Olive between 4th and 5th Streets, from on high...

https://s26.postimg.org/mnr35u9rt/Aero_Oliv1_L.jpg
odinthor collection, much enlarged detail of larger image

:previous: Thanks oldstuff.

Here's a photograph of Mrs. Kneen with a grown-up Katherine in front of the main house. [1930]

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/HLp48m.jpg
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A bit closer (I always do this. I just can't help it :))

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/3T0buv.jpg
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Do you suppose the Kneens had carrier pidgeons?

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...924/CLfuzA.jpg
:shrug:




at first I thought this might the camp rules, hours and cabin rates.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...922/xMRo5k.jpg

but on closer inspection it looks like eight photographic views (no doubt of Kneen's Kamp)

*it just dawned on me that I have seen a photo of this eight view 'collage'. I'll post it as soon as I find it.
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There was some BAD news as well.

The house I pointed out yesterday isn't the same house. :(

ethereal reality
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/5s4FMc.jpg
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"The original house was badly damaged in 1994 earthquake, and was razed and rebuilt by Jake Stehelin to resemble the original."



Here is the original house in 1991, three years before it was 'destroyed' in the earthquake.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/lQ3ktf.jpg
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Yesterday I mentioned that the pillar(s) looked thinner.....well now I know why!)


thanks for guiding me to these photos oldstuff. I appreciate it.

Police Academy 2 filming location
 

Hi, I'm really sorry, but I have another request for help identifying a filming location from a movie ... !

Here's a screengrab of Sweetchuck's shop ("Schewchuk Lighting") from the critically acclaimed police drama, Police Academy 2 (1985) which was mainly shot in DT LA:

https://i.imgur.com/4BmODJq.jpg

I can see a street sign for Wall Street in the background (many of the scenes were filmed around Wall St / Winston St) but after a quick 'virtual' stroll around the area with StreetView, I can't seem to pinpoint the exact location. Of course it's possible that all of the buildings in the shot have since been demolished. :shrug:

These were the structures that were visible immediately opposite the shop, behind Captain Mauser (yowza, yowza):

https://i.imgur.com/qhbfXZh.jpg


The shop MAY be close to this location, around Main:

https://i.imgur.com/PMWbTvU.jpg


Anyone? :???:

This was looking west from E 3rd towards Wall St:

https://i.imgur.com/ahZyU2I.jpg
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Please, there's no need to apologize! :)

The first photo looks west on East 3rd toward Wall Street (thanks for IDing the street sign). Fortunately,
the three-story building in the background still has that toothpaste-green color.

I think this was looking east on 4th Street just before Main. Couldn't get the googlemobile in the right place to duplicate your view.

https://i.imgur.com/iP2cIJk.jpg
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Well, this is interesting, because the Zamboni HQ (where the resurfacers are built) is only a few blocks from my home.

Are we neighbors? Have we met?

(Also, I was a figure skater for a long time, and skated at Paramount Iceland. I still skate.)
https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4648/...e7946d69_m.jpg
Untitled by Kimberly, on Flickr

A point of order
 

That is a fascinating link, and I learned a great deal from it. Nevertheless, the nearly universal definition of "Protestant" is different from the historically-accurate one used at that link.

Dictionary.com defines "Protestant" as "any Western Christian who is not an adherent of a Catholic, Anglican, or Eastern Church." I submit that this is the common understanding of the term with most people.

Put in a way that Christians would view the matter, any religion that does not believe in transubstantiation is a Protestant religion. Baptists do not believe in transubstantiation; therefore, by this definition they are Protestant.

It may be an over-simplified, binary way of looking at the situation, but it is the operative one.

But as for me, I will never think of Baptists as Protestants again.

I have skated at Paramount Iceland one time...many decades ago. I'm sorry I didn't keep up my skating. I don't even have my 3 pairs of ice skates. Time moves on.....:shrug:

http://www.paramounticeland.net/wp-c.../02/Public.jpghttps://myhero.com/images/guest/g269...5183/photo.JPG
http://www.paramounticeland.net/wp-c.../02/Public.jpg

The first Zamboni was made on a WW II Jeep chassis. Zamboni is the name of the man who invented it in the 1940s.

This Paramount Iceland Lomara and CBD?

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/FwD7Mb.jpg
zamboni

lol. Some rabble-rouser was having a helluva good time cutting kitties in the parking lot.

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update:

On second thought, maybe those are zamboni tracks. :shrug:

Aren't Anglicans/Episcopalians also Protestant?

I actually found that link/website quite scary, and very anti-Catholic.

Regarding the article defining Baptists, I also noticed that it (like other Evangelical Christian groups do) seems to not acknowledge the existence of Eastern Orthodox Christianity.

Jehovah's Witnesses and Mormons also do not consider themselves to be Protestant. But the way I see it, I think they are offshoots of what was going on in American Protestantism at the time they were created.

I don't want to sound all sectarian (I was raised Catholic but am actually a Buddhist/Atheist now), but I was just giving my 2 cents.

Here's another photograph with some background information.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/xq90/923/xEYuSd.jpg


"Iceland opened in 1940 as one of the largest rinks in the country, with 20,000 sq. ft. of iced surface — that’s enough room for 800 skaters.
The original rink was an open-air facility. But the brothers soon learned that, with the intense Southern California sun and dry desert winds,
the quality of the ice sheet was less than adequate, so it covered it with a domed roof." zamboni


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since we're on the subject..

who can forget this frightening photograph- (the photographer, a non-member, had to be blindfolded before and after the photograph was taken)

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/2SG26R.jpg
ebay / previously posted here.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...923/l4LUS3.png

I don't remember if we ever figured out where this hall was located. (at the time I thought it might be Long Beach) -I'll recheck the old follow-ups


tovanger2 informed us the KKK offices were in the Haas Building downtown.

