of those house-like boxes on a pole stand at the right. Did anyone ever tell us what this was? Looks like your-weight-and-fortune is available across the way, perfect for the streetcar rider or chophouse patron.



Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 6708186)
This photograph is described as "PW & Vermont 1955."

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/908/iAaUlD.jpgebay

I'm not sure what the seller means by PW.


PW is private way or private right-of-way, here exclusively for use of streetcars as well as late-night drunk drivers and pedestrians taking a shortcut. This one parallels W. 48th. I can't tell very well from Google Street View at Vermont where the right-of-way was, but if you follow 48th west back to Normandie and hit the cross streets, you can figure it out. It's well delineated where it passes along Vernon Square Park with a big gap between the houses and a line of telephone poles.

If anyone was wondering, this is the 9 line for LATL; Pacific Electric was largely gone except as bus service by this time. (correction per Wig-Wag -- thanks!)

HossC Aug 28, 2014 12:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 6708223)

...and something a little different.

1937
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/909/5QxBhJ.jpgebay

I wonder which bridge that is in the background? -from this angle it looks like it's crossing an open field.

What did we say about properly captioning pictures? :brickwall:

Handy if you want a picture of 1937, perhaps. ;)

You know I'm only joking, e_r. You're still finding great pictures on eBay. :)

CityBoyDoug Aug 28, 2014 12:55 AM

American LaFrance
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 6708223)
...and something a little different.

1937
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/909/5QxBhJ.jpgebay


I wonder which bridge that is in the background? -from this angle it looks like it's crossing an open field.

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American LaFrance Duplex pumper truck and their logo badge. This pumper is Art Deco gorgeous as were all of the American LaFrance fire apparatus trucks.

Founded in 1873 by Truckson LaFrance.


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...psdd488c0e.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...ps1ed81222.jpg
All photos: Crestfire.com

HossC Aug 28, 2014 1:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by loyalton (Post 6708311)

PW is private way or private right-of-way, here exclusively for use of streetcars as well as late-night drunks and pedestrians taking a shortcut. This one parallels W. 48th.

Thanks, loyalton. I assumed it was to do with where the streetcars went, but wasn't sure what PW stood for.

In some parts of the city these old streetcar rights-of-way can still be easily spotted on aerial views, but this one seems to have virtually disappeared. Maybe the diagonal ones have more of a legacy due to the oddly shaped buildings they leave behind. This particular right-of-way can clearly be seen running horizontally across this 1948 aerial, just above where I've marked Goodell's Furniture store at 4721 S Vermont.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...ermont1948.jpg
Historic Aerials

Today, there are still several alleyways running parallel to the horizontal streets, but the old streetcar right-of-way has been completely lost.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...ermont2014.jpg
Google Maps

Wig-Wag Aug 28, 2014 1:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HossC (Post 6707549)
:previous:



I completely agree about editing quotes that contain a large number of images, and it does use up more bandwidth (especially important to users on slow connections), but SkyscraperPage only hosts the text and the links to the images, not the images themselves. The bandwidth usage for the images is therefore passed on to the various image hosts.

I think some people might be put off editing quotes in case it goes wrong. I was thinking of putting together a little tutorial (does anyone want one?), but there are only a couple of simple rules to follow.

Please leave the start that says something like:

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...A/LAQuote1.jpg

and also the end bit that says:

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...A/LAQuote2.jpg

I've seen quite a few posts recently where the latter has been missing. If you leave both in place (or add them back afterwards - it's never too late), the little blue and white arrow will appear next to the original poster's name at the top of the quote. This arrow is a direct link back to the original post. It will look something like this:

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...A/LAQuote3.jpg

Then use the captions to work out which unnecessary images can be deleted from the quote. If you're unsure of how your edits will look, make use of the "Preview Post" button before you submit the new post. You can always re-edit or start again!

Thanks, HossC. Every little bit helps.

