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MichaelRyerson Aug 26, 2014 8:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 6706147)
We've seen many images of The Plaza over the years on NLA. I think there's a possibility we haven't seen this one before.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/904/o11Vn4.jpg
ebay

I should know that impressive residence in the background....but I don't. :(
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postscript: Well the photograph isn't as rare as I first thought.
I just found a black and white version of this stereoview at http://waterandpower.org/museum/Earl...20(1800s).html
They name one of the buildings as the Cape House Restaurant, but i don't know if they mean the small building to the left of the Plaza Church
or the impressive building I mentioned earlier.

Yes, the impressive two-story building behind and to the left of the church is the Cape House Restaurant on New High Street. The smaller building to the left of the church wall is the Andres Pico adobe. This is very early, maybe around 1880, as Jacob Philippi has yet to build his saloon up on Fort Moore Hill. It would appear, in 1882, on the crest of the hill on a direct line with the north wall of the church building. This image appears in The Los Angeles Plaza (Estrada) on page 86. They have it dated ca.1881.

HossC Aug 26, 2014 9:01 PM

:previous:

Here's the original of the image that e_r found on waterandpower.org. LAPL date it as "early 1870's".

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...CapeHouse1.jpg
LAPL

I've enlarged the restaurant building - the words "Cape House Restaurant" can be seen on the sign.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...CapeHouse2.jpg
Detail of picture above.

ethereal_reality Aug 26, 2014 9:38 PM

:previous: oh that's really cool. -good eye

...and thanks finding this little art-deco survivor, Firestone Station #2
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800...911/mktMh3.jpg
GSV-originally posted by HossC

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ethereal_reality Aug 26, 2014 9:50 PM

Here's that Main Street cactus tree again, this time looking in the opposite direction!.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/631/V1MyYX.jpg
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-here's my post from a few days ago with the same cactus tree, & info on the Round House School.
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=23210

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Lwize Aug 26, 2014 9:51 PM

I have no problem with the occasional repost of older images. It's difficult to sift through 932 (!) pages to illustrate a point.

ethereal_reality Aug 26, 2014 10:11 PM

I agree Lwize. I think you read my post wrong. I was referring to two separate images of the same tree, one looking north...one looking south.

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ethereal_reality Aug 26, 2014 10:24 PM

HossC, I meant to thank you for the additional information you dug up about the nightclub Bal-Tabarin.

Here: http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=23241
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/661/EUvDQm.jpg
ebay


Here's another venue offering exotic ethnic entertainment, this one located downtown on Broadway.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...540/O6UEwY.jpg
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ethereal_reality Aug 26, 2014 10:30 PM

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/674/yleon0.jpg
http://www.badgehistory.com/images/temple1945lrg.jpg

Temple Station Deputies 1945
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HossC Aug 26, 2014 11:09 PM

I was hoping that USC might have a zoomable picture that included the Cape House Restaurant above the Plaza. I'm still looking for one from a similar angle to the LAPL picture, but I did find one which shows the rear of the restaurant - it's roughly in the center of the foreground. USC date this picture at circa 1876.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...APlaza1876.jpg
USC Digital Library

USC also have a drawing of virtually the same scene which claims to be from "about 1876". The caption says it's "From the Historical Collection of Title Insurance and Trust Company". Being a drawing, it actually seems to be sharper than the photo above, so I've used it for the close-up below. Does anyone know what the small raised structure is above the roofs at the rear of the restaurant? It looks like it could only be reached by a ladder

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...Plaza1876b.jpg
Detail of photo at USC Digital Library


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Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 6706468)

HossC, I meant to thank you for the additional information you dug up about the nightclub Bal-Tabarin.

No problem - I forgot to thank you for the great aerial shots of the Hall of Records (and many other posts) :).

ethereal_reality Aug 27, 2014 1:33 AM

I was hoping I could find out more information on the Cape House Restaurant, but I kept coming up with nothing.

-But I did find this:
In this article from the April 30, 1881 Daily Herald the Cape House is briefly referred to as Moiso's Mansion.
(I'm also curious about the windmill that's mentioned several times in the court proceedings)

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/674/146o5L.jpg
for the complete article about the Abarta trial go here http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lc...arRange&page=1


...I also found this earlier article of a real estate transaction from March 30, 1875.

-but I'm not sure if this is the same property as the Cape House. -refresh my memory...did Bellevue Terrace eventually become New High Street?
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/539/rBEWEE.jpg
http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lc...arRange&page=1

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MichaelRyerson Aug 27, 2014 2:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 6706691)
I was hoping I could find out more information on the Cape House Restaurant, but I kept coming up with nothing.