Cheers Flyingwedge, Lorendoc - you made light work of that one! I'm charmed to know that [what was] Sweetchuck's little chandelier shop hasn't been completely totaled! (and wow, look at how many Vape stores are off that block now!!).

Yep, I've just checked the architectural detail on both buildings (the 'Farmers and Merchants National Bank' and 'Eddies & Carl's' Market in the background) and they 100% match - so I even get a second location identified as a bonus. W00t!

Thanks both! I'll have to try and pick some more challenging locations for you to sleuth next time!

Paramount Iceland
 

The one and the same.

A mini-golf area was put in that parking lot area where the donuts are . It is no longer open, but I think the remnants are still there. When I was a kid, we went out there in our skates (with skate guards on), and walked around in it.

My work schedule allows me to partake in a public skate session weekly, so that's what I've been doing lately. On Tuesday nights an organist sits in the loft and plays show tunes and some other random stuff on "the mighty Wurlitzer".

ALL SKATE, ALL SKATE.

Back when I first started skating, as a child in the 70's, Dad would come skate with me. He told me he skated here when the rink was new.

ETA: For a long time, it was the only Olympic sized (200' x 100') rink in the state, if not the whole West coast. NHL ice is 200' x 85'. Frank Zamboni also patented the refrigeration design that eliminated the ripples in the ice that happened in other ice rinks of the time. Other rinks still had the ripple patterns in the ice back when I was still competing. As rinks have closed, and new ones have been built, I don't see the ripple patterns anymore.

How it looks today:
https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4695/...99898598_b.jpg
Paramount Iceland by Kimberly, on Flickr

I just joined this forum to correct my earlier comments that were researched for these Ken Clark Pontiac photos. I am John C. Clark, youngest son of the deceased Kenneth DeLoss Clark, car dealer.

Having reviewed these photos, I recall that Dad started at the Jefferson Boulevard Address on a corner street that you have located in your excellent aerial photo research (Ken Clark Pontiac).

He then moved to 3740 Crenshaw Blvd. and had a grand opening with noted radio broadcaster Bob McLaughlin at the scene (I have a photo somewhere with him and me, a youngster, at his microphone). It was briefly televised, as well. My father was quite the promoter.

Dad's FINAL dealership was 4242 Crenshaw Blvd., at the corner of Crenshaw & Coliseum. Dad designed the iconic Indian Head sign that still stands at that site, obviously based upon the Pontiac emblem used at that time. At that grand opening, Dad brought in movie and TV cowboy Doye O'Dell (I have some old photos posing with him) and it was televised on local LA TV as I recall - there were big cameras there. Then I had the privilege of offering a kiddie's electric car as a raffle prize for folks dropping in as shown on local TV - "Cartoon Carousel with Skipper Frank."

Without getting into negative arenas, certain business dealings among some car dealers occurred in L.A. that turned a great enterprise into a "rat race" (per Dad's words). Dad was known as an honest dealer and did not want to be associated with the prevailing negative image; was in fact was written up in the L.A. Times as "one of the last of the honest dealers" leaving the business by a popular columnist of the day. Dad moved our family to the foothills of Yosemite, changing his career to become a successful realtor in the mountain area.

The owner taking over Dad's family dealership used the name "Majestic Pontiac."

I found this thread by Googling Dad's name, again. Thank you for the memories!

You're right, of course! Is my face red. Proving again I shouldn't attempt thought before noon. And check it out, there's the Clark/Center Garage up the street across 4th, with the Wales Apts behind it—
http://www.latimes.com/resizer/vqKwh...K35UWJ2CBM.jpg

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4723/...351ee798_z.jpgucla

And heck, that's not even the back of the Black, it's the front (and the north side), I shoulda recognized that in a heartbeat.
https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4658/...99bd8554_z.jpglapl

And OT, this
https://s26.postimg.org/mnr35u9rt/Aero_Oliv1_L.jpg
is a really interesting image as it seems the Wright & Callender is there, and the Black Bldg isn't, dating it right between Austin & Brown's building of 1908 and Edelman & Barnett's building of 1911.

As for the religious website I linked, I was (clumsily) trying to connote that your average Klansman (and since I don't know any, had to content myself with some webpage) wouldn't consider a Baptist church worthy of setting foot into, and thus I raised an eyebrow at Times' attribution. Of course, I also said this location wasn't Olive near Fifth, so what the hell do I know!

Yep, that's Iceland. In the 1980s I took my mom there....they let watch the skaters for free. The place is a real institution in my city...but its also low-key.

Sometimes you can see a Zamboni Machine at the local McDonald's Drive-thru.....:D I guess its a 'test drive'.
Zamboni
Product name: Ice Resurfacing Machine
Frank Zamboni’s creation and company that bare his name are the most famous of ice resurfacing machines in the world. The name is now like bandaid and kleenex...its generic...

I love the look of the unadorned concrete of the peristyle; I wish they had kept it that way.

Does anyone know when they added the travertine?

Kneen's Kamp
 

maybe Neen's ? ( if the K is silent, like in 'know')





I found the image of eight views that I told you about last night.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/haUoId.jpghttps://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...922/xMRo5k.jpg

ucla digital archive



Although it's difficult to tell for sure; I don't think they match the images in the frame.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/urOJhR.jpg
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