Cheers,
Jack

loyalton Aug 28, 2014 2:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 6708223)
...and something a little different.

Here's a cousin:
https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5591/...52006303_z.jpg Walt Jaeger collection
http://www.hemmings.com/hcc/stories/...feature15.html

The link tells much, much more, but the above engines were part of the same purchase. Engine Co. 27 is/was in Hollywood. The picture dates to about 1962 or earlier (link says 1960s) based on the orange license plates. e_r's engine from Company 3 is/was downtown, which fits that photo location. It must have been brand new and undergoing testing, since it doesn't have a "3" painted anywhere prominent. In spite of the vehicles' long lives, none were saved.

A noirish connection can be made to to their response to a November 1939 fire at the Gray Bldg. on Broadway where the engines did their job too well. Water-soaked paper rolls led to a floor collapse and killed two firefighters.

EDIT: As for quoting earlier posts, I have just found out you MUST enter the quote or something (a bunny?). Leaving a blank between the quote markers results in no reference/internal link being made.

FredH Aug 28, 2014 4:22 AM

1955 - Motorcyclist Wears Gas Mask To Beat Smog
 
http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p...ps70466ce7.jpg
L.A. Times

Times story is here:

http://framework.latimes.com/2014/08...ith-gas-masks/


I'm not sure how well you can see out of the damn thing, but it might beat an eye full of smog.

Anyone know where the photo was taken?

Wig-Wag Aug 28, 2014 4:36 AM

Transit System Message Box
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by loyalton (Post 6708311)
There's another one of those house-like boxes on a pole stand at the right. Did anyone ever tell us what this was? L

I believe the box was used by LARY/LATL/LAMTA Supervisors to leave change notices, instructions, extra timetables (found in the "Take ONE" boxes on the streetcar itself) and any other information or items that might be needed for an operator arriving at the end of a line. He would check the box on arrival.

This photo is was taken after the acquisition of Los Angeles Railway by National City Lines in 1945 as both the H-type car on the left and the PCC car on the right wear the NCL green and yellow "Fruit Salad" paint scheme. NCL operated the former LARY as Los Angeles Transit Lines (LATL).

Cheers,
Jack

Beaudry Aug 28, 2014 7:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 6708116)
I found this small snapshot the other night as well....


1963
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/674/LBbrPX.jpg

I'm not certain which house this is. -note the vacancy sign across the street. The seller says it is Bunker Hill.

Oh yeah, that's 336 S Bunker Hill Ave. Not very photographed, because it was across from the Salt Box, so everyone had their backs turned to it while snapping the Salt Box and Castle on the odd side of the street. Note the Alta Cresta in the bg, which fronted Bunker Hill Ave and Grand, and which you'll see identically in this 1962 image from Palmer Connor:

https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3880/...1ffc7d8d_b.jpghuntington

Also, up in your eBay pic, at lower right you'll note there's a service garage at 344/346 next door. That's a corner of the mechanics' shop built on the site of the Brunson as detailed here.

And yes, I've got a big fat bid in on this pic! :yes:

Tourmaline Aug 28, 2014 12:36 PM

Pasadena "Preventorium" for Boys. A camp for the malnourished.
http://cdm15123.contentdm.oclc.org/c...23coll2/id/437
http://collection.pasadenadigitalhis.../id/179/rec/23



1936 - 794 West Mariposa, Pasadena (Judging from the proximity of players and observers, this is a posed game of softball.)
http://cdm15123.contentdm.oclc.org/u...XT=&DMROTATE=0http://cdm15123.contentdm.oclc.org/u...XT=&DMROTATE=0
http://cdm15123.contentdm.oclc.org/u...XT=&DMROTATE=0http://cdm15123.contentdm.oclc.org/u...XT=&DMROTATE=0

HossC Aug 28, 2014 1:26 PM

I know I've only just posted this picture, but it pairs nicely with the next one, so I thought I'd post it again to save you all from having to flick back to the previous page :).