-But I did find this:
In this article from the April 30, 1881 Daily Herald the Cape House is briefly referred to as Moiso's Mansion.
(I'm also curious about the windmill that's mentioned several times in the court proceedings)

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/674/146o5L.jpg
for the complete article about the Abarta trial go here http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lc...arRange&page=1


...I also found this earlier article of a real estate transaction from March 30, 1875.

-but I'm not sure if this is the same property as the Cape House. -refresh my memory...did Bellevue Terrace eventually become New High Street?
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/539/rBEWEE.jpg
http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lc...arRange&page=1

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I believe Bellevue Terrace Tract is what's being referred to here. I don't remember Bellevue Terrace ever being a street. The Bellevue Terrace Hotel was on the NW corner of 6th and Figueroa ultimately supplanted by the Jonathan Club. The Bellevue Terrace Tract was north of 6th Street and stretched from Beaudry on the west to Olive on the east. It's northern boundary ran at an angle passing just north of the Normal School and ending just south of 4th and Olive. Block 101 of the Bellevue Terrace Tract would have been bounded by Olive, Charity (Grand), 6th and 5th Streets. The same block which would later host the Biltmore.

Retired_in_Texas Aug 27, 2014 2:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 6706479)

Wow, I guess those guys had a really low appreciation for a pavarazzi taking their picture. :)

pwrof3 Aug 27, 2014 3:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gsjansen (Post 5298346)
you moved the cemetery, but you left the bodies!!!!!!!! - craig t. nelson in poltergeist

http://jpg1.lapl.org/pics43/00041069.jpg
Source: LAPL

Arrow points to bones of pioneer California soldier unearthed as Hollywood Freeway excavation cuts into the old Fort Moore Hill Cemetery. Soldier had been buried in full uniform, including silver spurs. Several caskets have been exposed. Photo dated: April 2, 1951.

creepy.....................................

Wow. The shortsightedness of city council and government. No one respects, or even knows, history. Let's build a freeway where a cemetery used to be!
How disrespectful.

MartinTurnbull Aug 27, 2014 4:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HossC (Post 6704316)
I posted the Google search method which I use back in post #19611. What I forgot to say is that you can also click on the "Images" tab near the top of the page. The results will include many other images which were posted on the same page as the words you're searching for, but it has proved effective enough to stop me from making reposts on a number of occasions. PM me if you want more help.


Thanks for that. I do remember you posting that method but ironically when I went to search for it, I couldn't find it. I had "site:..." hadn't been putting "noirish" in my search term.

Wig-Wag Aug 27, 2014 3:29 PM

Multiple Photo postings in quoted discussions
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 6706420)
Here's that Main Street cactus tree again, this time looking in the opposite direction!.

-here's my post from a few days ago with the same cactus tree, & info on the Round House School.
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=23210

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ER, thanks for the link to the previous post. This touches on something I have been meaning to mention for a while - re-posts of multiple photos when discussing a given subject.

As most users are aware the site search function leaves a bit to be desired. HossC posted a workaround as noted above, in post #19611, but there is another issue. Long posts with multiple photos use up much more bandwidth than long posts comprised of mostly text with only one or two photos. I do not know who is paying for NLA but I would have to guess that the costs have to be adding up as re-posts of numerous previously posted photos contribute to a need for additional bandwidth .

Referencing the original post number while deleting the photo links of any photos not being discussed would save a great deal of bandwidth while proving a quick access to the photos on the original post.

Cheers,
Jack

HossC Aug 27, 2014 4:46 PM

:previous:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wig-Wag (Post 6707396)

Long posts with multiple photos use up much more bandwidth than long posts comprised of mostly text with only one or two photos. I do not know who is paying for NLA but I would have to guess that the costs have to be adding up as re-posts of numerous previously posted photos contribute to a need for additional bandwidth.

Referencing the original post number while deleting the photo links of any photos not being discussed would save a great deal of bandwidth while proving a quick access to the photos on the original post.

I completely agree about editing quotes that contain a large number of images, and it does use up more bandwidth (especially important to users on slow connections), but SkyscraperPage only hosts the text and the links to the images, not the images themselves. The bandwidth usage for the images is therefore passed on to the various image hosts.

I think some people might be put off editing quotes in case it goes wrong. I was thinking of putting together a little tutorial (does anyone want one?), but there are only a couple of simple rules to follow.

Please leave the start that says something like:

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...A/LAQuote1.jpg

and also the end bit that says:

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...A/LAQuote2.jpg

I've seen quite a few posts recently where the latter has been missing. If you leave both in place (or add them back afterwards - it's never too late), the little blue and white arrow will appear next to the original poster's name at the top of the quote. This arrow is a direct link back to the original post. It will look something like this:

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...A/LAQuote3.jpg

Then use the captions to work out which unnecessary images can be deleted from the quote. If you're unsure of how your edits will look, make use of the "Preview Post" button before you submit the new post. You can always re-edit or start again!

ethereal_reality Aug 27, 2014 6:37 PM

:previous: -good tutorial.

Here's LASD station #4, later Norwalk Station.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/908/RyPnv8.jpg
www.badgehistory.com

Looks like they were just using a house at this point in time.

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pwrof3 Aug 27, 2014 6:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gsjansen (Post 5332574)
During World War II the Army Corps of Engineers needed to hide the Lockheed Burbank Aircraft Plant to protect it from a possible Japanese air attack. They covered it with camouflage netting to make it look like a rural subdivision from the air.

Before

http://stories-etc.com/hid/image001.jpg

After

http://stories-etc.com/hid/image002.jpg

Setting up the camouflage netting

http://stories-etc.com/hid/image004.jpg

Above the netting

http://stories-etc.com/hid/image005.jpg

Below the netting

http://stories-etc.com/hid/image007.jpg

Source: Stories-ETC.Com

Can you imagine something like this happening today? There would be endless contract negotiations, the city would go with the lowest bidder, union contracts would be fought about, the job would get halfway done and then fall apart because the city went with the lowest bidder. By the time a competent company came in to finish the job the war would be over!

HossC Aug 27, 2014 6:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 6706691)

I was hoping I could find out more information on the Cape House Restaurant, but I kept coming up with nothing.

-But I did find this:
In this article from the April 30, 1881 Daily Herald the Cape House is briefly referred to as Moiso's Mansion.

The only reference I found to Cape House in the City Directories is the 1878 edition. It lists William Cape as proprietor (below). William Cape and Cape House actually get separate listings, and it took me a while to spot that the early CDs aren't alphabetical (other than being listed under the right letter). I also found residents at Cape House who were a barkeeper, an engineer, a carpenter, a moulder, a laborer, a blacksmith and a mechanic, although nowhere did I find any reference to Cape House being a restaurant. Incidentally, the 1875 CD lists William Cape as a plasterer residing in New High Street. William Cape and Cape House both disappear from the CDs after 1878.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...CapeHouse3.jpg
LAPL

When I searched the CDs for "Moiso", I found J Moiso & Co, a grocers at 112 Main, in the 1875 edition. By 1878, the store had moved to Spring near 1st with the owner living on 7th between Olive and Charity. It looks like 112 Main became a restaurant. Moving on to the 1881/82 CD, and there's a listing for James Moiso residing at 95 New High. Several other people are also listed as living at 95 New High, but the only mention of Moiso Mansion is as the residence of a builder, but no address is given.

Moiso Mansion first gets its own listing in the 1883/84 CD. It has James Moiso listed as proprietor, with several other residents also being included. The address has become more vague, simply being listed as New High bet[ween] Temple and Short.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...A/LAMoiso1.jpg
LAPL

The 1886/87 CD gives the address of Moiso Mansion as 217 New High, and that seems to be the final listing. I couldn't find any reference to Moiso in the 1894 CD, but the 1898 CD lists James Moiso living at 642 N Hill along with Frank, Lena and Lola Moiso. It also lists the Moiso Block at 126 N Spring. I guessing they're connected, but don't have any evidence.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...A/LAMoiso2.jpg
LAPL

Here's the Moiso Block, next to the Larronde Building, on the 1910 Baist map.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...A/LAMoiso3.jpg
www.historicmapworks.com

This is the only picture I've found so far that shows the Moiso Block. It's the third building from the right, and has a sign which I think says "Corona Blanca". The picture is titled "La Fiesta de Las Flores parade down Spring Street, looking north, 1903".

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...A/LAMoiso4.jpg
USC Digital Library

MichaelRyerson Aug 27, 2014 7:16 PM

One of my favorites.
 
https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3811/...28da5c17_o.pngThe Weavers, 1942

Internees make camouflage nets for the War Department at the Manzanar Relocation Center on July 1, 1942.

(NARA) wodumedia.com


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