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...A/LAMoiso4.jpg
USC Digital Library

This is the view looking in the opposite direction down Spring Street at around the same time. I remembered this picture when I spotted the corner of a circular sign in the top left corner of the picture above. The whole sign can be seen in the picture below. It says "Crandall Aylsworth Company" in the center, with "Up To Date" and "Bargains" around the top and bottom. The sign appears to be on the end of the Schumacher Block where you'd have found Dr Schiffman, the dentist whose strange advert I posted last week (see here for a reminder).

The building on the left with the square spire is the Los Angeles National Bank Building (more below). Across First Street is the Wilson Block. The sign over the corner door says Western Union Telegraph. More obvious is the Hotel Nadeau on the other side of Spring Street.

NB. USC date this picture as 1900-1904, but LAPL have a darker version of the same picture with the top half of the circular sign painted out which they date at 1880. This date is too early given the information below about the Los Angeles National Bank Building. Under the word "Clothiers" in the center of the picture there's an advert for Luckenbach & Co, Jewelers at 141 S Spring. I can only find them in the CDs from 1900 to 1911, so the USC date looks more accurate.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...otelNadeau.jpg
USC Digital Library

LAPL has this clearer view of the building that housed the Western Union Telegraph which they date at 1920. This time the sign over the door says Hotel Wilson (the 1923 CD lists the Wilson Hotel at 102 S Spring).

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...ilsonHotel.jpg
LAPL

Here's a better view of the Los Angeles National Bank Building. The description says that there was a Masonic Temple located upstairs, and the Shriners had their first meeting hall here in 1888. LAPL has a similar picture which also adds that the building was completed in 1887. It was designed by Kysor & Morgan in the "Modern Gothic" style, includes a basement and cost $65,000 to build. The building materials were granite, iron and pressed brick. MacKay & Jones were contractors. It lasted less than 20 years!

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...nkBuilding.jpg
USC Digital Library

This 1906 picture shows the construction of the Equitable Savings Bank, the seven-story structure which replaced the Los Angeles National Bank building.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...leSavings1.jpg
LAPL

Here's the completed building housing the Security Trust and Savings Bank in 1927. I'm guessing that it had a facelift at some point because the picture above shows slightly arched windows on the second floor, and two-tone brickwork which is missing from the shot below. The building is just visible in the background of one of the LA Times bombing pictures I posted a couple of weeks ago in post #23075. Of course, this building didn't last much longer than its predecessor, and the site is now the corner of the park next to City Hall.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...leSavings2.jpg

LAPL


Some previous posts on the Wilson Block:

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=22017
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=22018
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=22019

pwrof3 Aug 28, 2014 7:05 PM

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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 5351971)
A postcard of the slightly sinister looking Villa Carlotta Apartments at 5959 Franklin Ave.

http://img534.imageshack.us/img534/8...tavintagel.jpg
ebay




The Villa Carlotta in 1926.

http://img835.imageshack.us/img835/3...ta1926at59.jpg
unknown


The Villa Carlotta in the 1940s

http://img819.imageshack.us/img819/8...tainthe194.jpg
lapl




The Villa Carlotta entrance; now overgrown with trees and shrubs.

http://img706.imageshack.us/img706/8...taentrance.jpg
usc




The Villa Carlotta today looking north on Tamarind Ave.

http://img829.imageshack.us/img829/5...taasseenfr.jpg
google street views




The Villa Carlotta on the right; looking south on Tamarind.

http://img846.imageshack.us/img846/6...talookings.jpg
google street view




Great old door of the Villa Carlotta.

http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/1...arlotta1ss.jpg
Steve Silberman


Mail boxes in the lobby of the Villa Carlotta.

http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/565...ttalobbyss.jpg
Steve Silberman

Villa Carlotta just sold. New owners plan to renovate into luxury apartments and long term rentals, geared towards those in the film industry needing a place to stay.

http://www.latimes.com/business/real...815-story.html


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